AT community,
I'd like to get myself in the game to fish Black Cod at roughly 1800 ish feet deep. I fished this last year with a friend running a 100 hook subsistence set which was a ton of fun. Got a dozen black cod and even landed a few 100lbs Halibut at those depths but of course set them free as you cant keep bycatch. Those butts are tough, they swam right back down after pulling them up from those depths, incredible.
So as crazy as this sounds I'm thinking of trying to do this with a high line speed/ratio 2 speed reel. The black cod im not worried about needing a super powerful reel for but it is possible to hook into a bomber halibut with 1800ish feet out so I will need the reel to have some guts to handle big butt. Also the higher the retrieve speed the better. Also, I am thinking if I go with a nicer reel It can serve dual purpose too as I plan to do some down south trips at some point for real game fish, CA, Mexico, Hawaii, etc..
Is this ridiculous to think I fish these kinds of depths without power? Do I realistically need to go electric?
Any feedback would be much appreciated, reel recommendations too!
Thanks,
Trev
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Folks in S. Florida sometimes fish in those depths with manual reels for Swordfish but it won't be easy. Depending on your local currents and the amount of weight needed to reach bottom the effort to retrieve your line can be enormous, even without fish on. A reel crankie on a powerful cordless drill or Electramate Turnamate will be a great help. I use electric for anything over 400' as we have lot's of current (3-5 knots) due to the Gulf Stream current.
Let us know how it works out for you.
Scott
Trevor, the higher the gear ratio the harder it is going to be the crank up heavy loads. You might be better off running set line gear instead of rod and reel.
I wouldn't touch it without and electric reel or electric drive. At the minimum a Reel Crankie and a Shimano 2 speed reel.
Quote from: handi2 on March 15, 2018, 08:06:38 PM
I wouldn't touch it without and electric reel or electric drive. At the minimum a Reel Crankie and a Shimano 2 speed reel.
Man I didn't know that the Crankie existed, I had to look it up! I'm thinking just a run of the mill 6/0 or 9/0 will do the trick with a crankie and a drill?
Thanks everyone for the responses!
Trev
One of my favorites to eat, nothing better. I've fished 1200' with a 9/0 and Dacron when I was young and two drops and I was worn out. I'd look into electric for sure
There's a few guys here fishing them but with commercial gear. I think they fish deeper than 1800
You can make one of your old 12v or 14v cordless drills run off of the boats 12v. Solder the leads where the battery would connect and add clips for a 12v battery. That's what we do on one of our Swordfish reels.
I'm curious how those crankies hold up continuous use?
Anyone use one often? Any thoughts?
Sure appreciate all the replies
Quote from: handi2 on March 15, 2018, 10:04:12 PM
You can make one of your old 12v or 14v cordless drills run off of the boats 12v. Solder the leads where the battery would connect and add clips for a 12v battery. That's what we do on one of our Swordfish reels.
Keith, I am curious as to how one would attach the drill to the reel? Dominick
The drill chuck attaches to the Reel Crankie or however its spelled. The Reel Crankie is rubber mounted to the reel. The handle stays attached. We use it when checking the swordfish bait. Our main Swordfish reel is a Krystal electric.
Ah! I see. I went on YouTube and saw a video of it. Thanks. Dominick
Although we have never boated a Swordfish we have lost a few. We fish in 3000' of water at night. I dont go on those long trips anymore. My son and his crew still go. As I see it we would have to catch $1,000.00 worth just to break even :D
I think I would be tempted to hand line them off a long line and an electric downrigger.
Probably a Talica 50. Holds around 3000ft of 80lb, nice and light, relatively fast retrieve with a decent low gear. People use them here for daytime dropping for swords in similar depths.
To be honest if I was just meat-fishing in those depths though, I'd get an electric reel every day of the week.
I've fished with some New England cod fisherman on south Florida deep drop trips. They were fond of the accurate bx2- 30. It seems to be the right combination of size and power. The boats they fished on didn't allow electric reels if I remember correctly.
Hand cranking is fine along as your not fishing next to people using electric reels. The slower retrieve rate of the hand crank causes your fish to come up at a different angle than the electric reel. This results in tangles on almost every fish .
If it was me I would use a electric. The diawa tanacom 1000 is a dependable reel at a reasonable price. The fish winch is also a good motor at a better price but not as user friendly.The hand crankie is made for retrieving your line only. It's not recommended for fighting a fish. I bought one for my International 50 w but was disappointed with the way it fit the reel. It was a hassle to hook up.
Deep water fish sure are tasty. I wouldn't mind cranking up a fish from 1800 feet. Reeling up a large weight and empty hooks from that depth would make me question my sanity. Joe
hi friends, could you help me figure out which fishing reel has less problems using this drill accessory? where can I buy a reel crankie, it seems to have disappeared from all the fishing shops.
Quote from: MexicanGulf on January 16, 2022, 07:16:45 PM
hi friends, could you help me figure out which fishing reel has less problems using this drill accessory? where can I buy a reel crankie, it seems to have disappeared from all the fishing shops.
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It looks like they still have them at Melton International:
https://www.meltontackle.com/reel-crankies.html
unfortunately it is not for sale or not available.
Looks like a home made universal socket out of my tool box.
Don't see why one could;t whip one up in a little while using a Snap On universal joint or socket for a lot less than 234 bux.
Sumpin to do in spare time
I would use either a Daiwa Tanacom Bull 1000Fe or Marine Power MP3000.
I would like to do daytime swordfishing with a conventional reel! I would like to understand which reel offers good mechanics not to give many problems with the drill system ... and I would like to understand where I can buy an accessory that allows me to connect the drill to the fishing reel.
Here is one of the Reels LIKEthe poster above you suggests and a video of it
CLICK HERE (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjerPKk-rj1AhX5kGoFHddGDZ8QwqsBegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFPRmsJoPTqo&usg=AOvVaw2GhZSM1vzdS0VODayvF19s)
As far as buying and apparatus to hook up to a Drill Motor I can not find any .
Quote from: MexicanGulf on January 17, 2022, 12:53:19 PM
I would like to do daytime swordfishing with a conventional reel! I would like to understand which reel offers good mechanics not to give many problems with the drill system ... and I would like to understand where I can buy an accessory that allows me to connect the drill to the fishing reel.
The electric reels mentioned won't hold up long term swordfishing. Yes you can land one but they really aren't made for it. Look for Penn Internationals 70s or 80s or Tiagra 80's and get the correct reel crankie for it. The link for custom rod and gun in lighthouse point fl that I sent you was down. Google reel crankie and give Tom a direct call. If you are serious about swordfishing and have the $$ go ahead and get a LP1200.
just from the description, i would absolutely go with a daiwa tanacom 1000 electric. you would be looking at 900 yards of 65 pound braid. i'm guessing that would be 700 yards of 80 pound braid.
from what you say about deep water swords, i would definitely go with a downrigger, but i would defer to someone that has actually done this kind of fishing, not someone like me that is just guessing. :-\
The minimum reel, I would us is a Diawa 1000 electric, maybe 16 strand braid from fishing corner, 110 Lbs @ diameter 0.040, would give you enough line.
Sorry Alan, if your going to use a rig with 2 or 3 sets of hooks on it I dout if 65 Lbs would be strong enough, cheers Don.
first of all thank you friends for being interested in my requests. I intend to drop my lures to about 1600 feet using only a conventional fishing reel. My choice should fall on one of the following models:
Avet Ex 30; Shimano Talica 50; Okuma Makaira 30; Penn 30 Vsx.
I would like to understand mechanically which of these fishing reels is the most robust. I am aware of the problem of working with a drill ... the vibrations and the excessive effort logarano the reel. another primordial aspect of mine is to find an accessory that allows me to connect the drill to the reel, such as a REEL CRANKIE or SPEEDY CRANK ... on the market they seem to have disappeared.
Quote from: Donnyboat on January 17, 2022, 06:48:01 PM
I doubt if 65 Lbs would be strong enough, cheers Don.
absolutely agreed! i would definitely go with 80 pound braid.
i have two sore rotator cuffs. both shoulders would fail if i had to crank 1600 feet!!!! ;D
it is a fascinating fishing that pays off all the efforts. There is the drill system to avoid getting tired. mechanically which fishing reel do you recommend? the best mechanics?