Quote from: jurelometer on Today at 07:51:24 AMI would suggest to start with what we know:The way I read this is, Arbor knot with no mention of dead ending the standing end .
1. It is not too difficult to make an arbor knot that holds very tight (your tests). But the arbor knot only holds when the standing end is under tension. Ergo, if the arbor knot is slipping, it must no longer be under tension.
2. This problem does not occur with nylon, so what is different about nylon? First off, nylon stretches much more than braid. That extra stretch m might be providing a reservoir of tension. Also nylon has a match higher coefficient of friction, so it will stick to spool better. Nylon also tends to dig in less than braid. But there are other differences as well.
3. The slipping problem tends to happen more frequently when the spool is not packed tightly. Loose pack means less elastic tension, and more braid digging in.
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Unfortunately, this problem is happening deep in the spool, so while it is easy to observe that it is happening, it is hard to observe how it is happening.
For example, here is a non-obvious hypothesis: When a solid piece of plastic with a hole in the center expands when heated, the diameter of the hole also expands proportionally. If the line loaded on the spool behaves like it solid piece of plastic, then the line filled indoors and then taken outdoors may no longer be tight to the arbor. BTW, the coefficient of thermal expansion for the plastic used to make braid is about twice that of the plastic used to make nylon fishing line.
But this is just one of many hypotheses. It could be something more obvious, like not getting the bottom layers tight. Or there could be multiple ways to cause it. Who knows?
Not sure how to get to the bottom of this without doing a lot of spool fills.
-J
Quote from: Midway Tommy on Today at 04:11:03 PMMan, you guys are diggin' deep into this subject. 😱I am with you on that . If I tie a main stream arbor knot on a smooth spool, it`s like a old lady walking on a icy sidewalk . Yer I can`t get these guys to spin the line at the bottom of a fully filled spool ether . " Playful banter"
My solution is to fish only open face spinners, not use braid and not go after fish so big that they could spin the line at the bottom of a fully filled spool. 😉 😂
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