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Title: 125 Seagate
Post by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:38:02 AM
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Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on October 13, 2016, 09:25:42 PM
   This reel was a gift from Ted. I decided to take it apart and give it a good lube. It was easy to see why the eccentric lever wasn't locking in place...no spring...duh! :P Nice looking parts inside, these oldies have beefier parts. The bridge is steel, first pic shows my magnetic screwdriver sticking to it. All the drag washers looked great, but the under gear spacer was cracked...the second photo shows I replaced it with a period correct part. After lubing it I was impressed how smooth this reel runs. It needs the correct handle, this model used a wooden torpedo knob on the handle. Mike's book says it had a hexagonal shaped clicker button, but this side plate has a standard bell shaped clicker button. As we've all witnessed, there is a lot of crossover in parts usage, so who knows, this might be the original parts.
   But enough of that...:D...the icing on this cake is the stand. That upgrade accessory is a Long Beach 60 clamp stand.  Ted said that stand is hard to find, and he's right, I've not seen any in my travels. The age of the reel and the stand are both 1941, so it could be considered a correct part, but we decided this stand needs to reside on a Long Beach 60. For now...it can support this cool ol' Seagate. 8)

*Much Thanks to Ted...for the knowledge as well as the reel
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Dominick on October 13, 2016, 09:45:36 PM
Good job Mo.  Keep up the good work of memorializing old Penns.  Dominick
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Bill B on October 13, 2016, 09:47:48 PM
Cool beans brother...really like the tail plate....Bill
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Maxed Out on October 14, 2016, 04:00:02 AM
 Mo, do you have any before pics ?? That Seagate was one notch short of a boat anchor when I sent it to you. You really did bring it back from the brink. Fantastic job, it looks like a completely different reel than what I sent you !!  I have correct handle I'll send along.

  The steel bridge is also a bonus, and I agree about sturdiness of pre war internals. All steel gears and tough as nails.

  Ted
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on October 14, 2016, 04:56:21 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on October 14, 2016, 04:00:02 AM
Mo, do you have any before pics ?? That Seagate was one notch short of a boat anchor when I sent it to you.

  No sir, I had the parts all laid out to clean when I realized I forgot a "before" pic. I did borrow another tail plate for these pics. The actual tail plate on this reel is cracked. I epoxied it...but I'd rather have a one piece plate. 8)
  Hey wait, I do have "before & after" pics of that LB60 clamp stand. I'd say it's a good representation of the overall condition. Also here's a better pic showing the stand from the front. It's like Grandma's Chevy Caprice with a 396 in it...Ha! :D
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 23, 2016, 10:12:17 PM
The Sea Gate is a very interesting reel. It is a Long Beach. What Penn did when it introduced the Sea Gate was offer a lower priced Long Beach. The first Sea Gate (1939 Models) were simply a Long Beach with old style pear shaped handle knobs. The 1939 model was offered in two sizes, a Model 125--250 yard reel and a Model 126--300 yard reel and most of them had waffle style round clicker buttons.

In 1940 the Sea Gate was not in the catalog. It disappeared for a single model year and reappeared in the 1941 Catalog.

In 1941 the Sea Gate really became its own model, more separated from the Long Beach; but, It was still a Long Beach. The 1941 Sea Gate now had a torpedo handle but the spool changed to a plastic spool, while the Long Beach model stayed with the brass spool; but, moved to a rod clamp stand. For historical correctness, your Sea Gate should not have a rod clamp type stand, no rod clamp stand was ever offered on the Sea Gate model. The hexagon clicker button is usually found on the 1941 Sea Gate.

The 1942 Sea Gate used the Hershey Kiss style clicker button. The 1942 Sea Gate was only offered in the Model 125--250 yard size as was the 1941 model.

Sea Gate Model 125's were sold in big numbers. Sea Gate model 126's are much harder to find.

I feel the Sea Gate was a model initially developed for the commercial market. Reel rental was part of what the Sea Gate models were used for. Party Boats also used them for their customers, especially the Model 126's from 1939, those are the ones you can find in odd colors to assist in end of day collections.

Sea Gate's are fun models to collect. Everything from a Long Beach will interchange with a Sea Gate.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on November 23, 2016, 11:31:46 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 23, 2016, 10:12:17 PM
The 1942 Sea Gate used the Hershey Kiss style clicker button.

   Ahh...bet mine is a '42 then. That LB stand is just hanging around 'til I get a correct handle...I believe it needs a wooden torpedo knob. Thanks for the info Mike. 8)
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 25, 2016, 06:50:11 AM
QuoteI believe it needs a wooden torpedo knob

Not necessarily. A handle with a old style pointy knob and a one piece counter weight with no hash marks or lamination marks would be correct. The knob can be Catalan, it does not have to be wood. Both could be correct.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on December 12, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
   Here's the final incarnation of my 125 Seagate...now sporting correct handle and stand. 8)
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: broadway on December 12, 2016, 06:31:40 PM
Beautiful job, Mo! You made her beautiful again...and all original, too. Well done Sir!
Dom
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Maxed Out on December 12, 2016, 06:37:06 PM
Mo, great job keeping it with era correct parts. That see thru knob looks like it came from Jurassic park and is holding long lost DNA of Otto Henze ;D
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Bill B on December 12, 2016, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 12, 2016, 06:37:06 PM
Mo, great job keeping it with era correct parts. That see thru knob looks like it came from Jurassic park and is holding long lost DNA of Otto Henze ;D
You think we can clone him.....I really hope so..... ;D   Bill
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: foakes on December 13, 2016, 02:19:08 AM
Quote from: TARFU on December 12, 2016, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 12, 2016, 06:37:06 PM
Mo, great job keeping it with era correct parts. That see thru knob looks like it came from Jurassic park and is holding long lost DNA of Otto Henze ;D
You think we can clone him.....I really hope so..... ;D   Bill

Methinks Otto's DNA is already in a lot of our members -- we are fortunate to have the amount of engineering and innovative talent that is so evident.

We may sometimes take this for granted -- but if you were a new person looking at our site for the first time -- it would literally blow you away.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 13, 2016, 02:38:15 AM
That Mo is from a different Mold.
The guy has the gift. ;).
He makes some awesome builds, time and time again.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on December 13, 2016, 08:15:24 PM
   Thanks guys...respect from one's peers is something I hold dear. Don't forget about ol' Ted either...he inspired me by sending me a project reel that he knew I'd learn from...and I did! I picked up valuable tidbits while researching this reel, knowledge I'll use over and over. Mike's knowledge of details is very helpful too...these guys always have answers.  8)
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: oc1 on January 15, 2017, 08:14:55 AM
I didn't particularly want a Seagate and Lord knows I didn't need one, but it has a hexagonal clicker button and was dirt cheap.  The listing photos were not very good but you could see the cracks in the handle knob and glue or something on the tail plate.  You could not see that "COOK" is scribed into the stand and the headplate.  The seller said it was "good working condition" but it turns out the AR is not working and the spool is nearly frozen.  It's very crusty inside and out.  I haven't taken it apart yet but do not see a model number.

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateA.JPG)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateB.JPG)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateC.JPG)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateD.JPG)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateE.JPG)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateF.JPG)

The thing that has my attention is the cracking handle knob.  Turns out it is not bakelite or catalin but a wooden torpedo.  At first I though that Mr. Cook did one heck of a good job carving a wood knob replacement, but it was turned, not carved, and appears to be from a factory.  The text and catalog page in Mike's book says the Seagate did not come with a torpedo knob.  Could this be?  Did Penn make wooden torpedo knobs?  Or, was Mr. Cook just that talented?

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateG.JPG)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateH.JPG)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/seagateI.JPG)

-steve

Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Bill B on January 15, 2017, 04:44:36 PM
I have no idea on the wooden knob, it certainly looks like a factory job, the shape and grooves look like any plastic torpedo......Bill
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Swami805 on January 15, 2017, 05:17:51 PM
I have what looks like the same year/model seagate with a wooden knob. I believe it is the correct handle and for that reel as discussed earlier in the thread. That reel looks like it should clean up pretty well,judging by all your other efforts with old reels I'm sure it will look great. Curious about what you'll come up with to put it on, maybe another bamboo creation? Sheridan
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Maxed Out on January 15, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
Your Seagate appears to have all it's factory original parts. The rosewood knob was very common on Seagate, as well as plastic spool. Also no model number in logo was standard for several models back then. The way to determine model# is the yardage capacity that was commonly stamped under the foot.

 -Ted
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on January 15, 2017, 06:37:04 PM
   Cool find Steve! You'll enjoy reviving this old reel...I had a blast with mine. Yours appears to be all there...and more dusty than corroded...which is a good thing. Can't wait to see the makeover! 8)
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: oc1 on January 15, 2017, 06:57:10 PM
Any idea of the vintage Ted?  Late 30's, early 40's maybe?
Thanks,
-steve
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Maxed Out on January 15, 2017, 07:18:25 PM
Quote from: oc1 on January 15, 2017, 06:57:10 PM
Any idea of the vintage Ted?  Late 30's, early 40's maybe?
Thanks,
-steve

Hi Steve, that style of counterbalance would date it to late 1941 & 1942 up until factory closed for war production. The Seagate was a less expensive long beach 60 or 65, that were intended for charters, and pier rentals. Your Seagate looks like it caught lots of fish in its day.

  -Ted
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: foakes on January 15, 2017, 07:49:46 PM
Looking through one of the bone piles --

Found a couple of old Seagates that I have never had a chance to go through yet -- nothing fancy, just old vintage white bread stuff.

Plus a Silver Beach and one marked "99" -- plus a few others that have never been cleaned and restored --

This is a good day to prioritize some projects as I start the new year.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on January 15, 2017, 08:08:40 PM
   Very interesting Fred...that one Seagate has a black handle knob. I"ve never seen black on a reel that old, and the handle appears correct. Cool goodies! 8)
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 16, 2017, 02:29:50 AM
QuoteI didn't particularly want a Seagate and Lord knows I didn't need one, but it has a hexagonal clicker button and was dirt cheap.  The listing photos were not very good but you could see the cracks in the handle knob and glue or something on the tail plate.  You could not see that "COOK" is scribed into the stand and the headplate.  The seller said it was "good working condition" but it turns out the AR is not working and the spool is nearly frozen.  It's very crusty inside and out.  I haven't taken it apart yet but do not see a model number.

QuoteThe thing that has my attention is the cracking handle knob.  Turns out it is not bakelite or catalin but a wooden torpedo.  At first I though that Mr. Cook did one heck of a good job carving a wood knob replacement, but it was turned, not carved, and appears to be from a factory.  The text and catalog page in Mike's book says the Seagate did not come with a torpedo knob.  Could this be?  Did Penn make wooden torpedo knobs?  Or, was Mr. Cook just that talented?

Its Sea Gate time again. It really is a dressed down Long Beach. The first year they were made was 1939, this is the year that had NO torpedo handle (Penn's way of using up old off the shelf parts and offering the reel for less money than the Long Beach). In 1939, the Sea Gate was offered iin two models, #125---250yds. & #126---300yds. The Model 126 is the one that collectors should look for. It is also the one that gets weird because it was bought up by Commercial customers that wanted the reel tailored to their own appearance specs.

Then, along comes 1940 and both Sea Gate Models are missing from the catalog.

In 1941 and 1942 The Sea Gate---Model 125 returns with a Torpedo handle and a plastic,rather than metal spool---(metal demands of the war were changing things at that time). I believe that the Hexagon Clicker is a 1941 model and the Hershey Kiss style clicker button is a 1942 model.

The Model 126---300 yard reels is a very tough find. Here is the only 1939 Model 126 I have ever found. look out for phonies.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Sea%20Gate/DSC00342%20640%20x%20480_zpscmb0eevw.jpg)
This is why I call the Model 126's weird. Even the handle knob is odd.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Sea%20Gate/DSC00345%20640%20x%20480_zps5r4fmsrl.jpg)
The tail plate was broken in half. I had to save it to keep the character of the reel. Epoxy saved the day.

I like the Sea Gate models. They represent a pre-war time when people were fishing for food. The Sea Gate was a popular rental reel in California, which is where mine came from.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Sea%20Gate/1939%20Newport%20Pier%20California%201122%20x%20808_zpsucvv9pdz.jpg)
                  Here is why the reels were weird. The year is 1939. At the end of the day, the Reel Rental Tackle Shop owner tells the kid who works there to go out on the pier and collect the rods from his tackle shop. Weird rods and reels were how they were found, otherwise they would not make their way back to the shop.

I have probably posted these pictures before; but, they do apply here I believe.

Never underestimate the importance of the Sea Gate. And yes, many of the 1941 and 42 model were made with the wood torpedo handles. Back in those days, wood was not a War sensitive material, so it was used all the time.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: oc1 on January 16, 2017, 08:02:59 AM
Thank you Mike. 
Look at all the Calcutta cane in that Newport photo.  Does my heart good.
-steve
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 17, 2017, 06:37:29 AM
QuoteLook at all the Calcutta cane in that Newport photo.  Does my heart good.

Yes, Steve, I know just how you feel. Every rod and reel on that pier is a collectible in today's world.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 23, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
Here's a Seagate I picked up last week. Decided to clean it up, put new springs, metals and cf washers in it and am going to use it on a sabiki rod.
I love the handle color, only one I've seen in person and it stands out from most of my other Penn handles.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on March 23, 2019, 10:06:03 PM
That's a nice Seagate Darin! 8)
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 23, 2019, 10:56:36 PM
Quote from: mo65 on March 23, 2019, 10:06:03 PM
That's a nice Seagate Darin! 8)
Thanks, Mike, I'm getting the hang of cleaning up these reels and getting them back together, I guess you could say I'm "hooked" ;D
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 24, 2019, 03:24:08 AM
QuoteThanks, Mike, I'm getting the hang of cleaning up these reels and getting them back together, I guess you could say I'm "hooked"

Your Sea Gate is very cool. With that handle counter weight, I would say the reel is the last version. A 1942 model. Very nice reel.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 24, 2019, 04:19:32 AM
Thank you, Mike, for the great feedback! Mine had a brass main gear, but I replaced it with a steel one. I'm guessing it had steel originally?
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 26, 2019, 05:38:07 AM
QuoteThank you, Mike, for the great feedback! Mine had a brass main gear, but I replaced it with a steel one. I'm guessing it had steel originally?

Basically, the Sea Gate is a Long Beach with a different name. Internals are the same as the Long Beach. They probably came with both steel and or brass.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Crow on June 12, 2019, 07:22:59 PM
   I just tore into a Sea Gate.....Rosewood "football" knob, and hex click button, but no markings on the stand, at all...so. maybe a "replacement stand" , on a '41 reel ? Anyway, the old girl isn't in *too bad* shape, but was "taking turns" being "locked up", and having "no anti reverse", before I took it down, and.....here's where all of you will say. "Ha !"....when I took the headplate off, a dog fell out on the bench....I see no sign of a spring (the "Ha !" comes about here !), and I'm *sure* it didn't fall to the bench, or, shoot off into the sunset ! Thing is, when I looked at the schematic, At Mystic, it shows a "coil spring"and a dog with a "hump on his back", where the spring would "push against"....this dog has no "hump", so, I wonder if there should be a "flat spring ", instead of a coil, in these 'older model's"...I'll post a pic, or two, when I get the other computer going, but, I was going to order up some parts, and I'm wondering just WHAT I should order for a dog (this one is a bit chewed up...I suppose from jamming into the main gear ?), and spring, so I figured , maybe, one of you fella's could tell me  which is "correct". And, does the dog "hing" on one of the bridge screws (dog fell out before I removed those !), or on the cast-in bakelite "pin" on the inside of the headplate?.......Thanks
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Crow on June 12, 2019, 07:25:42 PM
   I just enlarged Mo's pix, and my dog looks to be the same as his.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Maxed Out on June 12, 2019, 08:14:25 PM

Crow, the blank seat is original to the reel.

Penn stopped stamping yardage in 1940, and from 1940-1950 there was no part # stamped on the seat.

Ted
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Crow on June 12, 2019, 08:39:53 PM
Thanks !! I figured it had to have either a part#, or a yardage . I just noticed another "issue" with it, when cleaning the plastic spool. The "two halves" of the spool have apparently 'broken loose", at the center "join". I ran into the same thing on another old, plastic spool (I suppose it was pressure" from using all mono line ???), that one, though, had also broken the solder join on the click wheel, so I could easily super glue the plastic "halves" together, then re solder the Gear wheel" to the shaft. Not sure what I'll try, on this one. Maybe I can put a little super glue into one of the "line tie" holes, and give the halves a quarter turn, to spread it around, before it sets ?
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: mo65 on June 12, 2019, 08:56:11 PM
Quote from: Crow on June 12, 2019, 07:22:59 PM
    I'm wondering just WHAT I should order for a dog (this one is a bit chewed up...I suppose from jamming into the main gear ?), and spring, so I figured , maybe, one of you fella's could tell me  which is "correct". And, does the dog "hing" on one of the bridge screws (dog fell out before I removed those !), or on the cast-in bakelite "pin" on the inside of the headplate?

   You said the magic word there Crow..."pin"...that pin is what the flat spring wraps around...so we know what you need! All the old Long Beach style reels(this includes the Seagate) use a #15-60 dog, so this is what you'll need to get:
 
                              https://www.mysticparts.com/15-60-Dog-P12552.aspx
                         
                             https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/14-155.aspx

   The original parts are no longer available, but these will work. Oh...almost forgot...the dog does hang on the bridge screw. 8)
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Crow on June 12, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
Thanks for the info !!  Here's a couple pix, "pre teardown"
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: oc1 on June 13, 2019, 07:56:03 AM
Quote from: Crow on June 12, 2019, 08:39:53 PM
Maybe I can put a little super glue into one of the "line tie" holes, and give the halves a quarter turn, to spread it around, before it sets ?
Try Loctite 770 primer followed by a CA like Loctite 406.
-steve
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Crow on June 13, 2019, 02:06:53 PM
Good idea, Steve, Thanks ! I doubt I ever "fish" this reel, but, if anyone ever did....with only half of the spool "pulling", it would sure make a mess! :o
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2019, 09:20:37 PM
   I followed Steve's advice, and used some Loctite products to "secure" the two spool halves, gave everything a good cleaning, and servicing, and threw the old gal together !  It's certainly no "beauty queen", but it fits with most of the others in my collection !
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: 1badf350 on June 17, 2019, 10:12:50 PM
Nice job!
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: AC49 on June 18, 2019, 04:10:33 PM
Good job there Crow. Love the original no number non-handle side bearing too  :o

Regards
AC49
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Crow on June 18, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
   Thanks, guys !  Yeah, I think the old girl was never "used" much....and that was a long time ago ! The bakelite...if not chipped or cracked...holds up very well, but the plating on all the metal parts, unfortunately, usually takes quite a hit ! There is quite a ways to go, in my learning curve, to get the "chrome" parts to look as good as most of the stuff others are doing, but, I guess I have time...I ain't dead yet !! :D
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: RadarRick on February 24, 2023, 10:27:12 PM
I've been watching this thread for a few days as I purchased a Seagate 125 last week.  It was delivered today and it hasn't disappointed.  Below are the seller's photo.

For its age, it seems to be in excellent condition.  With its hex clicker, rosewood knob, and "250 yds" stamp on the foot, it appears to be from 1941. 

The spool is not smooth, so I'm guessing there are internal issues.  I'll open it up soon and will report back.

I appreciate the info that you guys share in this site.  It is both informative and entertaining. 
Thanks!

Rick

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Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: 1badf350 on February 25, 2023, 12:49:38 AM
Thats a nice one Rick
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Deepennz on February 25, 2023, 03:14:46 AM
Hi Rick,
Well done - that is a lovely example of an early 1941, Hex clicker Seagate.
Be careful - be very, very careful -  collecting Seagates gets addictive!!
I have found 4 different wooden handled Seagates - 3 came with hex clickers.
1) The first variant came with a large coin edged counterweight, no "Penn Reel, made by Penn Fishing tackle etc" embossed on the tail plate, and the handle blade, and star were made of thicker brass plate, with sharp, square edges.
2) The second variant, which appears to be what you have, still had the handle and star made of thicker plate, but the counterweight has no coin edging, and has a lower, wider profile. These Seagates also represent when Penn first started molding their "Penn Reel, made by Penn Fishing Tackle....etc" on the back plates of the Seagates, and Longbeaches.
3) The third variant is similar to yours, but the handle blade, and star are made of thinner brass plate, with more rounded edges. These seem to be the most common Hex clicker Seagate. I believe Penn must have been forced to change to thinner brass plate and plastic spools in 1941 due to the increasing demand for brass for munitions as the wars in Europe and Asia heated up.
4) The fourth variant, wooden handled Seagate I have found must have been produced next - no Hex clicker, thin brass blade and star, and no locking nut and screw on the handle - just a screwdriver slotted screw as found on the smaller Penn conventionals.
The later 1941/42 Seagates had ordinary 'kiss'clickers, and they reverted back to (some lovely) colored catalin handles.
The pre Hex clicker Seagates can also be found with colored spools - always well sought after. I have a brown/burgundy spooled Seagate, and a white spool model.
As I said earlier - Be careful! Seagates are fun, but addictive!!
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: RadarRick on February 25, 2023, 10:25:39 PM
thanks Chris & Martin

I forgot to include the best photo:

IMG_1346.jpg

This was what impressed me the most - apart from slight scuffing, it looks like new. 

I removed the tailplate and spool and found everything to be in good shape.  However, it was totally dry inside.  The reel had been lubricated at some time as the dry grease residue is evident.  It seems that this reel hasn't been used for a long time and did not see much fishing action. 

Martin, that's a fascinating review of the Seagate history - thanks very much.  I had no idea there would be so many changes within a fairly short time.  Do each of the versions that you outline belong to a specific production year?  As you have demonstrated, there are some serious rabbit holes in the Seagate story and I will heed your warning. 
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: RadarRick on February 26, 2023, 01:17:51 AM
I'm not sure how I'm doubling up on my photos. I'll work on this.
Title: Re: 125 Seagate
Post by: Deepennz on February 26, 2023, 02:58:32 AM
Hi Rick,
The Penn Seagates were first produced in 1939 - for one year only. These are quite uncommon/a hard find!
Penn then skipped a year, and recommenced production from 1941, until about August? 1942, when Penn ceased reel production, and made widgets for the War effort!
All the Hex Clicker Seagates are from 1941. These '41/41 Seagates are surprisingly common for a 20 month production run.
If you haven't already done so, and are interested in old Penn reels, the I suggest you buy, beg, steal or borrow copies of Mike Cacioppo's 3 books on the history of Penn reels.
You mentioned that 'slight scuffing' on the tail plate - next time you have the plate off, give it a polish with good
old black shoe polish - buff it up and you (hopefully) will be impressed!!
Cheers
Martin