Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Abu Garcia/Garcia/Mitchell => Topic started by: newfuturevintage on October 03, 2017, 03:23:46 PM

Title: So that's why the drag on my 302 felt weird
Post by: newfuturevintage on October 03, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
I had a 302 that had a funny feeling drag and thought I'd do the penn 6-155 washer update to it in an effort to get it behaving properly.

Looks like what was in there was all steel, no 'C' washer, and a few bonus washers were included for fun. Were there no fiber washers in this thing originally?

I'm reminded of Fred's assertion that the 302/402 assembly is "needlessly complicated" :)

The update worked great, looking forward to fishing this again!
Title: Re: So that's why the drag on my 302 felt weird
Post by: foakes on October 03, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
This is how we learn -- by thinking, experimenting, attempting -- and possibly most of all...having a comfortable understanding of how these parts were engineered to go together and why.

But there is no reason, that they cannot be improved upon -- as we become more familiar with their operation and some of the new products and lubes available.

Good figuring out!

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: So that's why the drag on my 302 felt weird
Post by: handi2 on October 03, 2017, 06:02:01 PM
Originally they are all brass washers. What most people prefer is the carbon drag washers with the brass click washers removed. I use 5 carbon washers greased with Cal's. Its so much smoother.
Title: Re: So that's why the drag on my 302 felt weird
Post by: newfuturevintage on October 03, 2017, 07:29:41 PM
Thanks, Fred!

Quote from: handi2 on October 03, 2017, 06:02:01 PM
Originally they are all brass washers. What most people prefer is the carbon drag washers with the brass click washers removed. I use 5 carbon washers greased with Cal's. Its so much smoother.

I did 4 Penn washers and kept the clicker, probably more for nostalgia than anything else :)

Interesting to learn about the brass...In this reel's previous stack, the only brass part was the "+" washer at the top right of the pic; everything but that and I think the top hat washer stuck nicely to a fridge magnet.

Haven't greased the washers yet, but will when I finally get around to ordering some Cal's.
Title: Re: So that's why the drag on my 302 felt weird
Post by: paulo57t09 on October 04, 2017, 01:44:12 PM
Here's the drag stacks from two 302's that I'm currently working on, laid out as they came out of the spool.

(https://s1.postimg.org/6dzg5xxq8f/drag_stack_comparo.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4bjnhvz56z/)

These were previously disassembled by me 20 or so years ago (I'm the original owner of both).  IIRC at the time, I was stumped because nothing in them resembled the little yellow sticker on the bottom of the spool.  I just re-stuffed them as close to the diagram as I could.  The drags clicked/adjusted after re-assembly so I figured they were good to go.

Needlessly complicated and a bit puzzling to say the least:

Top Stack: First indexed washer is steel and bent in half like a spring washer.  Another steel is a double-D washer that was under the spring.  There's a missing a copper double-D.

Bottom Stack: First indexed washer is Teflon.  No steels.  Split nut and no spring washer on top.

I'm fixing to just do the HT-100 conversion on both.
Title: Re: So that's why the drag on my 302 felt weird
Post by: newfuturevintage on October 04, 2017, 08:49:39 PM
maybe we should have a contest for the greatest number of washers to come out of one of these stacks :)