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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Newell Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: fishtaco on January 13, 2014, 12:30:02 AM

Title: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 13, 2014, 12:30:02 AM
Hi guys
I "found" my 540 Newell in my garage it is old but I think I can rescue it
it is missing a few bolts and has a bent ring, it gave me many fish trolling plugs
but now I am thinking in converting it to a narrow version,
for bottom jigging yellows and "bayas" or big  groupers.
I have a few 2 speed reels and I should not bother with this, and just seel the reel,
but what the heck,  problem is finding the parts.
I need the clip at the end of the shaft, and blots for the bridge,
and about the narrow spool and clamps etc,
what do you recommend, where to buy them or if any of you have them let me know
also what sizes fit to make a narrow conversion, Tiburon, Penn, etc.

eddie
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on January 13, 2014, 01:00:04 AM
What speed is it? You can't convert a 3.2.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 13, 2014, 07:31:53 AM
5.5

Let , me know
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on January 13, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
You can convert the 5.5 to a narrow kit easily but it is of course costly. Around 160 for the kit which is a Tiburon Frame and Spool.

What condition are the bearings and drags. Bryan Young on this site has the 5 stack drags that are wonderful. I set up 533 NK a while back and lifted a 40 lb dumbbell with it.
You can email Gregg Chow at chowderpuff7@yahoo.com and tell him that I sent you and he should sell you a kit for a few bucks less than his listed ebay price. He will also have bearings for you.
You could box it up and send it to me and I can build it for you if you aren't up to it.
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: alantani on January 15, 2014, 07:41:59 PM
i was going to convert my 533's to 522's and bought the conversion kits.  i am just not sure where they are.  if you are interested, i can check on the price and see if i can still find them. 
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 16, 2014, 01:50:25 AM
I am
Let me know how much, also
The drags are poop i need newones
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: alantani on January 16, 2014, 02:11:34 AM
found it.  retail is $140, but i can throw in one of bryan's 5-stack drag kits and shipping to sweeten the pot.  send a pm with your address if that works for you.  thanks!  alan

http://www.charkbait.com/cs/csrTiburon.htm
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on January 16, 2014, 03:42:53 AM
That is a great deal. Better grab it quick or I will. ;D
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 16, 2014, 04:25:00 AM
yes, I take it
Pm sent

I want to go back to Coronados for more vertical jig Yellowtail
And I want to use that reel


(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo320/eddiefishtaco/e105b7ba_zpsa6f13ebf.jpg)

That's me with that forkie
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 16, 2014, 03:12:41 PM
Pm me or text me your mailing address
Maybe I should send you the reel ?

Nevermind. I just got your pm
Well send you a check
Thanks
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: alantani on January 16, 2014, 07:55:58 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on January 16, 2014, 03:42:53 AM
That is a great deal. Better grab it quick or I will. ;D

i think i have one more somewhere.......
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Bryan Young on January 16, 2014, 08:08:30 PM
Quote from: alantani on January 16, 2014, 07:55:58 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on January 16, 2014, 03:42:53 AM
That is a great deal. Better grab it quick or I will. ;D

i think i have one more somewhere.......

Alan, by the way, I have one of your 533s.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on January 17, 2014, 01:51:22 AM
I have a large supply of new P533NKs already. ;D
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 24, 2014, 05:22:09 PM
I got the parts today woohoo
I can wait to start the conversion

Also I noticed the reel cracks a little harder than normal
It is not as smooth as my other reels
Any ideas of what it could be?
So I can look at it when I take it apart

Thanks
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: alantani on January 24, 2014, 05:56:07 PM
check the gear sleeve to see if there is any corrosion. 
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on January 24, 2014, 08:14:27 PM
If this is the model that has the screw that holds the gear sleeve in place then the handle nut can touch it when tightening the nut down. This makes it hard to turn the handle.
The fix is to add a thin washer under the plastic washer that is under the nut. I normally just put a 3-16 washer on each side of the handle. If you have the cir-clips that hold the gear sleeve in place then you have another problem somewhere.

With the 500s always be careful putting the bridge back in the side plate. The tip of the rear dog spring can get pinched between the side plate and the bridge which can create problems.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 24, 2014, 08:41:09 PM
Thanks for the info
I'll put it together tonight
And post pics

I'll fish it next week for 30# home guard yellows
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on January 25, 2014, 03:47:02 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo320/eddiefishtaco/20140124_193701_zpsdnraurib.jpg) (http://s387.photobucket.com/user/eddiefishtaco/media/20140124_193701_zpsdnraurib.jpg.html)

it is looking awesome

smooth like a weasel

next week I'll take it hunting for deep yellows at Coronado islands

thanks  guys
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Tunacious on January 25, 2014, 05:16:34 AM
Congrats! Go slay 'em... ;D
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on February 05, 2014, 09:05:56 PM

The only thing I noticed is the drags is very tight
a 1/4 turn of the drag tights it up
do I have an extra washer somewhere?
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on February 05, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Did you install Bryan's 5 stack? If you did then it will tighten up quick since you lose some of the free play in the star but it will change a little when the Cals squeezes out.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Bryan Young on February 05, 2014, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: fishtaco on February 05, 2014, 09:05:56 PM

The only thing I noticed is the drags is very tight
a 1/4 turn of the drag tights it up
do I have an extra washer somewhere?
It should loosen up a bit when you seat the drag washers by pulling a few yards under drag pushing out excess grease while working the grease into the CF washers.

Which set did you receive?  The 4 metal washers with belleville or 5 metal washers with the belleville?  Thr 4 metal washers plus one thick Newell washer loads up a lot faster because the newell washer fills up any gap that was there.  I figure that you will not be fishing these reels with minimal drag of 2# so considered it a design liveable flaw.  It will not hurt the drags and will definitely keep water out of the drag system all the time because will always be slightly pre-loaded.  If you don't like this, and I have a few that commented that they don't, I've added a 5th metal washer so there is a slight gap and you can get 1/2# of drag with the star backed off.

I hope this helps.


Bryan
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on February 08, 2014, 08:30:51 PM
Thanks guys
I have not fished the reel yet
So I'll try to put some pressure
On that 5 stack drag system
One thing is for sure,I like them a lot
They are steady smooth and strong
At the end of this month I will be fishing
Yellows at Mexico, (San Carlos, Sonora)
And it is all yoyo or knife jig fishing
I'll pair the reel with a butterfly jig rod
Trevala H
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on February 09, 2014, 03:22:47 PM
You will really enjoy that reel. I have a bunch of those conversions and I have had a lot of fun with them and they cast great. It should hold 250 yds of 40 lb mono. There is a photo somewhere on the site showing me lifting a 40 lb dumbbell using my 533 5.5NK and it was with 40 lb momoi diamond with the SDJ knot.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on February 12, 2014, 04:15:33 AM
Cool thanks for all the info.

I tested the reel in a friends pool and it recovers like 45 inches per turn
making the knife jig swim beautiful
tried with the 6x jr. yoyo jig and makes it spin a little, it brings it fast
I guess I'll use it for the bigger size yoyos
but I fish the knife jig a lot more
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on February 12, 2014, 04:29:22 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo320/eddiefishtaco/20140105_090012_zpsd4035b25.jpg) (http://s387.photobucket.com/user/eddiefishtaco/media/20140105_090012_zpsd4035b25.jpg.html)

My favorite Jig

River to sea Knife jig 200grams

black dog figure 8 solid ring
6/0 assist hook
the knot goes on top by itself
Assist hook at bottom part of the figure 8
also the split ring, and the jig on the split ring, no hooks on jig.

the Newell narrow conversion makes it swim very very nice
eddie
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on March 10, 2014, 08:25:47 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo320/eddiefishtaco/20140302_111455_zpsgmqrkbmu.jpg) (http://s387.photobucket.com/user/eddiefishtaco/media/20140302_111455_zpsgmqrkbmu.jpg.html)

The reel was very sweet and performed with precision
When it comes to the right action of the jig.
I lifted the rod tip, or jerked the jig, once every second
And turned the handle one revolution
One lift, one turn and hooked 11 yellow tail
Lost 4 boated 7. The reel lost some screws by the gear/ plate
My fault, I should of just seal them instead of using grease
Right now the reel is at kenny's tackle shop, Montclair CA
They are servicing it and replacing the screws.

We participated in a 2 day  yellow tail tournament , sucked on Saturday
And won first place on Sunday, second overall.

Thank you all.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on March 10, 2014, 11:47:52 AM
If you are referring to the bridge screws they probably were not snugged up. I have never seen one loosen up from fishing. If you are referring to the screws in the frame, they need to be greased or they will be locked in that aluminum frame and may never come out for service.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on March 12, 2014, 05:01:25 AM
The bridge screws, came loose
All that movement on the reel, up and down and cracking
All day for 2 days, and big yellows tugging and running, somehow
I lost 3 screws, noticed a noise and the missing screws
And put the reel away to fight another day.

I guess the reel is designed for a more stationary fishing position..
Like bait or trolling, but hey, I love jigging
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on March 12, 2014, 02:25:01 PM
I fished mine hard for 45 trips last year without a problem. If you put them together right they just keep on going. There is something you are missing on the assembly.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on March 13, 2014, 01:56:53 AM
Yes I agre with you
that's why I took the reel to Kenny
I prefer that reel over my 2 speed jigging reels
it fits my locomotion better and it cast a mile (50# Sufix832 braid)
hooked a fish on a super long cast and a Ironman 5 in green/yellow.

Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: Newell Nut on March 13, 2014, 08:10:32 AM
I think what happened to you is typical on some of the 500s. The little dog spring just got between the bridge and the side plate post which cants the bridge slightly and the screws do not get snugged properly. It is just the rear dog spring that does this. If you work on it yourself in the future just be aware of it and just push the spring over about a 1/16 and the bridge will fit snug. The other fix is to take a dremel and trim about .010 off the edge of the graphite post where the spring gets trapped.

Also notice that when the bridge snaps in place properly that there are two post on the side plate that snap into a hole on each side of the bridge plate. When those two post pop into place the bridge is square and flush. Now tighten the 4 bridge screw and all is well for a very long time. One day I will think about it and do a tutorial pic or two.
Title: Re: Thinking in convert a Newell 540 to narrow conversion
Post by: fishtaco on March 17, 2014, 01:53:54 PM
Thanks for all the info.
I cant wait to fish that reel again
It felt very smooth with the short, fast jigging motion
and on the long stroke jiggin' move
the fish came up effortlessly I should be getting the reel back this week
ill ask about the bridge and the dog the guy working on it should know
thanks man,

eddie