yup. you read that right. the guy that made the gear sleeves for me made 100 of the large 114-115 gear sleeves with a left handed base. these gear sleeves have a left handed base but a right handed thread for the star. for any of you guys that own left handed 6/0's or 9/0's, is this the way your reel is set up stock, or do you have a true left handed star?
I just sold Dom a late 50's lefty 9/0 so he could likely answer your question.
I know for sure on a standard 209 the star will not work on the LH model. It has to be reverse threads. Not sure on senators. Your sleeves with regular threads will still work on a lefty if that's the case, just need to have a star off a right hand reel.
Send me one Boss, I'll let you know for sure if its going to work on a righty.
Alan,
I have a leftie 9/0 in my collection, and to tighten the drag you have to wind the star back towards you.
So if you are looking at the star face on you are turning it clockwise to tighten.
Hope this helps.
Mike.
OMG, I would imagine that if the base teeth is cut out for a lefty and the star thread is cut out for a righty, then if its installed in a left handed reel's sideplate, the only way the drag will be tightened is to turn the star backwards and to loosen the drag you have to turn the star forward. :-\ Technically, it can work, but it will be a little odd and against nature. :-\
Possible solution:
Is there enough meat on the sleeve to allow for the shaving off the incorrect star threads and re-cutting the star threads in the correct left handed configuration? If there is, then a star can be made with a smaller inside diameter to accomodate the corrected star thread on the shaft. Just putting my thoughts out there....
I think we need to order a left- handed start from Penn Parts to be sure if the stars are indeed right or left handed threads.
Better check with a new penn part, maybe a star and a sleeve for a left-handed reel. Otherwise reconfiguring the dogs on a right hand plate could give you a very solid anti-forward dog set up.
In either case you are going to have trouble finding a buyer for all of these sleeves.
Read this from Scott's regarding conversion of right to left handed reels..
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Technical/115LConvertingLH.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Technical/115LConvertingLH.aspx)
According to them, you need:
- a gear sleeve
-a head plate
-a main gear
-a pinion gear
"NOTES: The 10-114 star is universal to either left-hand or standard use. The handle side plate 1-115 is NOT convertible to either standard or left hand."
Cost is about $92.60 + gear sleeve + shipping
Maybe Scott's would be interested in carrying your sleeves as part of the conversion kit?
O..I see standard left hand gear sleeves are on backorder, and he AlanTani Sleeves are already listed:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-114AT-LH.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-114AT-LH.aspx)
Listed at $36 for both the 6 and 9/0 so 9/0 total conversion parts cost is about $128.60.
Looks like the good news is that your sleeves should be direct replacements for left hand reel sleeves, and that Scott's is going to sell them for you. Bad news is..it could take a while. At least they work in both the 6 and 9/0 left hand reels.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
It sounds to me like lefty loose-y Righty tight-y hasn't changed. Am I missing something? Dominick
Quote from: alantani on February 02, 2015, 02:39:40 AM
...made 100 of the large 114-115 gear sleeves with a left handed base. these gear sleeves have a left handed base but a right handed thread for the star....
Perhaps all is not lost? You COULD maybe just poke them back in the mill and mill away the slope part of each tooth, leaving sort of a spline tooth profile. They'd still work more-or-less just the same. And you could re-market them as Alan Tani's Special Ambidextrous Sleeves instead.
See, there ya go. Problem solved; no worries. Really, i've sometimes wondered why they weren't like that to begin with.
.
Your machinist might be right, Scott's doesn't have a left handed star for their left hand sleeves.
The stars have the same part number for the LH reel or standard.
Taking what Mike said, about turning the star towards you, confirms it. I don't believe a left handed star exists.
Quote from: Robert Janssen on February 11, 2015, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: alantani on February 02, 2015, 02:39:40 AM
...made 100 of the large 114-115 gear sleeves with a left handed base. these gear sleeves have a left handed base but a right handed thread for the star....
Perhaps all is not lost? You COULD maybe just poke them back in the mill and mill away the slope part of each tooth, leaving sort of a spline tooth profile. They'd still work more-or-less just the same. And you could re-market them as Alan Tani's Special Ambidextrous Sleeves instead.
See, there ya go. Problem solved; no worries. Really, i've sometimes wondered why they weren't like that to begin with.
.
Something like this?
This is based on the 98-60 sleeve. There might not be enough steel in the splines to give it enough strength, but the 98-114 sleeve has larger diameter and thus the "splines" will be wider, and probably strong enough.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 11, 2015, 11:44:10 PM
Your machinist might be right, Scott's doesn't have a left handed star for their left hand sleeves.
The stars have the same part number for the LH reel or standard.
Taking what Mike said, about turning the star towards you, confirms it. I don't believe a left handed star exists.
I can see that its true, the star might have a one directional spiral that can be flipped over to accomodate a lefty and righty gearsleeve. However, the directional spiral engraved on the gearsleeve must be a certain way for the lefty and the other direction for the righty....I think ??? I'm getting dizzy just thinking about it. :P
Sorry for not responding sooner but I didn't catch this thread... the star gets wound backwards.
As Sal, said, I don't think a lefty senator star exists. That would be a cool find, though.
Alan, If you want to hang onto one or two of those lefty sleeves for me that would be cool... If you can't then no worries.
No, Ted, its not going in that sweet 50's lefty ...I have 2 lefty 114h's that would be very happy with some SS in their guts.
Thanks
Dom
I have a lefty Newell 220 and it's basically a right hand model flipped over. The lever is towards the front of the reel, the star spins backwards and is a bit un-natural. You get used to it, but it is definitely weird! I wish a modern company would release a left hand non-levelwind star drag reel!!!!
I have been chosen to test these sleeves.
Alan had them recut just like Trond's idea.
An Idea that actually came to be.
I think they will be fine. They work as intended thus far.
I could have just put one of these sleeves in an existing reel, but I chose to do a new build on a Super Six Frame from Randy Pauly.
I went with a Hex Drag with Alan Chui's gears.
These are outdated now, but still very powerful in this application
I don't have an ss dog or ss yoke at his time, but both are on the way.
It feels smooth as butta.
I have it on a rod and spooled with 80lb mono, but its dark now. I will continue my testing tomorrow.
Randy told me the super six was the same width as the WEX. It is on the outside. The Wex frame is 3/8" wider on the inside.
3 1/2" verses 3 7/8".
Very good! give it hell Daron. I also believe the ratchet will do just fine, the only speculation I have is that the tip of the teeth will eventually get rounded a little and that's a good thing.
This will not happen during your test, it should take a while.
Thanks for your hard work, I'm sure it will be appreciated by all.
Sal
First test was a 20lb ammo can. I picked it up several times, to put pressure on different areas of the ratchet. Its did fine.
I then hooked it to the riding mower and made a few pulls to heat the sleeve and drags up. No issues.
I have five more of these sleeves and won't hesitate to use them.
I was really impressed with this blank. It is a Penn Mariner stand up 30-80. I thought it would have bent more.
I wanted to add more weight, but afraid it would snap.
Daron, we need to get you one of these simulators for your testing.
https://youtu.be/tUdaHjUuZh8
Pretty Neat. I need to head South and live it.