got my new toy and pulled it to bits today.what an enigma.ss main,pinion,2 dogs,reel foot,screws,you bewdy. BUT no grease, reel bag,oil,only litrature was a schematic sheet.no mention of warranty.tested drag,terrible,free spool 8 seconds,opened it up.dry as a drunks mouth on a sunday mornin.cleaned and greased with inox5 and cals.drag not jerkyanymore.15lb@1 ft/5sec;freespool@15lb very good,dont really know how much but with small swivel on went straight to the floor in freespool.good enough for me.water will get into this reel via a springy drive gear cover,also a hole under the reel foot.dont know what thats for.i plugged it.gunna have to leave reel in gear on boat and when you clean.no loctite or grease on any screws.made in china alright with no quality control.you are so right alan with a new reel.give it a full service.first one ive ever done thank you.anyone else got one like mine?
Quote from: wallacewt on May 27, 2010, 08:09:54 AM
got my new toy and pulled it to bits today.what an enigma.ss main,pinion,2 dogs,reel foot,screws,you bewdy. BUT no grease, reel bag,oil,only litrature was a schematic sheet.no mention of warranty.tested drag,terrible,free spool 8 seconds,opened it up.dry as a drunks mouth on a sunday mornin.cleaned and greased with inox5 and cals.drag not jerkyanymore.15lb@1 ft/5sec;freespool@15lb very good,dont really know how much but with small swivel on went straight to the floor in freespool.good enough for me.water will get into this reel via a springy drive gear cover,also a hole under the reel foot.dont know what thats for.i plugged it.gunna have to leave reel in gear on boat and when you clean.no loctite or grease on any screws.made in china alright with no quality control.you are so right alan with a new reel.give it a full service.first one ive ever done thank you.anyone else got one like mine?
couldnt get the spool spindle out yesterday because the tiny screws are metric allen key screws and i didnt have a set. have now. still cannot move them. part#1 screws into part#3 click assembly.all bearings are sealed.i just sprayed down the centre of the spool with inox 5.working fine but there will be trouble ahead.any suggestions.
These reels look the part, and one I've been considering buying. But they don't seem to get any good press, I've not read anything to recommend them on this thread or the others are they worth having, or do the problems they seem to have from new outweigh the good points?
Quote from: wish I was fishing on May 28, 2010, 07:46:47 AM
These reels look the part, and one I've been considering buying. But they don't seem to get any good press, I've not read anything to recommend them on this thread or the others are they worth having, or do the problems they seem to have from new outweigh the good points?
to be honest i think they will fish terrific,BUT,they will have to be serviced more frequently.water will get in.for instance,there is no drag cover.when you go into freespool the pressure plate releases and the drag washer is exposed.when you wash it or out fishing leave the pressure on the drag.service is a must out of the box by someone who knows what he is doing.im not one of those guys but im learning very quickly.be nice to have one of the guys from here give em a crack.cheers.sry i cant send photos.
Quote from: wish I was fishing on May 28, 2010, 07:46:47 AM
These reels look the part, and one I've been considering buying. But they don't seem to get any good press, I've not read anything to recommend them on this thread or the others are they worth having, or do the problems they seem to have from new outweigh the good points?
I read a review of these reels some time ago on Bloodydecks and was not impressed enough to buy one. I would be concerned about availibility of spare parts for a Chinese made reel in the UK. I have been spoiled by using Penn reels for many years with spares so readily available. I recently bought a Tinidad TN16 which I love fishing with and can obtain spares by return of post in the UK.
Quote from: Irish Jigger on May 28, 2010, 06:55:28 PM
Quote from: wish I was fishing on May 28, 2010, 07:46:47 AM
These reels look the part, and one I've been considering buying. But they don't seem to get any good press, I've not read anything to recommend them on this thread or the others are they worth having, or do the problems they seem to have from new outweigh the good points?
I read a review of these reels some time ago on Bloodydecks and was not impressed enough to buy one. I would be concerned about availibility of spare parts for a Chinese made reel in the UK. I have been spoiled by using Penn reels for many years with spares so readily available. I recently bought a Tinidad TN16 which I love fishing with and can obtain spares by return of post in the UK.
went to bloodydecks.com.the boys fished em,drags couldnt hold up.quote "avoid them like the plague"!!!unquote.
Quote from: wallacewt on May 29, 2010, 01:19:53 AM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on May 28, 2010, 06:55:28 PM
Quote from: wish I was fishing on May 28, 2010, 07:46:47 AM
These reels look the part, and one I've been considering buying. But they don't seem to get any good press, I've not read anything to recommend them on this thread or the others are they worth having, or do the problems they seem to have from new outweigh the good points?
I read a review of these reels some time ago on Bloodydecks and was not impressed enough to buy one. I would be concerned about availibility of spare parts for a Chinese made reel in the UK. I have been spoiled by using Penn reels for many years with spares so readily available. I recently bought a Tinidad TN16 which I love fishing with and can obtain spares by return of post in the UK.
went to bloodydecks.com.the boys fished em,drags couldnt hold up.quote "avoid them like the plague"!!!unquote.
but they were probably fished dry. if they are serviced properly, i'll bet they would fish great!
Quote from: alantani on May 29, 2010, 03:13:19 AM
but they were probably fished dry. if they are serviced properly, i'll bet they would fish great!
Would greasing the drag make it somewhat waterproof also?
PS: Isn't Okuma coming out with a small lever drag, ie a variation on it's Cedros models.
yes to both.
Quote from: alantani on May 29, 2010, 04:58:12 AM
yes to both.
went back to bloodydecks and under the heading of marquesa the bloke is talking about a 50 and a 30.he must be talking about the old fins,because they dont make a marquesa 50.any how thought id try for a bit more drag 25lb.smooth as silk,its getting to the silly stage for an old bloke like me whos past the seniors and into veteran class,with no harness lugs on the reel i think ill bail out at 25lb.i dont wanna send the wrong nut skyward.cheers
Quote from: alantani on May 29, 2010, 04:58:12 AM
yes to both.
my last go at this till i go and put a samson on the end.the bearings have these markings.smos 86972. comments anyone?
just an update now after 2yrs exp; and wiser.
ive landed all sorts of fish,samsons included.no problems.
Great thread Wallace - the proof's in the pudding.
Cheers, Justin
Quote from: wallacewt on May 02, 2012, 02:52:15 AM
just an update now after 2yrs exp; and wiser.
ive landed all sorts of fish,samsons included.no problems.
G'day Wallace, I have the MA20 as well, tried to strip it down but can't get the drag arm off the shaft to seperate the spool from the body. Are there any tricks to doing it.
I topok it to Jurien, it's a dream to use, no problems with Mackeral to 19Kgs, Duhies and Pinkies no worries
gday dave
i cant remember,if someone else could chime in pls,do you have the schematics.if you get no answer ill pull mine apart for you.
How's this?
thanks redsetta
i had a look for you dave.
part#20unscrew right hand thread
part#83 unsrew left hand thread
be very careful here,as you lift off part#21,
there are 2 little click springs,part #25 underneath.
then there is a retainer spring part#27 with 2 little holes
widen the clip and remove.
you should be free sailing from there.
you did do a full service before you used it.cause you did ;)
if you need me to go further in just let me know
Thanks Gentlemen, Winter is about to hit Western down under shortly and now I have a job to do for the long weekend.
I will let you know the outcome.
Mate, because I couldn't get it apart what I could see had I could see had grease and it handled the trip OK.
I am sure it will be even better after this.
i would advise you to strip it right down when you have the time.dont worry if it takes a week or more,its just a bit of oil and grease after that.did you fish with whitey out of jurien bay or used your own boat.cheers mate
Went up there with the Western Angler crew, guided by Darryl Hitchen. Whiteys boat, bagged out by 11:00 AM both days.
Lots of all the majors species.
Yeah, a full strip down is the plan, sheilds off bearings, Cals on the drag etc, etc.
Looking forward to the Challenge.
dave a little trick i use that may help.
when you get to a tricky bit, take it out, put it straight back in, take it again.
and the one that alan recommends,take photos as you go.
it all seems a bit much at 1st while we learn but a similar reel becomes easier,then good,gooder and goodest.
gooder luck
Thanks, did that little trick and it worked, I have pulled it apart and put it back together 4 times tonight.
2 hours and 5 Kilkennys and I'm a bloody genius.
Some time over the weekend I will do the bearing shields, grease up and oil change and I reckon it'll be a gooden'.
Gonna need to do another charter to test it out.
QuoteGonna need to do another charter to test it out.
Good call! ;) ;D
ok m8
bit of confidence and away you go
Uh Oh
I stripped it down on Saturday, removed the shields from the 2 spool bearings, (Almost no grease, glad I did it)
left the shields on all the others and oiled them as best I could.
Reassembled it all and..........very noisy. Stripped it down again and found, lo and behold, 2 stuffed spool bearings, must have hit the race with the awl. Bugger, now need two new bearings, S607Z and S797Z. All this happened before the 1st Kilkenny so I can't blame that.
Question, Should I fit bearings with no shields, buy them with shields and remove the inside one or leave the shields on and use the bearing greaser I have just ordered form Alan.
Incidentally Alan offers the best service from any one I have dealt with in my 62 years. Bearing greaser and freight to Western Australia for $xx:xx (hope he makes a profit at that rate, he deserves to make a quid for the sevice he provides) and no money to be paid until I receive the goods.
There are a lot of (read all) Australian companies that could learn from this. Service in this country sucks big time.
Dave
hi dave,i can only tell you what i do.oil the spool bearings, open, (i like as much freespool as i can get)grease the rest,i use tsi-321 and inox mx6 grease on everything including drags.thats it.i keep reel covers on when im not using them,(wife makes them for me) when i switch rod&reel, covers go straight on before i start fishing again.keeps the spray and waves off a little bit,especially the cowboys i fish with. hope this helps.sry ,forgot the ar bearing,no grease,drop of oil.redsetta had a good method.just run a rag up and down until all the bearings are shining ,then drop of oil.simple.
Just serviced an MA-20 and I was amazed at the quality :o It was like something from yesteryear!
By comparison the anodised finish on a Shimano Talica was very disappointing :-\
The grease in the bearings was a bit light so the pinion bearing had failed.
The spool drag is open on the RHS so bearings here are somewhat vulnerable and need attention.
You would have to look hard to find quality like this these days for the price so you can go in knowing you are buying something that's gonna go the distance provided you look after it :)
Very impressed.
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