Built to last—-ja tatsachlich!("yes indeed!"). A while back I got the last stuck screw outta this reel, an early 50's, model 250. I finally got around to this one for a complete disassemble-cleaning-rebuild. Impressed with the construction quality, I took my time and some pictures, and really enjoyed the whole process.
The Reel:
I'll dispense with the negatives first.
1) bail wire is relatively thin. 2) line roller doesn't spin. Suppose you could leave the nut loose with locktite on it and it probably would. 3) Most every part is removable with a few exceptions; the bail-trip lever unit is riveted to the rotor, as are the bail arm holders. 4) Ugly shape and heavy for it's size but I'll take those anyday over sleek looks and lightweight throw-away crapola engineering.
I think of it this way; the best mate or spouse?——someone with a good heart and mind and personality, but not a hottie, maybe on the heavy side?...Or, a low IQ looker that's a sociopathological, money-grubbing cheater, that gives-up on you (just like a reel that breaks), when you really need them.
The Handle Assembly:
All steel and brass except for the knob. One of the few steel pins on this reel is used as a pivot for the male threaded knob screw.
The Gear Box, including the Drive Gear and Anti-Reverse Unit:
1) note the steel insert bushing for the drive gear shaft inserted into the aluminum gear box. Also note the steel insert formed into the brass drive gear shaft for the handle attachment.
2) all the parts are simi-permanently attached to the AR lever. Stretching the spring thereof, is the only mod./repair I did. That tightened things-up a bit. I love the set screw that anchors the whole unit into the gear box side.
3) also, note the AR engagement, i.e., the pawl and indentations on the back-side of the gear. That baby "pops"!
The 2 holes in the drive gear are where the screw and roller bushing unit attach for the oscillation system. Why would there be 2 holes?
Nice job, Greg —-
Thanks for showing your work.
Best, Fred
Assembly: I left every thing loose. Things to note;
1) the Large pinion gear is fixed to a nice thick-long brass bushing, by 2 screws on opposite sides. Both the pinion and the bushing have matching threaded holes.
2) the spool shaft has a detachable(replaceable) spindle/click-gear held in place by a set screw. Some odd shaped teeth on that drag click-gear?
3) the single hole on top of the gear box is a lube port as well as a screw hole which is used to secure a VERY tight fitting side-plate.
4) wait! Almost forgot the spool shaft butt cap/bushing and circular nut. The brass nut secures the cap/bushing from inside the gear box. Some serious strength and shaft stability, here.
Cover Plate with Adjustable Trip-lever Bumper:
1) this aluminum plate attaches to the top of the gear box and has good close tolerances to the moving rotor. It also covers the bottom of the rotor. Note the lock washer, nut and adjustment screw for the bumper. This adjusting unit fits down in the gear box when the cover plate is in place.
2) note that big rivet in the 3rd picture close to the bail arm—that's the other side of the trip lever.
Rotor:
1) trip lever, there's a big rivet hammered down flat on the other side holding it in. Note the hollow brass pin that the lever pivots on.
2) 2 bail springs on each side with extra spring-tension adjustment holes for the end of the spring to stick into. Also, metal bail spring covers for each arm, that screw on. Sturdy and protective lookin.
The Spool:
1) it splits horizontally in half. One of the 3 screws was a royal pain to get out until Wayne(Elpescador) sent me a set of "Bald Eagle" screwdrivers and one of 'em got that sucker! Good tools are indispensable. So, I guess the spool comes apart to change the metal drag washer?
2) a nice aluminum drag adjusting knob with a heavy-duty lookin spring up in there.
3) a removable clicK-spring and pawl on the underside. Don't know what happened to the spring, but it works...
Again, very close tolerance between the spool and rotor.
So, on the whole reel; 1 piece of plastic(the Knob), some weird lookin cork stuff on the spool, and a tiny red rubber bumper on the trip-side of the bail arm. Everything else is steel, aluminum and brass. Some of the steel is magnetically positive, and some is not, so there's some stainless steel in there too.
Oh yes! I'm in love with this heavy and ugly old Gal! "I don't want her, you can have her, she's too fat for me, she's too fat for me..." —-An old German Beer Barrel Polka song.
I'll take her!
Quote from: foakes on April 18, 2022, 12:31:24 AMNice job, Greg —-
Thanks for showing your work.
Best, Fred
Thanks Fred. I really enjoyed diving into this one.
Well done, Greg! Thanks for the "inside scoop" on the Standards. :D It's been a few years since I've been into mine so it's nice to get a refresher course. Those are tough old war horses!
Quote from: Gfish on April 18, 2022, 01:39:04 AMSo, on the whole reel; 1 piece of plastic(the Knob), some weird lookin cork stuff on the spool, and a tiny red rubber bumper on the trip-side of the bail arm. Everything else is steel, aluminum and brass. Some of the steel is magnetically positive, and some is not, so there's some stainless steel in there too.
Oh yes! I'm in love with this heavy and ugly old Gal! "I don't want her, you can have her, she's too fat for me, she's too fat for me..." —-An old German Beer Barrel Polka song.
I'll take her!
Funny you say this , I know standards as Gertrude . Now i have a desire to find beer barrel polka `s on the radio !!
These DAM Quick Standards & S.W. 68's are around 68 years old.
Here is a schematic & parts list from that era.
And here is what I believe to be the only comprehensive and largest assortment of NOS parts in the world for these reels.
Best, Fred
Cool. You ever have to rivet-on onea those bail arm holders that go on the outside of the rotor? Or, maybe the bail release lever onto the underside of the rotor?
I have the DAM Quick PDF file you provided for us all, Fred. I checked the 250 you posted here, the spool in that schematic is different from what I have. Mine comes apart and has 3 screws securing the 2 half's vertically. The correct spool for this reel?
Yes, there are different versions over the years, Greg —-
I have never personally riveted those parts together. But it should be easy enough to accomplish.
Best, Fred
Great post Greg
I have two of these reels.
One is in Fred's care and the other has been staring at me for while just daring me to figure out how to remove the Very tight side plate. I have been unsuccessful so far.
Cool. Try removing the screw, then CAREFULLY wedging some'in pointy like a fish hook between the side-plate and body. Them tolerances are tight and prolly keep out water from the gearbox. "Ja, ve are ein very disciplined unt perfection oriented people".
Put a drop of oil in the hole before you screw it back in. Maybe grease the edges of the side-plate to make sure it seals back-up.
It's real unfortunate, but I've heard all kinna bad stuff about German car Company vehicles manufactured in the last(?)years. One mechanic even said they use low-quality plastic now in many of the wrong places. Do they godda jump-off that bridge just cause others, such as Ford, have? They already charge a small fortune to service/repair these vehicles...
Cool reel, Greg. Nice work too.
Curious, despite the quality components, are those bevel gears a bit on the noisy (buzzy) side? I ask bc I have a few old bevel gear reels that buzz. Wondering if it's just the gear design, or quality (tolerances and wear)?
I have one too G.
It would be mint if I had a new cover screw. I'm sure Fred has one
Keith
Excellent work and pictorial Greg.
I will certainly Refer to this when I tear into mine soon .
Thanks for the Hard Work and Pointers.
Rollen Sie das Fass aus, wir werden eine Menge Spaß haben
Rollen Sie das Fass aus, wir haben den Blues auf der Flucht
Zing boom tararrel, lass ein Lied der guten Laune erklingen
Jetzt ist es an der Zeit, das Fass ins Rollen zu bringen, denn die Bande ist alle hier
AND she's too Fat For Me Polka by Arthur Godfrey in 1947
Kinda
They don't make songs like dat no more .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cn-iPEEzfA
:d
Quote from: Paul Roberts on April 25, 2022, 07:50:12 AMCool reel, Greg. Nice work too.
Curious, despite the quality components, are those bevel gears a bit on the noisy (buzzy) side? I ask bc I have a few old bevel gear reels that buzz. Wondering if it's just the gear design, or quality (tolerances and wear)?
Yes. I figured it was wear given the age. Nothing is loose in there with the bushings, so perhaps it's gear tooth wear and that'ed prolly be the bronze main.
We gotta watch-out or the "shut-down" culture will come after us for "fat shaming" 😃.
QuoteGfish
We gotta watch-out or the "shut-down" culture will come after us for "fat shaming" 😃.
Why she ain't Fat ,she's FLUFFY
Quote from: handi2 on April 25, 2022, 08:20:54 AMI have one too G.
It would be mint if I had a new cover screw. I'm sure Fred has one
Keith
Sure do, Keith —-
I had sent you one a year or two ago —- but it must have gotten into the lost & found.
It is German Silver, like many parts on the early DQ's.
German Silver is not real or Sterling Silver —- it is rather an alloy mix of copper, zinc, and nickel. It is targeted for its strength, durability, as well as keeping it looking good with no tarnish or rust.
I will send out the sideplate screw for the Standard —- along with the DQ 275 2-Speed you sent me for a full restore to new.
It is scheduled to be completed today —- and will be sent out this week.
Found some 60 year old new parts to use on your 2-Speed.
Best, Fred
Quote from: Gfish on April 25, 2022, 02:17:23 PMWe gotta watch-out or the "shut-down" culture will come after us for "fat shaming" 😃.
To hell with them if they have no sense of humor, I'd be too fat for their satisfaction. ;D
That's a big part of it: no sense of humor. My guess'ed be that they aren't as offended as they pretend to be, but love the attention, power and group identity of "virtue signaling".
https://alantani.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34909.0;attach=111305;image
That's super cool Fred ???