Hi guys,
I own this reel for about 2 weeks now, and i like it very much.
There is slight issue though. It makes a noise that reminds me on a little motor but a tat deeper.
The bearings a fine, so it might be a centrifugal thing?
Did anyone had this before, especially with a calcutta?
Thank you very much!
Fritz
when does the noise start? during a fight, retrieval etc...
Hi mel
It feels very smooth and quiet during retrieve. If i spin the handle and push the release button the noise becomes alive :) during the cast as well.
Thx fritz
did you buy the reel new, or used?
are you getting good casting distance, despite the noise?
Hi,
It was a new one. The casting distance decreased a bit, but it hasnt that much of an effect. I just want it to be quiet :)
Thx
some guys intentionally use ceramic spool bearings DRY (no lube at all) for maximum casting distance. this causes maximum wear (i.e., frequent replacement) & maximum noise at high RPM's, which they tolerate for a couple extra yards on the cast... personally, I don't get it, but it's done by some.
this should not apply to a new reel, but who knows? maybe yours is an older model that sat for a decade & "dried up". maybe you're a victim of an unscrupulous vendor who pulled a bearing swap >:(
anyway, work a few drops of the thin Shimano oil into the spool bearings. if you notice an improvement, you should still start looking for replacements in the near future -- yours are compromised, even if they seem fine at low-RPM manual examination. if the reel still makes the same noise, something else is wrong -- SEND IT BACK!!!
ok! if you mean the clutch bar (release button) this is what happens, the pinion has not disengaged fully and the gears are slightly hitting each other. i i haven't done it yet but when i have the time i'll measure the pinion's length, maybe it just needs to be shortened. this happens with some of my light gear, especially the very small ones whether baitcasting or round reels. hope this helps... tight lines!
btw i also think the spool is spinning sooooooooo fast that when you push the clutch reaction is too slow for the speed of the spool. ;)
what am i talking about? fritz1, let's start all over again. forget my last reply. it has nothing to do with both gears, only with the pinion. if you are talking about after cranking hard and disengaging the clutch so that the spool spins fast this is what happens, the left part of the pinion is still slightly in contact with the left side shaft pin thereby creating the noise you hear. if this is the case try to crank, just enough for the spool to spin fast not supersonic fast, and it's not noisy we are almost there. now do this, crank it hard for it to spin sooooooo fast and then push the clutch bar and hold it and if no noise we have located the culprit. it's the clutch system. if this is what's happening with your reel personally i don't think it's a defect because this happens to all my small reels like Quantum KVD tour Shimano Curado 200E7, Calcutta Conquest and abu C4, Morrum after modding. if not time to get an exchange or refund. hope this helps, tight lines!
btw, have you centered the spool?
fritz1, let us know if you have figured out what's causing the noise. thanks!
Hi guys,
I took it apart again but the noise is still there. I cleaned everything and lubed the bearings as well. You mentioned the balance, which i would think, is only managed by the tenson knob on the left side.? There are some black pads in both sideplates, which feel like rubber and defenetly create more friction, than copper shims in abus. This should be a step up in performance at least.
Ill try to polish the things causing any friction, and let you know then.
Wbr fritz
yes, it's the tension knob. tightening it, but leave a slight play, will push the shaft farther from the pinion at free spool. check the shaft pin if has scratch marks.
Hi guys,
The shaft pin looks ok. I polished up a few things and oiled all moving parts again.
Now i notice some kind of vibration during freespool. This reel is driving m crazy right now.
Any ideas, beside selling it? :)
Wbr fritz
Quote from: fritz1 on December 12, 2013, 06:25:18 PM
Hi guys,
I took it apart again but the noise is still there. I cleaned everything and lubed the bearings as well. You mentioned the balance, which i would think, is only managed by the tenson knob on the left side.? There are some black pads in both sideplates, which feel like rubber and defenetly create more friction, than copper shims in abus. This should be a step up in performance at least.
Ill try to polish the things causing any friction, and let you know then.
Wbr fritz
I'm just going by memory of original Curado, Chronarch, Scorpion Metanium XT, so I could be wrong.
as I recall, the tension knob should have
BOTH: a copper disk/shim in direct contact with the tip of the spool shaft
AND rubber disk pad behind it... could it be that simple -- missing copper shim(s)? ???
Hi,
No copper shims installed By shimano. Something more to try?
Thx fritz
Quote from: fritz1 on December 19, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
Hi,
No copper shims installed By shimano. Something more to try?
Thx fritz
fix or not fix -- there is no try <(-_-)> metal shim in knob Shimano MUST have... round or square(ish); called "Spool Tension Spacer" or "Cast Control Spacer"; with or without "(A)" after part name
Hi
Youre right there are spacer, but nowhere near metal or copper. It seems to be carbon. I guess Something is wrong with the spool assembly.
Thx fritz
Quote from: fritz1 on December 23, 2013, 05:29:11 PM
Youre right there are spacer, but nowhere near metal or copper. It seems to be carbon...
you're describing Spacer (B);
YOUR REEL IS MISSING Spacer (A) !!!look at the schematics for Calcutta 101B & 101GT (or ANY decent Shimano baitcaster):
- http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/customer_service0/Reel_Schematics.html
- Spacer (A) -- BNT0009 or BNT2224 -- is a polished, lightly oiled metal square
- Spacer (B) -- BNT1696 -- is just a hard rubber disk to cushion Spacer (A) It's not supposed to touch the spool shaft, hence the noise & loss of distance
Hi,
We are talking about the calcutta d 101 and i have only got a japanese schematic for this one . The calcutta 201d uses the same construction, missing metal pads on the shaft ends as well .
Thx fritz
I'm completely befuddled, then. US-model Calcutta 200D are the only available schematics & cast control is same as the older reels -- two spacers in the cap (BNT2224, BNT1696)
Hi
Yes there are carbon spacer. Could they create the noise?
Any calcutta d users around?
Thx fritz
1) Could you please take a look at a US-model Calcutta schematic that's readily available at fish.shimano.com (http://fish.shimano.com) (101B, 101GT, 200D... doesn't matter -- same friction Cast Control in all of them). What's different in your reel & schematic -- specifically, the few parts immediately inside the Cast Control knob? I'm very curious. As I understand, the part that comes in direct contact with the tip of the spool shaft & slows rotation through minute friction, must be hard, smooth and wear-resistant -- i.e., metal. Maybe some kind of ceramic is the new "step up", but I can't fathom how it could be carbon.
2) I took a quick look on TackleTour -- they have quite a bit on USDM/JDM Calcutta D & their Forum is THE place for English-speaking JDM junkies... couldn't find any mention of a change in Shimano's friction Cast Control & I would think something like that would be discussed ad nauseam. BTW, you may want to ask there.
Hi,
I checked a scorpion xt and it has the same black pads installed. It seems to be a jdm thing then. But it doesnt make any noise, and my calcutta does. It has to be the spool assembly or the bearings.
I'll be back soon :)
Btw. Happy new year