Alan, or any other knowledgable reel guys, is there any way to improve the life of the pinion bearing on the Avet HX, JX, and LX. I love these reels but I am having to replace these bearings pretty frequently. I use these pretty hard at higher drag settings since we are pulling on big yellowtail in Baja Mexico waters and typically use 80 lb. spectra with 60 mono and have the drags set pretty high, so I am sure that is playing into the problem, but our old Penns and Diawas do not have the problem.
So, do I try to upgrade to much better bearings, use a different grease, or just buy a big supply of bearings and replace them on a very regular basis?
Also, do the LX, JX, and HX use different bearings for the pinion bearing. Avet is not really supplying much information as to size so I do not know which bearings to order.
there are a couple of things going on here. one, if you exceed a certain load on any of the smaller avet reels, you will blow out the right main side plate bearing. you will know that you are damaging the reel because you will note a slight resistance when you turn the handle. with that first turn, you have just damaged the bearing. the more you turn, the more damage you are causing.
even if your drag range is low enough, water can still intrude. avet's bearings are actually well packed with grease. water can get in, so they should be repacked. i like the yamaha product for that application.
and lastly, avet's bearings. they generally charge $5 per bearing regardless of size. part of that is service to their customers, the other part is that they are inexpensive to begin with. the bearings from smoothdrag.com or bocabearings.com are a much higher quality. it would be worth switching over to a higher quality bearing, but only if you will pack it with grease AND keep the drag below a certain range. otherwise, stick with the cheap avet bearings and just replace them as you go. alan
Alan,
Over the last couple years, I have purchased a few pre-owned Avet. Most have been great buy with no issue. However, I have an Avet MXL MC 2spd that have this clicking sound that is really bugging me. The clicking sound is not consistent to every drag lever engaged... sometime the reel is butter smooth, sometime the clicking sound is light, and sometime it's loud. But in free spool there is never a sign of a failed bearing. When the clicking sound is apparent, it's consistent to the revolution of the spool so I assumed and immediately replaced the spool bearings and the brake bearing. That did not remedy the clicking sound.
What is the symtom when these Avet pinion bearing goes out? Have you come across the symtoms that I have described?
on a couple of avet's that i worked on, the bearing cup in the spool was milled out too much. the result was that the bearing was too loose and the spool made noise. i fixed it by punching four little divots in the bearing cup using a small punch. that took up enough room that the bearing no longer wobbled. check your's to see if you have any axial play.
Thank you Alan. I'll check it out tomorrow.
Alan, do the divots interfere with bearing removal?
it tightens things up a little, but the aluminum is pretty soft and should pose no problems.
Rather than use a thrust bearing and/or a flanged angular contact bearing Avet uses a deep grove bearing for their pinion bearings. I've seen these bearings crack and break on the thin outer race, usually caused by someone stetting the drag far too high and then shoving (forcing) the drag lever to full. One reel was dropped under load and the pinion bearing outer race broke all the way around.
Avet is using the wrong bearings in this application as far as this ignorant sheep farmer is concerned.
well, you're not the only one..... :-\
Could someone tell me what Spec of bearing Avet uses, would be helpful to know what quality I'm replacing to make sure I'm putting in a better product
the are blue seal abec-5's. of course, there are good abec-5's and bad abec-5's. avet's bearings are not the highest quality.
Quote from: alantani on February 06, 2012, 07:37:38 AM
the are blue seal abec-5's. of course, there are good abec-5's and bad abec-5's. avet's bearings are not the highest quality.
I also have issue with the avet bearing but just call them for more.
If I were to buy better abec-5 how would I know who makes the higher quality?
smoothdrag.com has a decent inventory of bearings. i do not know what the sizes of your bearings are offhand, but dawn should know. when you actually have the bearing in hand, you can press on the inside race and feel some roughness. that's how you can tell.
in looking at m MXJ schematic, i see two spool brgs, a brake bearing, the spindle bearing, the 2 drive shaft brgs and the two in the handle, to me it looks like the pinion gear is suported by the brake bearing ? So the drag lever cam places pressure onto the pinion brg, the pinion, then to the brake , then to the spool, release of lever lets the spring washers and spool spring push the brake back from the spool. correct me if i'm wrong. since the brake brg is smaller than the pinion brg, can i assume it'll be the failure point ? brake brg in my schematic is #17, the pinion brg is # 23. does anyone have the dimensions for these two ? should I just call Dawn at smooth drag and ask, I could do that on Monday, but I's still like to lok at the Boca site if i knew the sizes/
Thanks, Derek
i can't find reference to a .185" id bearings,,,,,,, 3/16 = .1875 is an industry standard, .5 od and .1960 makes it an R3 brg.
here is the link to 4 pages of this size brg on Boca brg,
http://www.bocabearings.com/search.aspx?SearchType=StartDimension&radix=inch&Inner=0.1875&Outer=0.5000&Width=0.1960&InnerOperator=%3d&OuterOperator=%3d&WidthOperator=%3d
I looked at 4 different brg, a abec 3 and a couple abec 5, and one with abec5 but ceramic balls, all have the same ratings for dynamic load and basic load as expressed in Kgf ? not sure what that is, but I can google it ? I'l loook at the cheapest brg this size and see it those numbers go down ?? Abec 1 non stainless brg , same ratings, though I know the difference between abec 1 and 5 ( RC Helicopter with electric motor turning 32 K rpm ) sorry for the ramble
the other side is .1875 by .375 by .125, standard brg is a R166 ( AVET JX ) !!
http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-inventory/Radial-Bearings/9851/0-1875x0-3750x0-1250-SR166ZZ5
compared to the bigger brg, the load date is
R166 brg dynamic load 72 Kgf, basic load 28 Kgf Avet JX small
R3 brg 133 kgf 50 Kgf Avet JX and MXL large brg
R156 brg dynamic load 37Kgf !! basic load 15 Kgf Avet MXL small brg
so are we seeing the little brg fail ( brake brg ) ??
http://www.bocabearings.com/search.aspx?SearchType=StartDimension&radix=inch&Inner=0.1875&Outer=0.3125&Width=0.1250&InnerOperator=%3d&OuterOperator=%3d&WidthOperator=%3d
R156 is .1875 by .3125 by .125
this is the MX bearing, post above is the JX
http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-inventory/Oil-Filled-Bushings/11109/0-1875x0-3125x0-1250-B316X516F
same size bushing, won't ever crack, but not sure how smooth that pinion will be and how quickly it might wear out ?
Sooooo skered....did u ever change the bearing?
New guy here. I dont know if this will help, but this might be something that will help with the binding.
http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-inventory/Angular-Contact-Bearings/19872/0-2500x0-6250x0-1960-SSMDR4ZZSD501FA5P58LY48P
Looks like an angular contact bearing that is the correct size. Little on the spendy side however. What do you guys think, is it worth the cost for giggles?
whoa, that's the cost of a single speed Avet...
Plus I believe you need two. Left spool bearing.....
That's a lot of Dough for bearings. I am starting to think differently of getting an avet now.
Alan, You are a Master!
whoa!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
ok, someone sent me a set a while back. you need to get back to me, please!!!!!
I also spent quite a bit of money on the bearings for my LX 6/3, but since I don't buy reels just to have them, I hope that the money spent will keep my LX 6/3 going for a long time -as i only use this reel for deep sea fishing.
Anyway, thought I'd share the info on the bearings selected by BOCA and which original bearings they replaced:
2 x SR1038C-YZZ AF2 164383 I (0.3750 x 0.6250 x 0.1562 in.)
2 x SR166C-ZZ #7 NB2 164383 I (0.1875 x 0.3750 x 0.1250 in.)
1 x SR1601C-YXX/C3 LGF 164383 I (0.1875 x 0.6875 x 0.2500 in.)
1 x SR4C-ZZ #7 LD 164383 I (0.25 x 0.625 x 0.196 in.)
The two smallest bearings replaced these two original bearings:
#17 - Brake Bearing LX6/3-017
#14- Spool Bearing LX6/3-014
The biggest bearing replaced this original bearing:
#7 - Spool Bearing LX6/3-007
The last two bearings, identical in size, replaced the last two original bearings:
#24 - Pinion Bearing LX6/3-024
#40 - Drive Shaft Bearing (2 req.) LX6/3-040
Yesterday I recieved my new Team Daiwa Z-Boat 30LB Class rod - which feels perfect with the LX 6/3, now with the new T-Bar handle installed.
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/stadjon/lx1_zpsa2e6b820.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/stadjon/media/lx1_zpsa2e6b820.jpg.html)
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/stadjon/teamdaiwa1_zpsb298b48e.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/stadjon/media/teamdaiwa1_zpsb298b48e.jpg.html)
Hey the handle is on the wrong side of your reel :) Do you use a harness for 30 lb test or is the bracket used to secure a lanyard when trolling?
Quote from: SoCalAngler on June 08, 2013, 04:15:25 PM
Hey the handle is on the wrong side of your reel :) Do you use a harness for 30 lb test or is the bracket used to secure a lanyard when trolling?
Haha if there's ONE thing I hear a lot, it's talk about the handle being on "the wrong side". :D I'm hopelessly lefthanded - can't use a reel with a righthand handle. That's one of the main reasons I chose Avet when I bought the reel a few years ago. Seeing people fishing for instance topwater with right handed lowprofile reels.. it just looks so wrong to me. :D
The bracket is made for the purpose of a harness, that's correct. The lower part of my back sometimes takes a beating when fishing in deep water, so I installed it a couple of years ago just in case. So far I've managed using a PENN hip-belt, hope things will stay that way..
Quote from: alantani on June 06, 2013, 03:54:17 PM
whoa!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
ok, someone sent me a set a while back. you need to get back to me, please!!!!!
Any update?
i still have them. :-\
Quote from: alantani on December 06, 2013, 04:38:07 AM
i still have them. :-\
Alan - the bearing would would replace the pinion in the SX correct? What's your cost for one?
Sorry guys, I didn't ever change the bearings, my reels sees 5 or 6 trips a year for salmon, sitting on anchor in the Columbia with 16 to 24 oz. to keep lure on the bottom. I also did one trip for salmon in the ocean (no luck). I hope to put it to use trolling for albacore this summer.
Cheers
Aaargh! Once again, the pinion bearing on my LX 6/3 has failed. This time it was a BOCA product, but the reason for failure is - as mentioned by me and others in previous topics here - due to the use of the reel (deep sea fishing, heavy sinkers, sometimes strong surface current which gives a bad angle upon retrieve, the weight of fish etc).
Isn't there a smart head here who can make a sleeve or something for me to replace this bearing with? ;D I really wish that this reel could take the pressure, I never catch big fish but the toll of the sinker etc seems to break the bearing anyway..
If there was a Plan B for what could work instead of a bearing, I'd be happy to try it out. I also wonder if the Release LG reel is capable of handling my kind of use for such a reel.. It's frustrating never knowing when my reel will fail. :(
Quote from: Jon_Kol on September 06, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
Aaargh! Once again, the pinion bearing on my LX 6/3 has failed. This time it was a BOCA product, but the reason for failure is - as mentioned by me and others in previous topics here - due to the use of the reel (deep sea fishing, heavy sinkers, sometimes strong surface current which gives a bad angle upon retrieve, the weight of fish etc).
Isn't there a smart head here who can make a sleeve or something for me to replace this bearing with? ;D I really wish that this reel could take the pressure, I never catch big fish but the toll of the sinker etc seems to break the bearing anyway..
If there was a Plan B for what could work instead of a bearing, I'd be happy to try it out. I also wonder if the Release LG reel is capable of handling my kind of use for such a reel.. It's frustrating never knowing when my reel will fail. :(
The only option would be a thrust bearing with a radial bearing combination or an angular contact bearing, but those can be very expensive.
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Isn't there a smart head here who can make a sleeve or something for me to replace this bearing with?
QuoteThe only option would be a thrust bearing with a radial bearing combination or an angular contact bearing, but those can be very expensive.
I've tried that, and more. It does not help.
I have been intending to come 'round and write a big long post about it, but haven't quite gotten around to it. But the bottom line says no. As yet, anyway. I still have a couple of minor variations on the theme left to try, but as yet the results have not been encouraging.
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I'm still very new to dealing with various bearing issues, but I'm curious about this particular bearing.. When I removed it, opened it, cleaned it and "took it for a spin", it span much better than any of the other bearings. Still, there's that slight "grinding" feeling when turning/spinning it. Is there a way to see if a bearing is damaged? I looked at it from every angle, and the only thing I kinda noticed is that a couple of the ceramic balls seem to sit closer to the race than the others. No idea if this is related at all to the bearing feeling worn, it was just something that I noticed and snapped a few pictures of.
Hi, I realize this is a subject that has been beaten to death but as I was replacing the pinion bearing in my MXJ 5.8 MC, it occurred to me that perhaps a small Thrust washer installed behind the pinion bearing (between the bearing and frame) may help in relieving the pressure of the inner race of the bearing. The washer diameter would be only as big as the inner race and the thickness would depend on the gap between the bearing and case.
Would this be a viable option?
Thanks,
Ken
Jon,
The usual way to check the bearing is by feel as you have already done, there are other ways but cost more than a new bearing. When in doubt...replace.
WT(alpha soup) is with Boca wanting something on the order of $1.06 to download a catalog? Pretty sure I've read every post, didn't get a reliable list for an Avet MXL6/4, that I am not opposed to modding. Engineer by day, never in a long and pretty unremarkable career has a vendor offered to sell me their catalog. To the contrary, I recall a rather giddy Swagelok sales engr. digging deep to produce a spanking new hard bound Tube Bender's Manual, telling me mech engrs are always trying to get them. Hang on to it!...I did for a few yrs until a mech pal and I were yakking and somehow that manual came up in conversation. Gave it to him without me having ever cracking the binding, still in an onion skin sort of dust jacket...Until now Boca wants to charge me for of all things a pdf.
Before the internet and Al Gore I had a couple book shelves loaded with vendor data books and catalogs. Used frequently and necessary to my occupation. All provided at the manufacturer's/vendor's entire expense. If I spent an hour on the phone, boxes would arrive to my office over then next few weeks and I needed another bookshelf. If boca is the only alternative, I'm running Avet to failure first and replacing it if and when that happens. YHTBSM