Reel Repair by Alan Tani

We have begun developing side plates for Newell reels and one thing that we discovered, confirming Newell Nut's findings, that the Tiburon frame screw holes do not exactly match up with the Newell side plates.  The question is would you rather have side plates that match up with a Tiburon Frame or a Newell Frame?  A part of me says Newell frame, but another part says Tiburon Frame, and am seeking your advise/direction.

Note that we are starting with 300 series sized reel as it is the most popular size Newell in their entire line up.  To be followed by other sizes.

My initial answer is "Yes".   :o)

But if I can't have both, I guess I would rather have them line up with Tiburon so we can have more color variety..  my 2 cents.

In my way of thinking the answer is fairly obvious. . What would the pourpouse of aluminum side plates be for? I would assume to add strength to the body of a Newell reel. Strong side plates mounted on a frame or structure that is prone to flex under stress would void out the original pourpouse of the side plates. Therefore I think if someone wanted a "Super Newell" per say you would want the alumin plates mounted on a tib frame. Assuming the aluminum side plates are heavier than the originals that is.

They should line up with the Tib frame.

Quote from: Bryan Young on February 03, 2016, 08:43:30 PM
We have begun developing side plates for Newell reels and one thing that we discovered, confirming Newell Nut's findings, that the Tiburon frame screw holes do not exactly match up with the Newell side plates.  The question is would you rather have side plates that match up with a Tiburon Frame or a Newell Frame?  A part of me says Newell frame, but another part says Tiburon Frame, and am seeking your advise/direction.

Note that we are starting with 300 series sized reel as it is the most popular size Newell in their entire line up.  To be followed by other sizes.

Which reels does this apply too?

My S229-5 lines up perfectly with the Tiburon 229.

steve

Something else you might want to keep in mind. The old Blackie and P series sideplate had room for the top hat drag spacer. The newer P series, S an C series do not. I'm hoping your are modeling your aluminum plates after the older reels for the extra clearance.

I would vote for Tiburon Frames.  **Disclaimer** I don't own any Newell products, yet... 8)

I would vote for the tib frame.  This way I can have a logical reason to spend more money on all my Tibed Newells.   :D

I'm very interested in where this is going. Bryan, can you be more specific about which sideplates do not fit Tib frames? I've used Tib frames on 300 series sideplates with only vey slight deviations in the tolerances of the holes in the stainless rings which fit after a small amount of filing with a needle file. The plastic sideplates fit fine but the ring holes needed to be opened up a smidge. I've always loved the lightweight handling and castability of the Newells but if I were to add aluminum sideplates I would like them to fit Tib frames. Either way I would be interested in this project.

I went to Newell because they are lite weight & easy to work on. If you like a heavy reel stick with Penn. Everything you add to Newell makes them heavier even Aluminum side plates or frames. I'm not saying that I haven't done this. I have a 229 forgot which model with a Tib. Frame that I did years ago because the Cross Bars were NG. Never fished it yet. I'm getting older & lazy now so lite weight rules.

Quote from: swill88 on February 03, 2016, 10:18:36 PM

Quote from: Bryan Young on February 03, 2016, 08:43:30 PM
We have begun developing side plates for Newell reels and one thing that we discovered, confirming Newell Nut's findings, that the Tiburon frame screw holes do not exactly match up with the Newell side plates.  The question is would you rather have side plates that match up with a Tiburon Frame or a Newell Frame?  A part of me says Newell frame, but another part says Tiburon Frame, and am seeking your advise/direction.

Note that we are starting with 300 series sized reel as it is the most popular size Newell in their entire line up.  To be followed by other sizes.

Which reels does this apply too?

My S229-5 lines up perfectly with the Tiburon 229.

steve

Steve, PacRat answered above.

The initial run will be black.  This will determine if we will do subsequent runs in different sizes and colors.

The modeling is based on 3 different side plates from different years to ensure we have a product that will fit all needs. 

We are also looking at different support bracings in the side plate more suitable for aluminum with the goal that the side plates will be equivalent in weight as the stock side plates with the SS rings.

Yes we have lofty goals, but the benefit of a Newell is lightweight, and hope to add strength to the side plates and an option to broken side plates.  If the side plates are too heavy, we may scrap it.  defeats the purpose of owning a Newell if it gets too heavy.

Another problem with the Tib frames is availability.  They only made so many, and have stated they are no longer in the frame business.

Can I weigh in? ;D

My goal is to hand Bryan a set of plates that are lighter, stronger and more available than the OG Newell side plates. Especially if you, the customer has a broken plate that keeps you from fishing your Newell.
We're not trying to re-invent the wheel, just get some old friends off the shelf and back on the water.

If need be, maybe a full frame it is in order as an option, that's Bryan's call. So far, the Tib P20 frames still are available to some degree.

As Bryan said, first run will be black. If they sell right, again at Bryan's wishes, colors can be added.

As PacRat noted, the dimensional differences are minimal, but when taking on a project like this they must be addressed.  I don't think the P20 frame was ever specifically designed for the Newells, but simply luck would have it that they were Jiggy sized and were close enough that a little massaging was all that was needed to fit. I haven't discussed everything with Bryan yet, but I wanted to chime in here.
Tom

Quote from: thinkwahoo on February 04, 2016, 01:56:23 AM
Another problem with the Tib frames is availability.  They only made so many, and have stated they are no longer in the frame business.

As far as I know tiburon is still making frames. I just went to their website
and I didnt find anything refering to discontinuing their frames and spools however they have announced they will be discontinuing their fishing reel line to focus more on new
frames.
I think accurate is out of the frame business.

If it works in black.. ice blue green or silver would be cool.  Not to put the cart out in front :)

I only own 200's and 400's all with Tib frames. So I may have to buy a 300 series just to get these side plates???? Oh boy. There goes another $500

I don't own a Newel anymore so my opinion don't matter.

The Newel nut on here, buff old guy from east coast of Florida kills a lot of Nice Mango's on a party boat over there, can't remember his name but he bought it from me.

Newell Nut =?

Based on my limited knowledge of Penns, I would want both frames and plates, to limit distortion, flexing, which keeps drags and gears aligned under max loads.

I've got several 300 series and one 500 series newells with tib or accu frames. they fit fine without modification. interesting to see this project, as I had been thinking of aluminum sideplates for newells in light of the plates being produced recently for penns. I would certainly be in for at least one set please ;D oh, and one more vote for plates to fit tib/accu frames.

I don't own a Newell. Put I own several Newelled Penns. I've never even considered the feasability of a Newell stand and bars failing so I always thought of the Tib frames as a great way to spend more money. I have had side plate issues on any type of reel, however. I recommend fitting the sideplates to the Newell parts. I'm currently looking hard at the 146 sized Newell. Plates for it would be cool. Like a Cortez only fast.
Ron

Brock from http://www.rocketreels.com has been making Newell side plates for some time now. I've seen them on both tib frames and stock frames. Does anyone have any connections with him? ???

Ron

A 146 Squidder is the same as a 220 Newell.

Quote from: Doso2222 on February 04, 2016, 04:01:32 AM
Brock from http://www.rocketreels.com has been making Newell side plates for some time now. I've seen them on both tib frames and stock frames. Does anyone have any connections with him? ???

Brock went to intermediate school with my sister. He grew up about 3 miles from me but I have never met him. I tried to get him to make side plates before but he said that is is not set up for production as I tried to order 50 sets from him. He wasn't interested. Heck of nice guy.

Quote from: Doso2222 on February 04, 2016, 04:01:32 AM
Brock from http://www.rocketreels.com has been making Newell side plates for some time now. I've seen them on both tib frames and stock frames. Does anyone have any connections with him? ???

Brotha Bill here in Ewa Beach is good friends.  Brian also knows him.  He makes some cool stuff.  Mostly on an individual order-by-order basis, as I recall... but honestly, the tollerances/workmanship seem a bit below sir Cortez... IMHO.  I love the look of his titanium six shooter handle knobs though they are a bit heavy.

If I could take a dive down the rabbit hole of my own choosing...I would wish for 300 diameter sideplates with 500 series double-dog guts. It would be known as a Newell/Cortez 500 Magnum! Oh wait a minute...I haven't completed the Magnum that I'm already building.
Just wishing out loud...carry on.
-Mike

I'm not sure what the problem is. My S332 has a 99 Jigmaster Tib frame and all the holes line up fine

Quote from: PacRat on February 04, 2016, 06:11:37 AM
If I could take a dive down the rabbit hole of my own choosing...I would wish for 300 diameter sideplates with 500 series double-dog guts. It would be known as a Newell/Cortez 500 Magnum! Oh wait a minute...I haven't completed the Magnum that I'm already building.
Just wishing out loud...carry on.
-Mike

That's what I'm talking about. It seems to me that Cortez makes both. I would think he could morph the drawings and come up with the baddest 40# braid reel around. Fill it will Mr. Chui's goodies including the 5:1 gears and there isn't anything anyone could do to touch it.

Ron

Bryan,
   I am interested.  My 322 and 332 with your drags and Tib frames are strong.  They both have handled 45-50 lb YFT.  Aluminum side plates would be cool.  I hope the weight can be kept close to the original side plates.  The tib framed 300 series are heavier then the original frames.
   Speedwagon2

I like the Tib frames but they are a but heavy...I wonder if we should make frames to match the sideplates too with a goal weigh equal or  close to the original frame pieces?

Look at me...talking like I have tons of spare change.

A light weight one piece frame. Pro Gear style.  :o

Bryan,
What about a 1/4 frame with drilled aluminum bars? Very similar to the original Newell frame design but stronger and weight-wise somewhere between original and Tib frames. I know this is a micro-market but you have die-hard reel junkies and tackle hoes here...maybe we should just start a support group instead?
-Mike

Quote from: thinkwahoo on February 04, 2016, 01:56:23 AM
Another problem with the Tib frames is availability.  They only made so many, and have stated they are no longer in the frame business.

The "obvious answer" is that, if you are going to make Aluminum Sideplates, why not also make Aluminum Frames to match them ?

If you go this route, let me say that I have always "hated" the "Feet" on aftermarket frames for ALL reels ( Accuframes, Tiburon, Newell /Penn Conversion ) because the are TOO SMALL, and TOO SHORT . . . This causes a "sloppy fit" in the Reel Seat on the rod, allowing the reel to move around.

Since Newell reels were designed to be lightweight, I suggest making everything thin-walled, in order to save as much weight as possible !

Quote from: Frank on February 04, 2016, 03:04:13 PM
A light weight one piece frame. Pro Gear style.  :o

Frank, I have though about this.  We would have to have several different sizes to each width of reel that Newell produced.  Maybe more trouble than it's worth with the shoe string budget that I have.

Maybe we need to look into Crowdfunding?
-Mike

If the top post and the inner rings are left on the reel, the plates will fit the Tib frame or the stock Newell frame without a problem. There still may be a need for a little filing and fitting of the SST ring to the Tib frame, as some have already mentioned. This option would be retaining the weight of the stainless parts.

If you are interested in a custom frame, look at my Cortez Conversions Classic 146 or the Jig Master 500 frame kits. I removed a lot of weight versus a stock Accurate or Tib frame. I'll try and find some frame pics when I get home tonight.

Quote from: Bryan Young on February 04, 2016, 05:14:28 PM

Quote from: Frank on February 04, 2016, 03:04:13 PM
A light weight one piece frame. Pro Gear style.  :o

Frank, I have though about this.  We would have to have several different sizes to each width of reel that Newell produced.  Maybe more trouble than it's worth with the shoe string budget that I have.

Let's start with one!

Tom, if you are willing, I'm willing.

Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on February 04, 2016, 05:41:44 PM

Quote from: Bryan Young on February 04, 2016, 05:14:28 PM

Quote from: Frank on February 04, 2016, 03:04:13 PM
A light weight one piece frame. Pro Gear style.  :o

Frank, I have though about this.  We would have to have several different sizes to each width of reel that Newell produced.  Maybe more trouble than it's worth with the shoe string budget that I have.

Let's start with one!

I would be willing to assist with budgeting to get this going.

I can assist too with funding too.

Looks like EXCITING things are about to happen !!!

yes I also have tibed out 3 reels latly while having cabin fever and per Bob at Tiburon on the popular frames when orders or demand is big enough they will make another batch,  the colored handles are done though  so order now while you can. on the larger frames (for a 500 series)  the screws are a bit short ( on the right side)  IMO so I am now looking into new source of 5-40 stainless hopefully in 316 , I am cutting down the 1" to the desired fit/length .  Jerry

I got all the screws I needed from Kingfa in Ontario, CA.  I got 18-8 flathead.  Talk to Joshua Ph#(909) 212-5413. He was really helpful.  They also would make a run of oval head (like Carl used) if we had enough interest.  They will make pretty much anything.

  Just picked up a Newell 332 at a local show .  Hope the side plates become available . I would be interested in some 220 size plates also .These Newells are hard to find on Long Island

Here is an online resource that may prove valuable . . . ENJOY !!!

http://uluajunkies.com/maintenance.html (http://uluajunkies.com/maintenance.html)

http://uluajunkies.com/shopnewell.html (http://uluajunkies.com/shopnewell.html)

Be sure to SCROLL DOWN to see the items nears the bottom of the page !

Tight Lines !!!

     Would it be possible to make a sideplate that matches the tiburon frame , but eliminates the inner and outer rings and side plate ? ( these parts are  getting very had to find in good condition ) yet retain all the newell internals and spools ?

Quote from: RUSTY OLD COLT on February 16, 2016, 11:30:17 PM
     Would it be possible to make a sideplate that matches the tiburon frame , but eliminates the inner and outer rings and side plate ? ( these parts are  getting very had to find in good condition ) yet retain all the newell internals and spools ?

That's the plan.

No internal changes. Newell gears are very strong.

Joe

You can buy the 5 stack drag system any time you want and install. Works great and sort of overkill in a 200 series. After typing that I remember making one of my P229s into a 6 stack since it already had the original 4 stack drag system.

Dwight

I'd like a set of side plates for my 338 with Tiburon frame...
Please tell me how to order...

Thought I'd show off the finished product. 
Newell 338
Tiburon Frame
Bryan Young Sideplates

Additional upgrades include 5 pc. carbon washers, aluminum handle and clicker. 
All work and upgrades done by Andy Smith of supertunereels.com

Well, if you are going to make Aluminum Sideplates, why not also make Aluminum Frames to match them ?

If you go this route, let me say that I have always "hated" the "Feet" on aftermarket frames for ALL reels ( Accuframes, Tiburon, Newell /Penn Conversion ) because they are TOO SMALL, TOO NARROW, and TOO SHORT . . . This causes a "sloppy fit" in the Reel Seat on the rod, which allows the reel to move around.

Since Newell reels were designed to be lightweight, I suggest making everything thin-walled, in order to save as much weight as possible !

The difference between a stock 332 and a 332 with my side plates is 0.3 oz heavier. Is that what you mean?

Well, this was my goal. I say it was as success.