I've only owned a reel that does this for a few hours...but I'm way sick of it already. It's sporadic, only happens every three or four casts. What causes it? Can it be adjusted away? Hope someone has a cure for this, other than sawing off the bail. I like to install a bailess setup because I want to...not because I have to! :-\
Weak bail spring
What reel???
Quote from: nelz on August 06, 2019, 04:56:58 PM
What reel???
I suppose that would help Nelz...sorry about that. :P It's a South Bend Classic 935, and I just made a discovery, not sure how I missed this, but that spring circled in red on this pic is missing on my reel. Appears to be a sort of "rotor brake"...like it stops the momentum of a moving rotor during a cast. Am I on the right track?
Yeah, that would do it! Sometimes bending the bail a bit to make it tighter helps on a touchy reel.
It may be because the rotor is heavier on one side than the other so the heavy side moves out (toward the water) during the cast and, as it moves, trips the bail. The handle can swing around and do that too. That spring in your picture may put enough tension on the rotor to stop that. They put a weight in the Penn Spinfisher to balance the rotor (like balancing an automobile tire) and keep the rotor from tripping the bail.
-steve
I had a spinner that did this when I was a kid. It lead to me having a nuclear melt down about 2:30 in the morning on the bank of the Kansas River. After losing my last live bait to the reel doing this, with a lot of malice I launched it into the river.
My grandpa walked up to me slowly & asked " Are you alright ? " He made me go sit on log until I cooled down. Later he had me swim out until I retrieved the combo. I came back to the river bank rod & reel in hand. I quickly removed the reel from the rod & pitched it back into the river. Grandpa while scratching his head, with a half smile said " Well I guess that about settles that " . I miss my grandpa dearly... Jeff
Interesting and funny story, Jeff.
I'd bet it's that missing spring, Mo. Some rotor designs(heavy and unbalenced) really need a system, once the bail is opened, to stop their movement during a cast.
Quote from: Gfish on August 07, 2019, 08:35:54 AM
I'd bet it's that missing spring, Mo. Some rotor designs(heavy and unbalanced) really need a system, once the bail is opened, to stop their movement during a cast.
I'm pretty sure that this is indeed the problem G. I fashioned a crude facsimile and it does keep the plunger from swinging into the trip pin during a cast. I'd rather have the correct part though...who knows how long that brass shim will hold it's shape.
Hey Fred, do you by chance have those copper spring/ramp thingies in your SB parts?
Hey Fred, do you by chance have those copper spring/ramp thingies in your SB parts?
Those are what they call brake rings — in the spinning reel world, Mike.
And I just packed up around 4 - 5 pounds of SB parts — each group in individual plastic bags — packaged and ready to mail today.
There were no brake rings in there, Sorry...
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on August 07, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
There were no brake rings in there, Sorry...
That's OK Fred, thanks for checking. I think I can work around it. I need to find some heavier stock and make the same thing I made this morning. The reel is coming along great though, the gearing and bearing are so smooth, just a fantastic reel. 8)
I've seen your work, Mike. Either brass or bronze sheet sock in the correct thickness will work just fine. With the right stock, patience, shears and file you'll be able to copy the one in that pic to a T. ;)
I gotta MG 306 that does that, back on the mainland. You got me interested, when I'm back there, I'minna haveta open it up and see if somethings tweaked. I've relegated it to a bottom fishin spinner cause a that...
Never owned a spinner with a "plunger" system before. Are most South Bend's that way?
Quote from: Gfish on August 08, 2019, 09:00:44 PM
Never owned a spinner with a "plunger" system before. Are most South Bend's that way?
The Classics are the only series I've seen with it.
I found a heavier brass stock and refined the shape a bit, and I believe I have a decent copy of the missing part. Backyard testing proved the part very effective, not a single tripped bail during casting.
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I'm pretty sure this is most of the source of my bail tripping problem. I decided to add a custom handle knob, and as you can see, it is larger than the original. Heavier too...hence the added momentum to trip the bail during a cast. This is a prime example of what always happens when customizing. You change one thing...it effects three others. Even "easy bolt on" parts require some thought.
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Being nervous about trashing one of these "unobtanium" parts, I drilled the knob post hole in steps so as not to stress the handle arm.
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Here is the new post mounted to the arm. I like to take the tiny bearings out and give them a good squirt of oil before assembling these aftermarket knobs.
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During all this bail testing I couldn't help but notice the gritty feel of the bail. These before and after pics don't really show it, but there was a lot of sand in the parts.
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I wiped my hands with the rag I used to clean the bail parts...no trouble seeing the sand on my fingers! I had to go back and clean everything one more time with clean rags. Sand can be hard to get rid of.
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These stock drags are in great shape, but I'm changing to greased carbon fiber for top performance. Penn's #6-60 fits great, only needing a tad removed from the inside diameter.
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It's been said over and over, the quality of the parts on these Classics is first rate.
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Covering those parts in blue grease seems wrong. I think this is why Superlube made clear grease! :D
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Spooled with 20lb. pink Ande and mounted to a Rippin' Lips Supercat rod, this reel is going to be fun. Thanks to Fred for sending me the new badge for the side plate. 8)
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YES Mo!!! ;D
I love my 935 and hope to get more of those SB Classics someday!
Way to go, Mo !! Looks great !
Thanks guys. These South Bends are tough as nails...definitely flying under the radar. 8)
Good job and definitly a nice reel. 8)
Some parts of them (drag knob, handle, Bail and few more) looking similar to Shakespeare parts from the Ball Bearing Series and other.
I would not be surprised if they coming also from Ohmori or both bought them from a different japanese manufacturer to build the reels.
Wow...this reel's maiden voyage was a hoot. I'm kind of new at using spinners for catfishing, so I had my doubts about landing a larger cat on this size set up. It had 20 lb. pink Ande on it, and the drag set to work with the 5-6 lb. channels I was expecting. When the 15 lb. blue cat pictured below hit, the rod just bent down and stayed, he was on and hooked. I was using a skip jack head on a 6/0 Gama circle. The drag slipped on a few runs, and it was smooth as silk. I'm very impressed with the performance of this combo. I might spool up some braid on the spare spool I have...maybe something for a bit heavier work. 8)
Nice cat Mo, awesome catch!!
I'm confident these reels can handle a lot, especially with the drag upgrades we've done. I loaded mine with 30 lb braid and love it!
Nice one, Mo !
Great work Moe. Did you know that sand has wet glue in it? I don't need convincing. Dominick
Fabulous mo,,,,, :D keep getting them,,,,,, ;D