I was admiring Irish Jiggers modification of the Penn Jigmaster 500, adding it to the "Double Dog Family".
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=5966.0
I was very interested in his:
Stainless steel dogs in 'alternating' mode to reduce handle/gear backlash.
(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg564/Kencraft206/Jigmaster%20alternating%20dogs_zpscutcwqn8.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/Kencraft206/media/Jigmaster%20alternating%20dogs_zpscutcwqn8.jpg.html)
I would love to have less backlash on my Newell S220 reels. In Alan's photo, there looks like there's room:
(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg564/Kencraft206/Tani%20220-5_zps77fzsovg.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/Kencraft206/media/Tani%20220-5_zps77fzsovg.jpg.html)
Has anyone tried this ? I know that some of the larger Newell reels come with 2 dogs. Would I need a friend with a machine shop?
Thanks - John
Cortez conversion is working on it now.
(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah30/mwhelm/fishing%20reel/FrankenNewell%20322/2015%20Newell%20322%20009_zpsjr8hgzre.jpg) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/mwhelm/media/fishing%20reel/FrankenNewell%20322/2015%20Newell%20322%20009_zpsjr8hgzre.jpg.html)
Here's one that I did but it's very crude and too complex. I did it just too see if I could (actually I blame Sal for my double-dog madness). I had to do a couple of mods to the sideplate and the plastic is very thin in those areas. I would wait for Tom before doing another.
-Mike
You can take a lot of the back lash out by changing out your gear sleeve to a ten tooth. The one pictured is an eight tooth gear sleeve. You would also have to change out the pawl (dog).
Quote from: reel man on January 29, 2017, 10:28:39 AM
You can take a lot of the back lash out by changing out your gear sleeve to a ten tooth. The one pictured is an eight tooth gear sleeve. You would also have to change out the pawl (dog).
Is a ten tooth gear sleeve and pawl available somewhere?
I have a few Newell dogs.
Here is a link to the sleeve you asked about.
https://www.cortezconversions.com/product-page/9cde24f6-50dc-f0b3-7528-89689aebf8c7
Quote from: tinboat on January 29, 2017, 05:19:05 PM
Quote from: reel man on January 29, 2017, 10:28:39 AM
You can take a lot of the back lash out by changing out your gear sleeve to a ten tooth. The one pictured is an eight tooth gear sleeve. You would also have to change out the pawl (dog).
Is a ten tooth gear sleeve and pawl available somewhere?
https://www.cortezconversions.com/product-page/9cde24f6-50dc-f0b3-7528-89689aebf8c7
Thanks for the link.
Can someone comment on the change, is it a big improvement?
Regards - John
Yes it is a very nice improvement when you go to 10 teeth. The dog on the 8 tooth is made different so you have to change the AR dog when you go to a 10 tooth sprocket. Very easy to do and Tom has made the dogs for the 10 tooth. Keta originally built me some of those dogs and he still has some he wants to part with.
I have a no letter 440 with 2 AR dogs that has a fair amount of backplay. So i'm thinking this might help. Will this sleeve work in this reel? Thanks Sheridan
Your 440 already has the 10 tooth. You'll have a very small amount of slop, but nothing like the old 8 tooth. The reels with no back play usually have an anti reverse roller bearing, but these provide very little stopping power.
Quote from: Swami805 on January 29, 2017, 11:59:24 PM
I have a no letter 440 with 2 AR dogs that has a fair amount of backplay. So i'm thinking this might help. Will this sleeve work in this reel? Thanks Sheridan
Would 1 longer dog engaging offset from the stock one reduce this? I have Penn blank dogs I can hand form if you give me a length.
Quote from: Newell Nut on January 29, 2017, 08:51:18 PM
Yes it is a very nice improvement when you go to 10 teeth. The dog on the 8 tooth is made different so you have to change the AR dog when you go to a 10 tooth sprocket. Very easy to do and Tom has made the dogs for the 10 tooth. Keta originally built me some of those dogs and he still has some he wants to part with.
I ordered the 10 tooth sleeve from Cortez and Keta's helping with the dog. Thanks Keta. I saw the Newell clicker kit so I'll give it a try too.
Thanks for all of the help - John
I was talking to Chad about doing a couple 400 bridges using a no letter 440 bridge as a template. Was wondering if tapping a hole and threading a piece of SS rod for the post would be strong enough or would tapping a hole to accept an SS screw and milling the threads down to create the post be better. Seems to me that the screw would add more "meat" into the threads of the bridge and would be stronger but due to the thickness of the bridge there's not many threads to get a bite.
It seems like a relatively simple modification but maybe I'm missing something.
Any advice?
Thanks Sheridan
Sheridan,
I've been looking at double dog posts and have a few ideas. Bring a couple bridges next time we meet for lunch. My turn to buy ;)
It is doable and good luck. I have not tried it since most of my reels are 500s. I do have a factory 338 double dog that sure is sweet.
Dwight
Quote from: Swami805 on March 23, 2018, 02:04:02 AM
I was talking to Chad about doing a couple 400 bridges using a no letter 440 bridge as a template. Was wondering if tapping a hole and threading a piece of SS rod for the post would be strong enough or would tapping a hole to accept an SS screw and milling the threads down to create the post be better. Seems to me that the screw would add more "meat" into the threads of the bridge and would be stronger but due to the thickness of the bridge there's not many threads to get a bite.
It seems like a relatively simple modification but maybe I'm missing something.
Any advice?
Thanks Sheridan
If you are concerned about the strength of your second post think about it this way. Positioned properly as Newell did both dogs engage at the same time. So what happens is this: the load that used to be applied to one dog is now cut in half with the second dog sharing the load. Like curling a 40 lb dumbbell with one hand and then trying it with two hands. It is a lot easier.
Dwight
Thanks Dwight,makes sense. What model 338 came with 2 by the way?