I had a unique build on my hands.
A T4 WEX in a custom color from Ted.
The best parts were chosen for this.
Double dog bridge with stainless sleeve and the best gears available.
I purchased a parts reel for some necessary parts.
The parts reel was the worst. It literally had oil everywhere.
I took it outside and bathed it in Coleman Fuel, to rid it of the quart of oil that was used for lubrication.
Upon assembly, there is issues.
Everything went together easily, but the gears grind when put together.
I reassembled a dozen times, and I know when to walk away.
The spool is true, The gears are right, but every time I assemble, you can't crank the handle.
The bridge screws are not touching the spool, but the alignment with the gears is making the problem.
The next step will be using a regular brass bridge with a stainless sleeve and see how it goes.
There are so many part possibility's to make this right.
After six hours, I've had enough.
I had a similar problem with a dd bridge. The bridge was from the second batch and came from Penn Parts. It seems that some bridges with one hole in the wrong place got into circulation. Alan C tried to get them back but a few got out. Alan C replaced mine with the correct bridge and it fixed everything. If your bridge is from the second batch, an easy way to tell is to see if one of the holes has been welded up and redrilled. If not, it may be one of the recalled bridges.
The Build has his gears and Bridge.
If either one is faulty, it is no fault of mine.
It is just frustrating trying to use the best and it runs into problems.
Bone stock works for me if it doesn't take an afternoon.
There is no reason for this.
I'll figure it out, Just not tonight.
I'm done for now.
Daron,
I think I see what the problem is.
I noticed it in the last picture.
You need a bigger hammer ;)
J/K, I know these types of issues are frustrating.
Hopefully a nights sleep and coming back to it later will reveal the issue and that reel will be working good as it looks!
Perhaps this green machine wants you to install stock internals ;)
Walking away in frustration really sucks.....it's a humbling experience, especially for anyone that has built as many reels as you..... I feel your pain my friend
Ted
i bet i have a half dozen bagged i haven't solved yet. some are years old.
I left it on the table, just as pictured.
I'm in no Hurry.
When you really take your time and clean and ready every part and then it doesn't work.
I know when to say when.
I think I will take your advice Ted. I have a narrow Californian I need to do also.
It has the Accuplates and one of your blue handles and shifter.
I have a 501 that I've been working on for over a year. I'll pick it up and try again every month or so still isn't right. Then take another build and it snaps together like legos. Good to know I'm not alone. You'll get it Daron
I just did my purple narrow Accurate with the same bridge. I had an issue with the under gear washer. The studs on the bridge will make contact with anything under gear that is a bigger outer diameter than the carbontex in Bryan's ultimate kit. I can see them pushing the gears into each other by way of the under gear washer. It might not be the problem, but it could help. :)
Quote from: Army_of_One on July 16, 2018, 07:57:40 PM
I just did my purple narrow Accurate with the same bridge. I had an issue with the under gear washer. The studs on the bridge will make contact with anything under gear that is a bigger outer diameter than the carbontex in Bryan's ultimate kit. I can see them pushing the gears into each other by way of the under gear washer. It might not be the problem, but it could help. :)
Hmmmmmmmm... This could be relevant to some past builds a mine.
makes me feel less inept to know someone with as much experience/expertise runs into issues as well. I had a 506 that worked fine until the drag was tightened down, then it would bind while cranking as though a bad spot in gear(s), which it wasn't. turned out to be the brass sleeve had wear where hole in center of main gear rode, making it bind. traded out a few parts till I found problem. I'm sure you'll get it.
It will be hard to pin point your problem from here, I touch many parts on these to make it work as I would like. Your problem might be related to the custom parts, or the Tiburon frame and spool...hard to say.
I run into some every now and then that give me problems.
I have parts to comp[are, so if you really had enough, put it in the mail and I see what's going on, maybe might even get lucky and get it working.
Sal
I just had enough last night. I'm not throwing in the towel just yet.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 17, 2018, 12:03:02 AM
I just had enough last night. I'm not throwing in the towel just yet.
Atta boy Daron! If this is like many of my stumbling blocks...when the problem finally presents itself...you'll wonder how you missed it. 8)
I'm not sure what you have in there, but I do see a stock Jack. Those should be stainless steel, the stock flexes too much, this might be related to the tighter tolerance with the pinion.
I do recommend the ss jack and yoke on these kits.
I spent another hour tonight trying to figure out the Green Machine.
That is all I can spare with my regular shift at work in these hot temps.
It is like 120 in there. ::)
I thought I had it. Disassembled, compared bridges, looked at the pinion engagement and did a few tweaks.
Replaced the undergear with an original and removed one of the thin washers on the stack, thinking it was binding on the inside of the plate.
Flipped the yoke for a smoother engagement and put it all together with loose screws.
It felt good until I slowly started tightening everything up.
Then the same binding issues.
I left it with a chuckle.
I'm one step closer.
Working on reels is my favorite past time, other than actually fishing them.
I'll get it in due time.
Glad to see you're making progress, try stock bridge screws just for testing. If it gets better for you, you will need to reduce the head on the stainless steel screws a little .
The custom bridge works nicely with Penn plates, but at times it needs adjustments when used with aluminum plates.
I'm not saying the aluminum plates aren't good, tolerance is a little tighter on those, this is why you will need minor adjustments.
I have no doubts you'll get this working perfectly.
Sal
I also had an issue with one of the stainless sleeves having teeth too big to turn on the bridge plate. I had to use an older one with shorter teeth. I could still get the sleeve on, with a third hand, but the teeth were catching on the dogs and it would remain stationary.
I'm telling you that you are describing the exact problem I had. The first question I had is this bridge from the second batch Alan C produced? I'll bet a stock bridge will work.
I was thinking the same David. I purchased mine from Mystic Parts back in February of this year. I got the one that came with the sleeve.
I took the bridge off last night and compared it to stock. The holes look identical.
My next step is a stock bridge.
I keep clicking back to this thread hoping to see a completed all dark green t4WEX......the only one of its kind !!
.... I think Daron is messing with us and trying to keep us on the edge of our seat.
P.S Daron, try what Sal suggested first...the head on the CC bridge screws may be your issue. Try stock bridge screws
Ted
I took the night off last night. ;D
Swapped the screws for the original ones and the reel does turn, but it is still not up to par by my standards.
I think the problem lies in the compatibility of this spool and the double dog bridge.
It does not spin freely enough and the adjustment on the bearing has no effect.
I tested the spool with the plates on before I started.
Since T4 WEX spools don't grow on trees, I have to make this one work.
The donor has a really nice set of steel gears.
I'm going to put it all back with the stock bridge, stainless sleeve and dog with an insert kit, and save the hot rod parts for my next build.
A Narrow Californian with accuplates.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 17, 2018, 11:31:39 PM
I was thinking the same David. I purchased mine from Mystic Parts back in February of this year. I got the one that came with the sleeve.
I took the bridge off last night and compared it to stock. The holes look identical.
My next step is a stock bridge.
The defective bridges are only off 3mm on one hole. Alan got them back, welded one of the holes and redrilled. The welded hole or lack of it is the give away.
I might have a bad one then.
I'll have to take measurements with a Micrometer.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 19, 2018, 05:15:07 AM
I might have a bad one then.
I'll have to take measurements with a Micrometer.
I had 4 bad ones.
Uh-oh.
Quote from: vilters on July 16, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
makes me feel less inept to know someone with as much experience/expertise runs into issues as well. I had a 506 that worked fine until the drag was tightened down, then it would bind while cranking as though a bad spot in gear(s), which it wasn't. turned out to be the brass sleeve had wear where hole in center of main gear rode, making it bind. traded out a few parts till I found problem. I'm sure you'll get it.
This reel has taken up a lot of my time. More than usual.
This is a one of a kind kit from Ted that didn't deserve this.
My good friend Robin sent me a Stainless Bridge, thinking that was the problem.
Thanks Robin, You are a True Friend.
Come to find out, The double dog bridge was defective. Incorrectly drilled, causing all the problems with the misalignment of the sleeve.
Lee is fixing the defective products that were sold. My Bridge is on the way to him.
I finished the Green Machine tonight with all stock internals.
It is 4:30 in the AM after another long day at work, but this reel is behind me after all the wasted time.
I did slightly scratch the inside of the spool on the bridge, It wasn't from the screws.
The Handle side bearing needed a shim.
It spins like a top now. ;)
Daron,
That is an amazing reel, after all the work, it sure looks like it was worth it.
Nick
Not a fan of green, but that is beautiful. It looks like money! I hate to hear about the bridge. Out of spec parts, especially without knowing, can take the fun right out of it. Now get to work on a big Senator to help the ego. ;D
Wow, beautiful reel, your patience paid off
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 21, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
It is 4:30 in the AM after another long day at work, but this reel is behind me after all the wasted time.
Learning something new is sometimes not an easy thing & a lot of times frustrating. But never ever "Wasted Time" . Hard to see this at times until another benefits from the situation or our newly aquired knowledge... Jeff