I picked up a 722 and what I believe is a 720. I disassembled both reels to see what I had to work with. The 722 matched Alto's post. The 720? has a different make up for retaining the pinion. It does't have the retaining spring it looks like a bushing and there is a screw on the side which looks to me like an oil port possibly. I have soaked it with CLP, green, and sprayed it with carb cleaner and can't seem to figure out how to get it out so I can remove the pinion and main gear so I can clean everything. Any assistance would be great.
A link to the 720z schematic is here. https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/720z.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/720z.pdf) The pinion bearing that looks like a bushing is a bronze bearing. There is a screw on the side of the body that holds it in. You need to remove the screw and it should come out. They can be tough sometimes after years of salt exsposure. Bob
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
BTW Scott's still has the bearing. https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/20-720.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/20-720.aspx) Bob
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/20-720.aspx
I imagine it must be really stuck. I picked up these for about 7 bucks each thinking they were both 722's and I could make one worker between them. The inside of both looked like red grease soup and I am trying to break them down and clean them to see what needs replacing. I put the part in question back in a bath of green to soak overnight to see if that will help. Does aluminum expand at a different rate than bronze? I have a heat gun and could gently heat the frame some. I don't want to crack one of these greenies though. I don't see them very often round here.
Steel bolts in aluminum that has seen a lot of salt and no maintenance over the years is fun.... :-\
If you're not in a hurry, and are willing to spend some time, I would let the assembly soak in WD40 for a couple of weeks. Then, if no succes, I would carefully and repeatedly heat it, and cool it (using one of those freeze sprays that go way below zero). The heating and cooling will produce stress forces between the two dissimilar metals, and sometimes the temperature cycling is enough to break the bond and the bolt can be removed. If not, you may at least have produced cracks in the 'junction' between the metals, and a good soaking in WD40 will allow the solvents to penerate even further and do its thing.
Last resort is to hit the bolt with a hammer, taking care not to deform the slot. Using an old screwdriver where the handle has been cut of is perfect for this shock treatment.
It's time consuming, and a labor of love :)
This is what has worked for me in the past. But I'm not an expert, and only self learned, so it would be interesting to hear what the pros do.
My question now is how do I get the bearing out. The thrust bearing and pinion prevent me from pushing it out from inside and the top is smooth so I can't grab it with a hook. I tried prying it with a small nail through the screw hole on the side and there is no movement. I dont want to mess up the pinion or the threads.
The bearing and pinion will have to come out of the top of the reel you can't remove it from the inside. Soaking with good penetrating oil is a start. You could heat the outside casing. Sometimes these things are impossible to get out without damaging something. You might be able to improvise something. I got a bearing out of a case one time by clamping the case in a vise. I then took a steel bar drilled a hole the size of the pinion and put it on with the pinion nut. on the outside of the bar i tapped holes for bolts and tightend them down on the vise jaws. Once it starts to move you have it whipped.
I don't know what you have on hand to work with. I'm sure if you think about it you can find a way. Good luck. Bob
Hello CDShaddock, Bob and Paal have been giving you some good advice.
Here are a couple of shots, sometimes pictures help.
Here you go
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I remove the spool, housing cover, the crosswind connector(staple) and pull the spool shaft out.
I will then remove the rotor , so I could get to the screw and pull the pinion out
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As Bob mentioned, the pinion slides out from the top
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Good luck with that screw, let that stuff soak for a day or so and it should come out.
These are nice little reels, they're very easy to work on. Usually you can take them apart and put back together in less that 5 minutes
I had a few of these little reels and none gave the problem that you're ixperiencing. :-\
Sal
Thanks Alto. It must be severely corroded. I attempted to remove it again tonight with no luck. I am going to let it soak for a few days in CLP and see if that helps.
To update you on the status of is project:
I let this reel soak in a penetrating oil until just a few minutes ago. I decided on a simple extraction method based on basic knowledge. Took a section of 65lb spectra and doubled it then ran it through the center of the pinion and anchored or to a stainless steel washer that would fit inside the gear box. I connected the other end to a short section of steel rebar using a cloth as a buff between the steel and threads. Stood on the rebar and slowly and steadily deadlifted the reel...pop....broke the line. I tried this again with 80lb mono and broke it as well. I am going to let it soak for a few more days and brainstorm.
PS yes it broken in the middle and not at either connection point.
Update: let it sit for another week. This time I used mule tape from my work tensil strength 1200lbs. That did the trick. The thing I found wasn't corrosion but instead caked on grease. Once I removed the main gear I found more of the same. It had the consistency of clay and was in every crevice. Time to clean every thing and then reconcile parts and put an order in for whatever is missing.
Nice!
Glad your project is proceeding ;).
best
Glad you got it out! A regular service will keep this from ever happening again. We like pics of finished projects. <-- hint Bob
Thanks. Just got done sanding most of the paint off. Have it soaking in paint stripper to try and get the old paint out of the small nooks.
So thoughts on whether to get the reel powder coated or just buff the aluminum to a mirror finish?
I'm at the same place ;D.
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This is one of my favorite reel, so simple and yet so functional.
Maybe we should send it back to Penn, I believe they have forgotten how a reel should be.
Bob (Cone), is willing to paint it black for me, but I'm leaning towards clear coat.
This reel was disrespected, it will need lots of buffing, if I'm going that route.
I won't be fishing with it, I would just put it on a shelf.
Sal
Nice!!!!!!!!
Cone Also offered to paint my 700. If you are going to leave it bare will you be clear coating it? And if so what would you use? I might take cone up on his offer....would jump at it if he was on the same continent.
Sal, That reel really needs to be back in green. ;D Look at the kg coatings web site. There are some coatings in colors . click on them and look at the color chart. If you find one close I'll buy it and put it on. A small can is only 10.00 and will do several reels. Bob
Quote from: BMITCH on March 25, 2013, 01:03:06 PM
Cone Also offered to paint my 700. If you are going to leave it bare will you be clear coating it? And if so what would you use? I might take cone up on his offer....would jump at it if he was on the same continent.
I have no idea on what type of clear coat, I was going to use the same stuff they use on cars.
Quote from: Cone on March 25, 2013, 01:20:35 PM
Sal, That reel really needs to be back in green. ;D Look at the kg coatings web site. There are some coatings in colors . click on them and look at the color chart. If you find one close I'll buy it and put it on. A small can is only 10.00 and will do several reels. Bob
Bob, this one was black, you already have the paint.
Honestly, I probably would clean it some more and rub some reelX all over and be done with it.
I do appreciate you wanting to paint it for me though. Later buddy.
Sal
Since it's stripped, I'd probably buff it to a chrome like finish then clear coat it. But that's me.
Very nice Sal that would look awesome all chromed out.
William
On the same vein, I have a handful of 711's. They are all green except one. It came to me a few years ago after a life of abuse. Stripped it down using airplane paint remover, and lots of sanding (wear a respirator). It looked pretty good when I did it, and still looks ok. Gave it a 705 handle, new spool, drags, drag knob, new z emblem is in my parts box. It is hard to get all the imperfections out by sanding / buffing. But still great reel, and fun to do.
I fish it a few times a year. I never did clear coat or any protection other than servicing after each trip. I think Cone is right in that clear coat prob wouldn't stick to highly polished aluminum? Little aluminum polish keeps it looking pretty nice though. Fine grade stainless steel wool helps also.
Cone, do you paint a bunch? I have a few 450 SS's that would love some tlc...
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Cone, do you paint a bunch? I have a few 450 SS's that would love some tlc...
Not a bunch. I've dabbled a little. I painted a couple of my cars in the past and refinished some of my firearms/reels. I've got some gunkote I've used and bought more than I needed. I've done a spool or two with it and I'm about to redo an old Mitchell 300 and paint another spool. If you want me too I'll shoot your reels for you and bake them, no charge. I need to use this stuff up. It is Matte black but if I don't preheat the parts and lay it down wet i can get it to look glossy.
Bob
Cone,
Sent you a PM, thanks,
Mark
Update: couldn't find anyone with a green similar to the original so I powder coated them glossy black. I am going to start reassembling it as soon as a few parts come in the mail. Should be a nice in-shore and jetty reel for me when done.