Reel Repair by Alan Tani

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Quote from: mikeysm on May 08, 2024, 04:24:22 PMWho is driving up and who is flying in.

Mike

Driving up with Juan.

At least that's the plan now.

Where do you live Mike?

I live in Atwater ca. I will be taking my van up. I lived up in Redmond before Microsoft ruined it. People from California moved in and prices skyrocketed overnight. I packed up and came back home. I guess you can't get away from the crazy people here. Just look at Colorado, Texas, Arizona and Florida. And now Tennessee all the crazy people ruining their states. You cant escape  it. Maybe they will all leave california and things might change for the good.

Thank you for the great rundown Ron! I'd be happy to start a text group for the trip. If everyone PMs me their number I will get it set up.

Nick

I've seen all kinds of gear, but I think the 4/0 (even the extra narrow) is bigger than you need. 501s are awesome, The 146 sized Newell would be great, my ProGear CS 501s can't be beat. Of course, the same sized lever drag will work as well.

I would run whatever your 20 or light 30 pound long range rod is and you'll be fine. I bring a 6-6 fiberglass jig stick for bait if I'm not using the boats gear, and an 8ft graphite rod for throwing iron. Last year, a dude did real good with swim baits, so you might bring 3-4 of those in the 6 inch range if that is your thing. Sometimes a split shot a few feet in front of a live chovie is the ticket, especially if you don't know how to get your bait deep.

This is NOT a LR trip. Don't bring your SKB box with the kitchen sink. If you've been to Cedros, the Boss' rule works; everything fits in a gallon zip lock (I usually bring 3 medium Planos.) If you bring NO gear, you will fish bait with Dwight's gear and catch just as many fish as us gear whinnies.

I REALLY like 30# braid to floro, especially the thin floro where 30 is 20 diameter. The skipper is a 20# guy, and can catch fish, well like a Skipper. Ted has fished a lot of 30# mono, and the skipper has tied a lot of 20# top shots onto Ted's 30# mono (I watched him.)

Don't let the gear get in the way of having fun. Of course, I tell guys doing their first LR that too and they NEVER listen.

Wayne and I were talking, and it would be a great idea if we could put together a group bring list: Someone bring napkins, someone bring X,Y,Z. Water, lots of drinking water. For 10 guys I'd think a few of the big rectangles of water would work for everyone. If we could figure out dinner, that would be great. Normally everyone swaps whatever munchies they've brought, it isn't always satisfying.

Don't bring too many clothes, their is NOT a lot of room, it isn't the SOA. I bring fresh skivvies for the fishing morning, and put on the clothes that I wear onto the boat back on the last day because the clothes you wear on the whole day of fishing are going to be nasty. You can wear all the rubber from Grunden's you want. Bibs, jacket, boots, body condom, albacore blood is going to soak through your clothes and when you change your skivvies you are going to ask yourself "how did blood get there?"

Hope that helps
The Man

Quote from: mikeysm on May 08, 2024, 04:24:22 PMWho is driving up and who is flying in.

Mike

Driving up with Juan.

At least that's the plan now.

Where do you live Mike?

Quote from: Maxed Out on May 08, 2024, 10:19:35 PMCould be wrong eccentric, or maybe jack tabs need to be bent out a bit more. Also make sure you have the correct screws for your yoke. Fully threaded screws will make shifting to Freespool much tougher as the yoke slides down those screws.

Thats certainly a possibility. I'll have to give the jack a closer look.

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Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on May 08, 2024, 07:29:01 PMI'm gonna ask a question that may make me sound really dumb. Is the handle spinning forward in freespool when the reel is sitting still, or only during a cast? Do you have an aftermarket handle on it? Or just a handle that is not counterbalanced? If so it'll swing forward on a cast because of the unbalanced weight. Is that possibly what's happening?

Not dumb at all. I appreciate any ideas or opinions that could help solve the problem. To answer your question, the handle is the original factory handle.

Quote from: jurelometer on May 08, 2024, 06:44:49 PMWell, if the problem is not the handle turning backward, and the reel is not all grindy when this is happening, I think that it is unlikely to be clutch bearing or pinion related.

When not in freespool, the spool to the handle is a continuous mechanical  connection, with the exception of the drag stack. If the something was failing mechanically, you would feel the grinding and see the marks on the  gear teeth or pinion to spool junction.  The turning parts are not able to temporarily and smoothly disconnect.

If the drag was slipping, well that is what the drag is supposed to do.  A sticky/uneven drag be apparent when pulling line and not just winding.

That leaves  line slipping on the spool, which happens mostly with PE braid, and it is fairly common to not consider this as a possible root cause.  Put a temporary mark on the spool and on the line next to each other, crank up the drag and pull hard.  If the marks  lose alignment, you have a slipping line fill in the spool.


I would suspect that the handle spinning forward on the cast is a separate problem. If the handle spins forward during  the cast, then it should be permanently stuck in freespool, since turning the handle is what  turns the ratchet that disengages freespool.

If turning the handle eventually causes the reel to kick into gear , something has to be sticky in the shift arm mechanism. You can pull out the gears and yoke, and operate the whole  mechanism to see what is going on here.  Maybe a 975 expert can jump in, but don't forget the less obvious stuff like a screw holding a rotating or sliding part being a smidgen too tight, or the sliding surface on the inner sideplate being worn, or the slot in the trip arm being worn a bit, etc.

I guess that it is possible that both problems are tied together because the reel is hovering between freespool and engaged due to a sticky shift arm, but this would be doing some violence to the spool to pinion junction, which should be quite visible.

Hope this helps, and let us know what you find!

-J

Those are good ideas. I'll try to answer them point by point to try and paint an accurate picture of what's happening.

The reel doesn't sound or feel grindy at all. Smooth as silk. The teeth on the main gear and the pinion are in good condition. There are no worn or broken teeth.

I am positive the line isn't slipping on the spool. The reel is lined with 20LB Ande clear mono with a 50LB top shot. I'm one of the holdouts who doesn't use braid. What is actually happening, is when reeling in the weight, or reeling in a fish, the handle occasionally feels like it actually disengages. In other words, I'm cranking the handle, but the spool isn't retrieving any line. I will say this, if it offers any clues, when I push/pull the handle in and out, it does feel like it has an inordinate amount of play back and forth.

The handle spinning forward occurs occasionally when making a cast. The trip ratchet was one of parts I replaced when I first acquired the reel. The free spool button wouldn't disengage, would only partially disengage when the handle was turned. The trip ratchet appeared worn, and the new one solved that problem. The free spool button works flawlessly now, and has never even popped up when putting muscle behind a cast.

It's interesting that you brought up the shift arm, as I'm feeling this may at least be part of the problem. There is a post on the end of the shift arm that engages the trip ratchet when the free spool button is depressed. On examination, it looks like the side of the post that engages with the trip ratchet is worn at a 45 degree angle. Perhaps this could be causing problems. If I have a few minutes this weekend, I'll disassemble the reel and post up some pics of the internals. Maybe something can be noticed that I'm overlooking.

 Could be wrong eccentric, or maybe jack tabs need to be bent out a bit more. Also make sure you have the correct screws for your yoke. Fully threaded screws will make shifting to Freespool much tougher as the yoke slides down those screws.