There are rare times when you just need to do something different. Most of us should agree that a one piece rod will out perform a two piece in casting action and power so I wanted a non-conventional two piece where the blank is one piece with a detachable handle. Makes shipping easier and less expensive and then converts back to a long rod after shipping. The idea and end design is a lot like a two piece pool stick with a threaded insert in one side and screw in the other side. Parts came from Mc Master and carbon fiber tube from Dragon Plate.
The blank is a Rainshadow RCBL79ML 20-40 which is 7'9" and then the 24" handle was added. I had bought some Fl Seminole colors a while back and nobody order a Seminole rod yet so I decided to use them.
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Cool idea 8) You brainstormed while playing pool ;D
Nice looking rod
Marc..
Outstanding work Dwight!
Way to think outside the box.. now it will fit in the box. Hopefully you get a chance to test it out on your next Hawaii trip.
That is cool i love my one piece rods ,they don't travel well does it fish like a 1 piece?
Thanks Richie
Hey Dwight I think you might be on to something here.
Your design reminds me of the old Varmac detachable butts, but with more versatility.
You could make up handles of different lengths and materials to cover a wide range of fishing styles.
Also, the reel seat hood looks to be replaceable should the need ever arise.
Love it!
Chad
Quote from: cbar45 on February 16, 2016, 11:35:35 PM
Hey Dwight I think you might be on to something here.
Your design reminds me of the old Varmac detachable butts, but with more versatility.
You could make up handles of different lengths and materials to cover a wide range of fishing styles.
Also, the reel seat hood looks to be replaceable should the need ever arise.
Love it!
Chad
Since you mentioned the seat hood, it does screw right off. Different handle lengths are in my thoughts as well. I did several test cast with a 3 oz jig and it cast great. Balance is better than expected too. The rod balances with my finger under the rod about inline with the face of the spool. It just turned out better than expected and will definitely do another when the need arises. If I had a metal lather I would make the metal pieces differently. The bolt is SS 1/4 x 20.
Very nice Dwight!
My Okuma Andros spinning jigging rod is a similar 2 piece.
The entire handle is one piece and the rod fits in.
Convenient.
Steve
That looks good Dwight. Now, get on a plane and go get some fish. ;)
Hi guys,
Fuji have beaten you to this by a good number of years, they have a ferrule reel seat in graphite DPS-LBSD, which I personally was building on rods over 20 years ago. Last year they brought out two lighter versions for spinning and casting rods for the trend towards lighter off shore rods - DPS-BFSD.
A link to the original can be found at: http://www.hopkinsholloway.co.uk/product/575/category/213 These were the boat rod fittings we were using years ago in the UK, a carbon tube with the reel seat, then the main rod blank had the ferrule - plug up like the older Varmac fitting, and away you go.
Have even used them in recent times for medium weight travel rods for marlin anglers, to build a stand-up 50lb, worked a dream for the client, as the whole assembly was lighter, and with the main rod blank sectioned as well, he could put the whole rod in his carry-on luggage.
As a concept it does give the rod builder a option to have a removable handle and a very strong joint. Strange how we arrive at different answers to the same problems sometimes?
Cheers from sunny Africa
Jeri
Quote from: Jeri on February 17, 2016, 05:54:20 AM
A link to the original can be found at: http://www.hopkinsholloway.co.uk/product/575/category/213 These were the boat rod fittings we were using years ago in the UK, a carbon tube with the reel seat, then the main rod blank had the ferrule - plug up like the older Varmac fitting, and away you go.
Jeri
I would use those if it wasn't so expensive
http://www.mudhole.com/Channel-Lock-2-Ferruled-Saltwater-Aluminum-Reel-Seats
Marc..
http://www.mudhole.com/Channel-Lock-2-Ferruled-Saltwater-Aluminum-Reel-Seats
Quote from: Jeri on February 17, 2016, 05:54:20 AM
Hi guys,
Fuji have beaten you to this by a good number of years, they have a ferrule reel seat in graphite DPS-LBSD, which I personally was building on rods over 20 years ago. Last year they brought out two lighter versions for spinning and casting rods for the trend towards lighter off shore rods - DPS-BFSD.
A link to the original can be found at: http://www.hopkinsholloway.co.uk/product/575/category/213 These were the boat rod fittings we were using years ago in the UK, a carbon tube with the reel seat, then the main rod blank had the ferrule - plug up like the older Varmac fitting, and away you go.
Have even used them in recent times for medium weight travel rods for marlin anglers, to build a stand-up 50lb, worked a dream for the client, as the whole assembly was lighter, and with the main rod blank sectioned as well, he could put the whole rod in his carry-on luggage.
As a concept it does give the rod builder a option to have a removable handle and a very strong joint. Strange how we arrive at different answers to the same problems sometimes?
Cheers from sunny Africa
Jeri
Jeri
Thanks, I like that one with the reel seat epoxied to the rod rather than to the handle. Slightly easier than my method. Are they still made by Fuji? Mine is designed different but still the same principle with the handle coming off and the reel staying on the rod. My total handle cost turned out to be $45 and most of that was the carbon fiber tube. I did not spend a lot of time shopping for a few bucks saved. They had a minimum $30 order so I got a 48" piece and can make another handle if I have the need.
Dwight
wish i had the extra money for a few custom. :( one day i will get you to build me a few. nice work as always.
Hi Dwight,
The older DPS-LBSD are still made, and stocked by Hopkins, they supply us with various components, and are not scared of shipping abroad. The more recent models are obviously scarce, as they don't seem to be popular yet in America, as they are not yet stocked by Anglers Resource, but would probably do up to 30-40lb rods, especially with some opf the slimmer blanks.
Cheers from sunny Africa,
Jeri
Dwight: That was ingenious!! ;D
Joe
Lots of popping rods are 2-piece and have the ferrule at the front of the grip that the rod slides into. Invisible and strong.
The Fuji two-piece reel seats in the link above are priced at £36 to £40 (yes, in pounds sterling). If you're needing them sent to the US it might better to source one in the States - the Fuji outlet you normally use might be able to order some, or places like acidrod.com might still have some. It surprises me why they aren't more commonly available, as it's certainly an advantage to be able to shorten a rod for travel etc. I'd have reservations about using the DPS-LBSD on a heavy stand up 50 personally, but it should be more than adequate for more general types of rods (spinning rods etc).
I quite like the idea of having screw-in butts of different lengths though. You could have a long butt for shore fishing and a short one that would be more handy to use on the boat.
Thanks for compliments and tips. For my purposes currently I am looking at Spinning applications in the 30 lb range. My source at Get Bit Outdoors has an inquiry into Fuji at the moment. When they return from the Rod Building Expo this weekend I should have an answer on availability and cost here.
QuoteI'd have reservations about using the DPS-LBSD on a heavy stand up 50 personally, but it should be more than adequate for more general types of rods (spinning rods etc).
They are rated by Fuji for tackle up to 50lb, so no problems there. Presonally have built loads of rods with them to that rating, and never a failure. When viewed just as a component, I can understand possible reservations, but once the reel is mounted in the reel seat, then the whole unit becomes considerably stronger, as any break that might try to bend the ferrule unit, will also have to bend the reel shoe - virtually impossible!!
I've even built the fitting onto a jigging rod for 80lb braid usage, and the guy was dragging huge Amberjacks up out of 80 metres of water - never a problem with the rod or the fitiing. There is a tendancy to over-build with components on some fishing rods, and this at times can be a source of excessively heavy rods.
The other more recent models are generally used for up to 30lb rods, and the construction is just as strong as the LBSD, just that they are designed for smaller diameter rod blanks, spinning or casting from boats.
Cheers from sunny Africa,
Jeri
It's the ferrule and lock nut area that would give me some concern. Light weight, for my money, is over-rated in trolling rods, especially 50 lb class and upwards: the rod is in a holder most of the time and when a fish climbs on you won't notice the extra ounces of an aluminium fitting vs plastic against the 12 to 15 lbs of drag or more you'll be wanting to apply - especially if it gives peace of mind. But, as I said, just my personal view. If you're holding the rod and working it for hours on end, like the (very nice looking) rod shown in the original photos, a light weight reel fitting (and indeed reel itself) is clearly desirable.