I have another neglected newell reel, its a S338-5 model, the owner forgot he have it and the reel spent years on a humid corner, the main gear was kind stuck to the sleeve but I managed to take it out without much effort but the pinion its practically frozen to the spool shaft and I have no place to put anything to use as lever and lift the pinion or something.
Already tried heat with a heatgun, days submerged on WD-40 and another similar lubricants but no avail.
I don't know if the pinion is already shot, maybe there is no other way than use a locking pliers and force it and search for a main + pinion for the reel afterwards.
any ideas before trashing the pinion gear?
the rest of the parts were cleaned really good and look pretty good even the Sleeve, the stainless steel used on these newells reels is amazing.
Have you considered trying very aggressive vibration? That combined with a penetrating oil will free a lot of things.
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on March 08, 2024, 07:59:47 PMHave you considered trying very aggressive vibration? That combined with a penetrating oil will free a lot of things.
what is aggressive vibration? ??? never heard of that
I've gotten a few of those and never was able to get the pinion off, too much crap in the way to really get at it very well
Seems to be more of a problem with the S series, never seen it on the others
Quote from: Swami805 on March 08, 2024, 08:07:28 PMI've gotten a few of those and never was able to get the pinion off, too much crap in the way to really get at it very well
Compa Sheridan, Im afraid of the answer of this but, what have you done in those cases?
Use penetrating oil, let it stew for a few days.
Alternate hot (small torch) and very cold (canned compressed air turned upside down and spray).
Rapid heating and cooling may break the seal.
Do it several times in succession, watch your fingers, WEAR SAFETY GLASSES.
I cut off the pinion with a dremel. Just try not to damage the spool shaft. At least you won't damage the yoke trying to pry it off
I had 2 S533 like that, they might as well be welded on.
:) Do you have a weeks worth of patience ? I would wire brush clean the pinion -shaft , to make a canal . I would use calcium, lime and rust remover also know as hydochloric acid . Small paint brush or Q tip to keep it wet . Let it work for a few hours . It bubbles the rust a little faster than penetrating oil .
A little heat helps also . Do you have a automobile battery terminal puller just to put a little pressure on it while the chemicals work . You may have to make a yoke like piece to put in front of the reels yoke to make the puller work.
I would disassemble the bridge plate even further by re,living the shift lever, the eccentric and whatever parts you can remove. This would give you a little bit more room to play with to remove the yoke from the pinion gear and spool so you are dealing with just the pinion gear and spool. Then I would use one of those rust eliminating chemicals like CLR.
If you must trash the gears, please don't toss the pinion and main gear. I could reuse the ring from the pinion gear on a different pinion gear and mate it up with the Main gear. For a cheap replacement, use a PENN 500 gear set and the reel will now be a 4:1 gear ratio but it'll work.
In this situation, patients is paramount, give it plenty of time to soak it in what ever lube you use, I prefer acetone & auto transmission fluid, maybe try to use a long socket, over the shaft, & tap the pinion, down a bit before you try to, force it of, it could take you a week, good luck, cheers Don.
So yeah re vibration, soak it for a few days in the solvent cocktail of your choice then tape it to the top side of a palm sander or something. Let it run without sandpaper on a table for a few minutes. Bet something gets shook loose.
Quote from: Swami805 on March 08, 2024, 11:35:12 PMI cut off the pinion with a dremel. Just try not to damage the spool shaft. At least you won't damage the yoke trying to pry it off
I had 2 S533 like that, they might as well be welded on.
I was afraid of this LOL but I think its better than trashing the spool, pinion and more parts if using extreme force by losing patience, I will have it on mind as a last resort.
Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 09, 2024, 12:52:10 AM:) Do you have a weeks worth of patience ? I would wire brush clean the pinion -shaft , to make a canal . I would use calcium, lime and rust remover also know as hydochloric acid . Small paint brush or Q tip to keep it wet . Let it work for a few hours . It bubbles the rust a little faster than penetrating oil .
A little heat helps also . Do you have a automobile battery terminal puller just to put a little pressure on it while the chemicals work . You may have to make a yoke like piece to put in front of the reels yoke to make the puller work.
Joe, I have never seen that rust remover before but I can ask for something similar here in Baja, Hydrochoride Acid "looks" like something that need to handle with extra-care.
I dont have of of those battery terminal pullers :-[
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 10, 2024, 01:02:53 AMI would disassemble the bridge plate even further by re,living the shift lever, the eccentric and whatever parts you can remove. This would give you a little bit more room to play with to remove the yoke from the pinion gear and spool so you are dealing with just the pinion gear and spool. Then I would use one of those rust eliminating chemicals like CLR.
If you must trash the gears, please don't toss the pinion and main gear. I could reuse the ring from the pinion gear on a different pinion gear and mate it up with the Main gear. For a cheap replacement, use a PENN 500 gear set and the reel will now be a 4:1 gear ratio but it'll work.
I tried already to take the most parts on the bridge to see if I could leave only the pinion on the spool shaft but I couldnt without bending too much the yoke, I dont know if it would be trashed or can be bent to the original flat form again without damage.
I recalled that one of the Penn gears of the 500 size would fit on this reel but I wasnt sure about which one from the 500, 501, 505 or even 506 was, thanks for pointing this out.
the main gear has lots of corrosion on the teeth so, even if I can take the pinion out surely this reel will feel pretty "Geary and noisy", so maybe it deserves a new gear set anyway.
Quote from: Donnyboat on March 10, 2024, 01:38:17 AMIn this situation, patients is paramount, give it plenty of time to soak it in what ever lube you use, I prefer acetone & auto transmission fluid, maybe try to use a long socket, over the shaft, & tap the pinion, down a bit before you try to, force it of, it could take you a week, good luck, cheers Don.
nice tip about taping the pinion down a bit to try to break the metal seal of corrosion
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on March 10, 2024, 02:17:08 AMSo yeah re vibration, soak it for a few days in the solvent cocktail of your choice then tape it to the top side of a palm sander or something. Let it run without sandpaper on a table for a few minutes. Bet something gets shook loose.
sounds like it might work, but I have no idea where I use or borrow a palm sander :-\
Well it ain't for a palm tree if that's what you're wondering.
Other options include a jigsaw without a blade (for safety sake since you'd be leaving it running for a bit. Or any reciprocating saw for that matter. Or anything where an unbalanced weight moves quickly. Or any old machinery. Like an old AC condenser. Or a car with a bad suspension or a timing issue. I dunno I'm grasping at straws here.
Boss, I have used that trick before with a great success ratio and actually its what I wanted to try on this reel but I havent found a way to take the rest of the Bridge parts from the spool, seems that I have no choice than have to bent the yoke to release the Bridge and be able to deal with just the pinion and spool and try that flat screwdriver trick, but meanwhile I will leave the reel for few days in a lubrican/rust remover
I have a couple gear sets if you need a set Alex
try to lightly,carefully, hammer DOWN first. see if it will loosen in the down direction, first.
;D You could put the soaking parts tub on top of the clothes washing machine for vibrating bath . >:D The dish washer machine is no help yet ... :fish
Quote from: alantani on March 11, 2024, 08:38:45 PMtry to lightly,carefully, hammer DOWN first. see if it will loosen in the down direction, first.
I agree , the pinion is all the down " fully seated " Needle nose pliers ,tweeters or forceps to put under the reels yoke and try tapping the shaft down .
Alex is surrounded by smoothly running machinery. Except this reel of course.
in the down direction, it might loosen just a little, just enough. it might be worth a try.
well, the reel had already few days on a bath of different lubricants so, after reading all the tips and comments I want it to try some that sounded pretty clever, like just a bit hitting the pinion gear down and tapping the spool shaft as Joe commented.
I also found a way to take the bridge out which was attached to the pinion, that gave me more room to try to work on the pinion
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as you could see the pinion was all seated down on the spool, that was because I put a long but thin wrench socket to hit it gently trying to brake the seal
then I tried to lift it using two steel bent-tip tooth picks and I could felt it got moved just enough to put two thin flat screw drivers to try the Alantani technique ;)
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then, I could felt that I moved the pinion again, Dude I felt that I was gaining this battle cuz the pinion moved a bit higher as you can see in the next pic ;D ;D 8) 8)
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ooh man was like those moments when you say that everything work with a little patience and technique without forcing anything ^-^
the I took another set of screwdriver with a bigger tip to move the pinion a bit more higher, when suddenly one of the screwdriver's tip slip while I was applying contrary force with the other screwdriver and I just saw the spool went flying across the room hitting the floor with some Batman "sound effects" like "Kpow","pow", "zzaap" and a loud "CRASH"
well short story, this is not a happy ending story but a case of a MAJOR FAILURE !!
the damage was the spool lost a part of the lip and I dont know if its still straight :-[ :'( :'(
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maybe with some crazy glue and PC-7 cement under the crack can save it :( but it still have the pinion badly attached to the shaft LOL >:D >:D :-X
ooh well, I need to charge more for each repair or service, learning from mistakes is becoming pretty expensive school, good thing this expensive mistake was made on one of my reels.
the 2nd good news here (yeah right) is that I wanted to make the reel work just to sell some parts of the reel to covert it into a narrower version a Newell 322, not much to sell now maybe just the reelseat ::) but that will be later, this reel now goes to the project-to-fishing-soon drawer
Quote from: steelfish on March 12, 2024, 04:39:53 PMMAJOR FAILURE !!
Bummer, stuff happens in the blink of an eye. :(
the pinion gear already looks damaged beyond use. did you already try channel locks on the gear teeth? if so, the gear is shot. may as well muscle it of with vise grips. :-\
Quote from: alantani on March 12, 2024, 07:45:27 PMthe pinion gear already looks damaged beyond use. did you already try channel locks on the gear teeth?
guilty, I was set on using a replacement gear set from a jigmaster so, at some moment opted for using a channel locks, but even with channel locks the pinion didnt moved a bit and I didnt wanted to bend the shaft so, I dropped the idea, seems that I couldnt change the destiny of the spool ::) :P
with channel locks, you should be able to muscle it off.
I have a 338 spool if you need one Alex
I don't have a 322 spool, not easy to find. No big trick on a base and bars, same as a Penn 501
Quote from: Swami805 on March 13, 2024, 12:44:55 AMI have a 338 spool if you need one Alex
I don't have a 322 spool, not easy to find. No big trick on a base and bars, same as a Penn 501
thanks compadre Sheridan very kind from your part as always but Im not planning to repair this reel with trashed Gears and trashed spool, Newell reels and parts have "CULT" prices and Im not a newell guy to expend good amount of money on this one (hopefully mi compa Dwight dont read this haha).
:( I know that feeling when it moves a whisker . You just want to keep pushing it .
You now have hind sight that just put it back in the bath and let "the man in the can work " { penetrating oil } . I think you can glue the rim piece , look like it`s just the part that keeps the line from going under the ring / side plate .
Weeks worth of patience says me , I have learned from my mistakes .. :fish
Aw, man, it pained me to watch all week unable to reply to this. Could it be as simple as tapping the spool shaft with a plastic hammer? Well tap at first until you get the feel of how hard you can actually hit it without deforming the spool shaft. If you don't have a hard plastic hammer you could use the handle of a large screwdriver. Even if you mushroom the end of the shaft you could file it back into shape, but you usually wont have to. Just take it slow and feel how hard you can hit it before damage occurs. Grab the pinion ring with a pair of vise grips, rounded jaws preferred and hammer away. Lube when it starts moving. Hope I'm not too late, but it looks like the damage has already been done. Good luck.
By the looks of it now, you could fashion a gear puller out of a nut and bolt and a piece of scrap metal.