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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => D.A.M. Quick => Topic started by: Chuck750ss on November 27, 2017, 02:20:55 AM

Title: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 27, 2017, 02:20:55 AM
Would 20-25$ shipped be a pretty good price for one of these reels? One that is in good working order, emblem and fish still in good shape. Just normal scuffs and scratches. Been watching a few on fleabay and the ones in the 30-40$ range don't seem to be selling right now.
And size wise, how would this reel compare to the Penn single zero ss series?
Been reading all I can find on these DAM reels. Thinking about starting a "gathering "(I don't really collect, just seem to gather stuff. And I like old fishing reels)
Old and robust. Kinda like me.
BTW, almost no chance of finding one local at garage sale etc where I live.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Midway Tommy on November 27, 2017, 02:33:05 AM
That's not a bad price based on the info you gave. A 330N is a light/medium sized freshwater reel, probably in the 450SS range. I doubt you will find one much cheaper since it cost about $9.00 to ship one. If you're patient, though, you can find one NIB in the $40-$50 range. It all depends on what your expectations and budget are.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 27, 2017, 02:50:18 AM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on November 27, 2017, 02:33:05 AM
That's not a bad price based on the info you gave. A 330N is a light/medium sized freshwater reel, probably in the 450SS range. I doubt you will find one much cheaper since it cost about $9.00 to ship one. If you're patient, though, you can find one NIB in the $40-$50 range. It all depends on what your expectations and budget are.
Not looking for any newbies at this point. Just want to get my hands on one and see if I will like it as much as I think I will. If not I can put it back up on eBay and probably get my money back.
Thanks for replying.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: foakes on November 27, 2017, 04:15:09 AM
While the 330N is a very good reel, Chuck --

The 330 is much stronger and tougher.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 27, 2017, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: foakes on November 27, 2017, 04:15:09 AM
While the 330N is a very good reel, Chuck --

The 330 is much stronger and tougher.

Best,

Fred
Thanks. Another case of the "new" model not as well built as the old?
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: festus on November 27, 2017, 06:36:20 PM
Some good alternatives to the 330N that are the same size are the  older Finessa 280 and 285.  There are over a dozen of those on ebay right now from 15 to 30 bucks.

I have this Finessa 285 made in 1964.  Lucked out and got it for 8 bucks at a fishing flea market.  All it needed was one washer to get it back to normal. 
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Decker on November 27, 2017, 07:47:15 PM
I just picked up a 330 on Goodwill. Seems close to my Spinfisher 550SS, but slower.   Is there a thread on the site that gives specs of different DAM Quick spinners?   
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Midway Tommy on November 28, 2017, 04:29:04 AM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on November 27, 2017, 12:03:28 PM

Thanks. Another case of the "new" model not as well built as the old?

There are no perfectly designed reels, depending on ones expectations, although a few come close. They all have pluses & minuses. The early Finessas, 330s and 330Ns will all last a lifetime if they're cared for, maintained and treated with respect. They'll all also catch fish if the bait's put in the proper location.   
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 28, 2017, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: festus on November 27, 2017, 06:36:20 PM
Some good alternatives to the 330N that are the same size are the  older Finessa 280 and 285.  There are over a dozen of those on ebay right now from 15 to 30 bucks.

I have this Finessa 285 made in 1964.  Lucked out and got it for 8 bucks at a fishing flea market.  All it needed was one washer to get it back to normal. 
Looking at one. If it is a Finessa will it be a 280 or 285? Or do I need to ask seller to state the exact model he is selling? Not hung up on the 330. Really just want a dam reel so  I can evaluate one personally.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: festus on November 28, 2017, 04:07:50 PM
The 280 is the older model, not much different than the 285 other than cosmetically. The 280 has smooth black paint while the 285 has crinkle black paint. There may be some difference in handle knobs.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 28, 2017, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: festus on November 28, 2017, 04:07:50 PM
The 280 is the older model, not much different than the 285 other than cosmetically. The 280 has smooth black paint while the 285 has crinkle black paint. There may be some difference in handle knobs.
Thanks again. BTW, there is a group of 5  dam spinners for repair on eBay right now . Thought you might be interested. If I knew more about them I would look at them. But I don't.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: festus on November 28, 2017, 07:23:59 PM
I saw those, if four of those reels weren't the same size I'd be interested. That little 110 caught my eye so I'm still watching.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Midway Tommy on November 28, 2017, 09:06:19 PM
Quote from: festus on November 28, 2017, 07:23:59 PM
I saw those, if four of those reels weren't the same size I'd be interested. That little 110 caught my eye "so I'm still watching."

You and, right now, 12 others.  ;)
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: festus on November 29, 2017, 06:18:54 PM
To anyone interested, there are four 331 high speed reels for sale in Bucharest, Romania.  ::)
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 30, 2017, 02:40:48 AM
Got a 330 for 22.50 shipped. Wait and see now. Don't think I hurt myself. Does seem to be more demand for the 330 than the 330n.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: happyhooker on December 01, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
That's doesn't sound terribly bad for a 330 in good shape.  Let us know what you think after awhile.  I have been satisfied with a 220 (not"N")(my 1st DAM Q) I fished a few times this summer.

Frank
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 02:38:43 AM
Quote from: happyhooker on December 01, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
That's doesn't sound terribly bad for a 330 in good shape.  Let us know what you think after awhile.  I have been satisfied with a 220 (not"N")(my 1st DAM Q) I fished a few times this summer.

Frank
Will do. Couple more just ended with no bids for a couple of dollars less. Probably keep it even if I don't like it. From what I have seen, the little 110 is in high demand.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Midway Tommy on December 02, 2017, 05:27:39 AM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 02:38:43 AM
Quote from: happyhooker on December 01, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
That's doesn't sound terribly bad for a 330 in good shape.  Let us know what you think after awhile.  I have been satisfied with a 220 (not"N")(my 1st DAM Q) I fished a few times this summer.

Frank
Will do. Couple more just ended with no bids for a couple of dollars less. Probably keep it even if I don't like it. From what I have seen, the little 110 is in high demand.


That's not unique just to the smaller Dams like the Microlite, 110, 110N, 1000, 1001, etc. Seems like any of the quality made older ultra lights seem to bring a fairly high amount.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on December 02, 2017, 05:27:39 AM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 02:38:43 AM
Quote from: happyhooker on December 01, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
That's doesn't sound terribly bad for a 330 in good shape.  Let us know what you think after awhile.  I have been satisfied with a 220 (not"N")(my 1st DAM Q) I fished a few times this summer.

Frank
Will do. Couple more just ended with no bids for a couple of dollars less. Probably keep it even if I don't like it. From what I have seen, the little 110 is in high demand.

Yes I agree. I did get lucky a few months ago and picked up a mint 420ss at less than the going price. Just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

That's not unique just to the smaller Dams like the Microlite, 110, 110N, 1000, 1001, etc. Seems like any of the quality made older ultra lights seem to bring a fairly high amount.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:45:57 PM
Reel came in today. First impressions. It is in better shape than the pictures showed. It is very smooth. Notice the rotor wobble. Nothing terrible bad. Probably will not notice when it is on a rod. Do wonder why the Germans did not balance these. All my old Mitchell 300 made in France are balanced.
Overall first impression is I am quite impressed. And that ain't easy to do.
Will report back after I clean and lube.
Will be adding more dam reels to my collection.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
BTW, what are the differences between the 330 and the 330n? Fred stated that that the 330 is bettter. And I do believe Fred knows what he is talking about!
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:59:04 PM
And one more DAM question. ;D Has anyone experiment with balancing a rotor on one of these reels?
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Midway Tommy on December 02, 2017, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:59:04 PM
And one more DAM question. ;D Has anyone experiment with balancing a rotor on one of these reels?

Yes, there is some discussion here: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=21460.msg232868#msg232868

Always remember, though, that spooled line and lure or fish resistance can make quite of bit of difference in the actual balance. Just because it feels balanced without a load doesn't mean it will perform well under stress or vice versa.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on December 02, 2017, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:59:04 PM
And one more DAM question. ;D Has anyone experiment with balancing a rotor on one of these reels?

Yes, there is some discussion here: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=21460.msg232868#msg232868

Always remember, though, that spooled line and lure or fish resistance can make quite of bit of difference in the actual balance. Just because it feels balanced without a load doesn't mean it will perform well under stress or vice versa.


10-4.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: festus on December 02, 2017, 06:58:18 PM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
BTW, what are the differences between the 330 and the 330n? Fred stated that that the 330 is bettter. And I do believe Fred knows what he is talking about!
I don't have a 330 or 330N, but do have the 220 and 220N which are similar to compare.  The two obvious differences are in the anti-reverse assembly and bail assembly.  The anti-reverse in the 330 is much stronger than the 330N.  The bail mechanisms are completely different also.  The N series bail mechanisms are much more difficult to work on because of a teeny c-clip that's a pain.  But the 330N has a cam that will let you adjust strength of bail return. 

Quote from: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:59:04 PM
And one more DAM question. ;D Has anyone experiment with balancing a rotor on one of these reels?
Never had a problem with rotor balancing, once the reel is mounted on the rod and spooled with line, the wobble has always gone away.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: festus on December 02, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
One more thing, the 330 can be switched from left hand retrieve to right hand retrieve.  You can't do that with a 330N.  Also the 330 has three side plate screws, the 330N only has one.
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: festus on December 02, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
One more thing, the 330 can be switched from left hand retrieve to right hand retrieve.  You can't do that with a 330N.  Also the 330 has three side plate screws, the 330N only has one.


Thanks
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: happyhooker on December 03, 2017, 02:26:44 AM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on December 02, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
...what are the differences between the 330 and the 330n?

On the 330, the A/R lever is right behind the handle; on the 330N, it is a lever under the body right behind the rotor. I do not know the complete interchangeability of parts between them, but understand there are many that do NOT interchange.

There was a thread on this site where one of the members talked about his technique in balancing rotors;  I remember replying to it 3-4 months ago or so.

Frank
Title: Re: 330n question
Post by: Chuck750ss on December 15, 2017, 12:34:59 AM
Follow up. Disassembled, cleaned and lubed. Very impressed with the quality and craftsmanship. No telling what it would cost today if they were still making them.
  All the parts were in excellent condition. You could tell it had been used, but that's all. The grease in it was one of the old yellow grease types. Don't know if it was the original or not . A bit stiff, but not as stiff as a couple of the older Penns I have cleaned.(420+750) The pinion  pinion bearing? Built to last. Gears and bushings looked like new after I cleaned them. Simple. No hidden springs to go flying off into the sunset. (Lost one out of a pistol one time. In my living room. Still lost after 20 or so years!)
Going to let wife use it for bass fishing.
One thing. Line roller does not seem to be turning. So smooth I can't tell for sure.
I believe it would last many,many years with a little tlc.
I think my next one will be a Super. May be awhile. I just purchased a 5001 and another 700 baitcaster for my Christmas presents. My reel budget is pretty much depleted for now.