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Title: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: FatTuna on December 20, 2017, 04:16:27 AM
I've been doing a lot of bridge fishing down south recently. Haven't hooked anything worthy of needing a pier gaff yet but I know that I will need one eventually. I've never used one before, not sure what kind to get. You guys have any tips?

Last year I was fishing the Skyway bridge in Tampa and saw a couple of guys land a  huge king mackerel with one.

I found a few on Ebay that essentially look like a giant bunker snag hook. Any preference on size and weight?

I also found this interesting video on Youtube. This guy is selling these but I'm thinking I could probably try and make one. Not going to lie, it's a pretty innovative design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw_fq_aKpqo
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: Cor on December 20, 2017, 05:12:17 AM
I have used two types of what we call "rope gaffs" and the most popular is one similar to what you see in the video, just larger.

We use them to gaff Yellowtail that we sometimes catch from spots as high as 50ft above the ocean.

They work adequately, but I must say I've never seen a Yellowtail or any other fish rope gaffed as easily as the fish in the video, it is difficult, takes some experience and no fear of heights to do it.   A bridge does make it much easier then some mountainside.

In Australia I've also seen them used.

Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: Tightlines667 on December 20, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
The commercial longliners use a spider rope gave, very similar to that one only larger, and all stainless steel to land large swordfish.  

The Ulua shorefishermen often use a single, double or tripple , 'slide gaff' that has a long shank with 2 rings (to slide down the mainline), and 1 ring (to attach a rope) welded on, to land large fish from the rocks or cliffs.  They also make a barrel gaff for dehooking the fish remotely.

Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: FatTuna on December 20, 2017, 05:38:22 AM
I've never seen one of those before. I'm going to hop on Youtube to see if I can find a video. That thing looks solid. Never heard of a spider rope gaff either. Learn something new everyday.
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: oc1 on December 20, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
I've never seen anything like that one in your video.  Very ingenious. Too bad the guy had to scuff up his rig to get the shot.

Then YouTube offered to show this video of a more conventional pier gaff.  I clicked on it because there is a girl in a bikini and it is from Daron's favorite beach.  Check out the free swimming kings coming up under the hooked fish about 6:30 to 6:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFHBIqn-h1w&t=92s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFHBIqn-h1w&t=92s)

-steve
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: Cor on December 20, 2017, 10:05:39 AM
 
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 20, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
The commercial longliners use a spider rope gave, very similar to that one only larger, and all stainless steel to land large swordfish. 

The Ulua shorefishermen often use a single, double or tripple , 'slide gaff' that has a long shank with 2 rings (to slide down the mainline), and 1 ring (to attach a rope) welded on, to land large fish from the rocks or cliffs.  They also make a barrel gaff for dehooking the fish remotely.


Yip, this is similar to the other type I was referring to.   I actually prefer this type, 3 hooks and a slightly longer pole with bottom line guide slightly closer to the business end.

I no longer fish those places where rope gaffs are required. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: 1badf350 on December 20, 2017, 11:26:15 AM
Yes we use them all the time pier fishing in the Outer Banks for Cobia and King Mackerel. The standard type we use is made by Sea Striker. The PG16 has four 16/0 hooks and the PG14 has 14/0 hooks. We mostly prefer the 16/0 size.
Sometimes you gotta use two gaffs if the fish is big, or the first gaff shot is iffy. We used three gaffs once on a giant Cobia

Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: Swami805 on December 20, 2017, 02:08:37 PM
We use them alot on the local pier. A giant treble hook with lead molded to the shank. Most of the ones I see also add a short piece of chain for a lttle better control.A few locals make them and make the hooks out of stainless. It takes some practice though
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: thorhammer on December 20, 2017, 02:55:14 PM
yes, exact same as Chris shows for kings and cobes, just on southern NC piers. I had mine welded with six prongs and added chain....very useful as thirty feet of rope in a wind is a pain to keep straight and will blow gaff into line with not good ending. you can also pour lead  or concrete into the pipe instead. Will take a pic this evening.
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: otownjoe on December 20, 2017, 03:02:01 PM
Here's a picture of a few that I use. The chain helps control the hook in windy situations and allows you to move it around better. It also adds some safety factor for hooks that pull when you are lifting the fish. The added weight keeps the hooks from flying back at the person leaning over and lifting the fish. I have seen pulled gaffs turned into deadly projectiles. Especially when small gaffs with small ropes are used on big fish.  On big fish i always use two gaffs. The first gaff is to get the fish under control so I can take  my time and get a good stick with the second one. If I can't see that the hook is properly buried into the fish I won't lift. I also would recommend getting the bigger size rope. It's not about the weight the rope can handle but more about the comfort for the person lifting the fish . I use 5/8 inch rope on the small gaff and 3/4 inch on the big gaff. Unfortunately I haven't had the need to use these in a long time. Nowadays everything I catch fits into the hoop net.     Joe
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: Captain64-200 on December 20, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
Fishing from a cliff in Morocco , the device used there is a cleaver one .  The leader goes through the center of the device  and down to the fish , the metal fangs act like barbs and hold the fish's head .

(http://i70.servimg.com/u/f70/13/59/28/66/remont10.jpg)

(http://peche.sudmaroc.free.fr/photos/peche6.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: Dominick on December 20, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
Very cool Captain.  Dominick
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: CooldadE on December 20, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Years ago when it was still legal to gaff a Stugeon I used a large weighted treble hook gaff to pull up a 70 lb. fish. I was on the Antioch Ca. Pier and two of us pulled it up about 12' over the rail.
With a fish that heavy it was fairly easy to snag it.

Cool
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: sdlehr on December 21, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
That gizmo Captain64-200 showed is an improved version of the one made out of PVC pipe and hooks shown in the video above. I like it.

Sid
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: handi2 on December 21, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Reminds me of when I was a kid Fishing Pensacola Beach pier. It was the only pier around.

Those free swimmers are Remora's that hang out for free eats. They are big!!

100lb Cobia have been caught of these piers.
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: FatTuna on December 21, 2017, 06:58:24 PM
I've never fished off a cliff before. Sounds like fun but I imagine it's really challenging. I'm going to put it on my bucket list.

What do you guys think of this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fishing-Alligator-Gaff-15oz-Snag-Weighted-Large-14-0-Treble-Hook-Bridge-Pier/272603331181?epid=704252571&hash=item3f786cba6d:g:6ywAAOSw881Zqarz:sc:ShippingMethodStandard!32962!US!-1
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: oc1 on December 21, 2017, 07:13:32 PM
Wow.  Remoras.  I would never have guessed.

One of the alligator hunting shows on TV had a guy making a big weighted treble hook like that.

-steve
Title: Re: Anyone ever use a pier gaff?
Post by: Decker on December 21, 2017, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: oc1 on December 20, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
I clicked on it because there is a girl in a bikini and it is from Daron's favorite beach.  

It's wonder that anyone can fish in such conditions!  Daron's Everols should get plenty of attention there.