Once you have tied your Braid to Mono, or Mono to Mono, and you have 80 pound plus leader, what is a knot recommendation for tying hook or swivel? I have had no failures, but standard knots are difficult, and hard to cinch down.
Thanks in advance, Brendan.
When I am fishing mono or FC from 80# to 200# I use the Irwin Knot. Think that is how it is spelled. Because you go around the eye of the hook two times with the line this knot will test as well as a double San Diego knot. It also pulls down very small in relation to many other knots. I live in San Clemente only 10 minutes from you, send me a PM if you want to meet and I will show you how I tie the knot.
John
Maybe a sleeve & crimp? Up to 80# I use a UniKnot unless it is real stiff leader then its time to start crimping either single or double sleeves.
Quote from: RowdyW on July 02, 2013, 04:41:49 AM
Maybe a sleeve & crimp? Up to 80# I use a UniKnot unless it is real stiff leader then its time to start crimping either single or double sleeves.
x2 .. I do the same.
hi brendon
you might like to have a look at a centauri knot.
you can tie it on any hook or swivel,no matter how thick or stiff
tag end lies paralel along your leader and doesnt stick out.
cinch it up tight if you want to or leave it loose for
live bait.easy to tie.
cheers
Quote from: wallacewt on July 02, 2013, 05:02:35 AM
hi brendon
you might like to have a look at a centauri knot.
you can tie it on any hook or swivel,no matter how thick or stiff
tag end lies paralel along your leader and doesnt stick out.
cinch it up tight if you want to or leave it loose for
live bait.easy to tie.
cheers
+1
Quickest and easiest knot is the Palomar Knot. Live bait use the Baja Knot. I have a hard time with this one. Dominick
Quickest and easiest knot is the Palomar Knot. Live bait use the Baja Knot. I have a hard time with this one. Dominick
X2 ;D
Tom T
Have to look up the Baja knot.
Ron
Palomar, EASY to tie and strong.
Bob
the world fair is supper strong
Quote from: Brendan on July 02, 2013, 03:14:17 AM
Once you have tied your Braid to Mono, or Mono to Mono, and you have 80 pound plus leader, what is a knot recommendation for tying hook or swivel? I have had no failures, but standard knots are difficult, and hard to cinch down.
Thanks in advance, Brendan.
In South Africa we use a knot we call the Figure 8, knot works extremely well in heavy lines making a very neat small, knot. It is fairly similar to a uni-knot/centauri knot. For thick leaders you only have to make 3 wraps. It works as well to join main line (mono only not braid!) to leader. The knot is small enough that you can still cast a 1.2mm leader without knocking the rings out of the rod. You can also use it in cable, in cable it only needs 2 wraps, I use it to knot 1mm cable to hooks.
80 lb and above I like to crimp
San Diego Jam Knot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVrCGBFOSWU
look up spangler knot..Strongest knot that i know of so far and it is very very small and super easy to tie
I use uni knots, I tie em in 400lb mono and .080 weed eater line
I would like to add a little about knots. There are several strong knots. Some of the strong knots are The Miller, the Double San Diego jamb, and my knot the Spangler knot. The knot that is tied on the strongest piece of line wins the contest. Winning knot contests is not the same as fishing.
There are many factors that make a good fishing knot. Strength, easy to tie, small in size, consistency, reliability are just a few factors that make a good knot. One of the factors that motivated me to tie knots is line size. Most fishing knots do not tie well in line over 60lb. test. My goal was to find a knot for big line. To that end my knot is a success. It will tie in 400 lb. if you want!
Jeff Burroughs has written his second book on Long Range fishing. The Title is "For the Love of Long Range Sport Fishing San Diego Style". In the book there is great illustration of My good friend Joe Millers knot, the San Diego Jamb knot, and mine, along with a lot of other great reference materials. As technical as many are on this site the book can add a great deal to your fishing.
Ho, and i don't get a kick back from Jeff.
The best knot is the knot you can tie waist deep in crashing surf, in the dark, with 20mph wind and rain in your face. That's how a hatteras drum fisher told me, and I followed. Polar or uni. If I can tie any knot, it's a spider hitch/Bimini to palmor
The best knot I ever used, and I used it to longline for swords and tuna is this one, I was told it was a jam knot and I have never seen one fail. This is 200# mono to a 20/0 circle, it is the way I tie my hooks to all poundages of mono from 6# to 400#. On the lighter lines I use four to five wraps but on 50# and up I use 3 wraps only.
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This is very similar to our "figure 8" knot we use.
san diego jam knot?
Quote from: Mel B on September 02, 2013, 05:55:37 PM
san diego jam knot?
It is close to the San Diego Jam Knot, but not quite, but it is a type of
'Jam' knot.
It is a bit simpler than the SDJK, and I might use it.
It's what we used on the longline boat I used to work on and as far as I ever saw the only time we ever were missing a hook was from teeth.And it is what I use as my standard knot for all my fishing to this day. It's quick, simple, and strong.
Okay, I need at lease 2 more photos in the step by step. i just cannot see how it's done/
Quote from: Bryan Young on September 03, 2013, 08:23:29 PM
Okay, I need at lease 2 more photos in the step by step. i just cannot see how it's done/
me too ???
Me too. I can't see exactly how you got it. This subject taught me something today anyway. I have always used the uni knot and today I did some test against the SDJK and I was surprised that a smaller knot was stronger than the uni knot.
Show me some more on this one so I can try it.
Looks like this to me, and I've tied it numerous times now, and it locks in real nice.
Yep, looks a lot like a Figure Eight knot, wish I had a good way to test it's strength.
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It is hard for me to change without solid proof so I did a lot of testing this morning. I tied 80 lb mono to my bench vise handle and a foot away was a swivel. Using 40 lb momoi diamond tied to my scale with a SDJK I tested the above knot tied to the swivel. It broke consistently around 28 lb. The uni knot was breaking at 34 lb. and last I tied the SDJK to the swivel and it broke at 45 lb. From this day forward the SDJK is my terminal knot.
Safety note: don't do these test with a hook. I started testing with an 8/0 4x circle hook on my vise with some duct tape on it so it would not fly around on a break. I broke a bunch of knots trying to get all these tied correctly before using the scale. On one of the SDJK knots I gave it a hard pull and it was wrapped around my hand with a heavy glove. There was a break and I felt something hit my hand. My first thought was the 80 lb broke and the swivel hit me. The hook shank snapped and was sticking through the glove between my first two knuckles. Fortunately it did not go deep and only lost a few drops of blood.
Ok I left out a few steps that weren't too clear, so here it goes.
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grab line and hold with fingers this will make your loop.
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wrap back around doubled line 3 times
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now bring line back up through the loop you created with your fingers, lubricate the line
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start to pull tight
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sinch knot before pulling tight, on heavier line this will not be so tight
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pull down to hook relubricate and sinch down tight and trim
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Now it looks just like the SDJK.
salty,that looks diff; from the 1st knot.im a bit confused about the breaking strain we are talking about.80lb or 400lb+mono. no sleeves i presume.cheers
I use it with all my fishing line from 6 to 400# mono, just a different amount of twists the heavier you get the less twists you use. With 100 and up I only twist around 3 times, the lighter you go the more you use.
I did not think I would have this much response, I really like the Baja knot for my application. 100 pound leader for live bait. Soon fishing will go on the back burner and I will test the numerous others. Thanks for the reply's & tight lines. Brendan
Give crimping a try. If you are consistent you can get very high strength connections that don't fatigue with use.
If you give it a try use Jinkai Aluminum crimps as they are more forgiving. Personally I crimp everything from 30# and up. For sub 30# I form a double with a 14 turn Bimini and tie that to the hook.
For typical crimping expect better than 90% ( typically better than 95%) of the absolute breaking strain of the line.
An example is when I crimp 35# Black Water shock flouro the crimp is good to 46# rather than 32-35# for any knot other than a double.
Palomar on this line is good to 35# and weakens with use and needs to be retied between fish.
Jim N.
That's a good point for most to remember with knots and big fish. Always retie after a big fish because you never know ig he has in some way compromised your knot and the feeling of loosing one will get your attention.
salty, sounds good ;)
Quote from: Newell Nut on September 04, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
It is hard for me to change without solid proof so I did a lot of testing this morning. I tied 80 lb mono to my bench vise handle and a foot away was a swivel. Using 40 lb momoi diamond tied to my scale with a SDJK I tested the above knot tied to the swivel. It broke consistently around 28 lb. The uni knot was breaking at 34 lb. and last I tied the SDJK to the swivel and it broke at 45 lb. From this day forward the SDJK is my terminal knot.
Safety note: don't do these test with a hook. I started testing with an 8/0 4x circle hook on my vise with some duct tape on it so it would not fly around on a break. I broke a bunch of knots trying to get all these tied correctly before using the scale. On one of the SDJK knots I gave it a hard pull and it was wrapped around my hand with a heavy glove. There was a break and I felt something hit my hand. My first thought was the 80 lb broke and the swivel hit me. The hook shank snapped and was sticking through the glove between my first two knuckles. Fortunately it did not go deep and only lost a few drops of blood.
Newell Nut - could you test the spangler knot with the same 40 lbs momoi? I like it because of how small a knot it is and the fact that I can send the lines through the eyes 3 to increase the knot strength.
Thanks,
If I can find a picture of a spangler I will try it Sunday. Fishing tomorrow.
Quote from: Newell Nut on September 07, 2013, 12:22:32 AM
If I can find a picture of a spangler I will try it Sunday. Fishing tomorrow.
Maybe Normslanding will post a diagram. Dominick
Crimps weaken light line over time more thank knots do
I fished with my drag locked down today with the SDJK for all knots and caught 5 really nice red snappers and no breakoffs or cut offs. I horsed them away from the reef fast and never gave up an inch.
The sad part is the season is closed. I was hoping for Grouper and Mother Nature had another plan.
Tested the spangler knot with 40 Momoi Diamond as my other test. First test broke at 27 and the second broke at 29. With the now stressed piece of line I tied the SDJK and it broke at 40.
The knot that is tied to the scale handle that did not break in any of the test was the Trilene knot. it usually goes to 45 before breaking. The problem with the trilene when in a hurry you may get the two wraps crossed and then it breaks around 30 because it cuts itself. It is a great knot but if I don't were my cheaters on the boat then I can't see if the wraps cross. That is why the SDJK works better for me because it is a one wrap on the hook eye and I can tie it without my cheaters.
If my sunglasses had bifocals then I may opt for the Trilene for 5 more lbs of break strength.
Trilene or SDJK in my opinion are the best.
I prefer crimps myself. I use about 10 'of cable for the hook, then about 20 ft of 400 lb mono on a sliding trace before the main line, but I am targeting Sharks.
I do like crimps for that cause I can do the long twist for about a foot to keep the weight off the line and leader
hey guys
the question was
"what is the knot recommendation"
To answer the ops question, whatever knot( or crimp) works for you the best
The Knot I have been using up to 100lb leader is called the link Knot i saw it on a Utube clip where they tied large jigs Together (Assist hooks removed) and had tug of wars It outdid any of the other Knots and crimps
Very simple to tie One half hitch over one under repeat for at least a dozen. Makes a springy strong connection I will try to share link
Jon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezmzjoXmtzg
check this out sorry it was a chain Knot im sure you will all enjoy the music 8)
I want to fish with those guys!