Hey Alan i just saw some stuff on Bloodydecks about some Makaira upgrades and it sounds like you may have custom ordered these improvements. Hmmmmmm ? Wanna weigh in on this? In any case it sounds like Okuma is listening and I for one just wanna say thanks. ;D
this will cost them a small fortune! they must plan on investing a HUGE amount of money into this market. it's going to be tough for other manufacturers to keep up.
Can you post a link? I cannot seem to find it. Thanks.
http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/san-diego-range-fishing/390722-okuma-news.html
Quote from: wahoodad;2555785NEW "SE" REEL FEATURES
• Open spool bearings with TSI-301 oil. Increases
freespool 2-1/2 times.
• All non-spool bearings feature full grease pack for
maximum longevity.
• Features Special Edition Gun Smoke
and Black anodizing.
• SE reels will feature a Yellow fin tuna etched into
the side plate.
• Frames have been machined out for increased
clearance between spool and cross bars.
• MK-8/10/15 will feature MK-20 size handle knobs.
• MK-20/30 features the MK-50 handle arm
and knobs
• New lower speed 1.3:1 gear ratio featured in
20/30 sizes.
• The following upgrades for earlier MK reels can
be provided by the factory as follows:
-- MK-8/10/15: Replace bearings with TSI-301 oil
and larger 20-sized T-bar handle knob: $29.99
-- MK-20/30: Replace bearings with TSI-301 oil,
lower 1.3:1 gear ratio and 50-sized
handle: $59.99
-- The above costs include parts and installation,
shipping charges are additional.
MODEL SPECTRA YDS/LB. TEST MSRP
MK8-IISEa 400/40 $479.99
MK10-IISEa 460/50 $479.99
MK15-IISEa 600/100 $499.99
MK20-IISEa 750/100 $559.99
MK30-IISEa 600/130 $579.99
Shhhhh, top secret:D
Quote from: Fullaphish on January 30, 2012, 02:52:22 AM
Hey Alan i just saw some stuff on Bloodydecks about some Makaira upgrades and it sounds like you may have custom ordered these improvements. Hmmmmmm ? Wanna weigh in on this? In any case it sounds like Okuma is listening and I for one just wanna say thanks. ;D
sorry, the answer is yes.
jim nomura gets the lion's share of the credit for this. tsi 301 and 321 were both brought in by jim. i never would have figured it out in a million years. we had a 6 month detour with xtreme reel +. that went nowhere.
another jim is the service tech at the local grady dealership, central valley marine. he was the one that suggested yamaha marine grease 15 years ago.
and the rest of the credit goes to you guys for letting me practice on your fishing reels for all of these years! ;D
Communicated with the Product development for North America and let them know how pleased we are with this SE roll out. It is basically every thing Alan and Myself have been supporting Okuma to Make their reels top performers with highest reliability. If you get a new SE at the Fred Hall show (yes they are planned to be available for sale at the show) they will not need to be serviced by Alan or Myself.
Kits for upgrades will become available around the middle of March.
The upgrades are a real bargain and are less than the parts needed to perform the upgrade.
Example:
$60 for the SE20/30 upgrade
Mak 50 handle and Knob $59
Spool bearings $15 x 2
Gear set and shift pin assembly Who knows.
Labor to perform the upgrade.
Some details:
You are not allowed to perform the upgrade your self as this will void your warranty.
Upgrades and spool bearing service is only authorized to be performed by: OKUMA repair, Cal Sheets, Alan Tani or Jim Nomura
We recommend that you have Okuma service perform the upgrades as it is the least expensive path.
(Alan and myself are not a authorized Okuma warranty service center and are not paid for these services by Okuma)
If you really need a reel service and upgrade from Alan or Myself you can order the kit from OKUMA and have it drop shipped to us.
The difference between the OKUMA Service and Alan's or Jim's is we go through the whole reel and also pack the right side plate bearing (Okuma has not indicated that the 100% packed right side plate bearing is included in the upgrade). There is no charge for labor from Okuma while Alan or myself must charge for a service. (Alan correct this if needed)
I will be upgrading my Mak 20's. My Mak 10's already have the equivalent of the upgrade.
Any Makiara 10/15 reels service by Alan or Myself in the past already have the upgrade service and only need a new handle knob.
Any Makiara 20/30 will still need the upgrade kit installed.
Jim N.
no one from okuma as asked me to work on these for them. and honestly, i would not want to. if someone can do as good a job as us, i say let 'em at it. i'd rather go fishing! ;D
shhhhh.... guys, let's let jim do all of these. i wanna go fish! ;D
Ok Alan be nice :D Just trying to offer a path for those that place great value in what we do. I really do not expect a lot of customers sending in their Makairas to you or myself for an upgrade only. The nice part is customers will not need to send us their Makairas for free spool service. They can either buy a SE or get their free spool service with the upgrade package. We have been obsoleted :o
Jim N.
i's great that these guys are making a great reel even better! Kudos!
Wow! Sure looks like the Okuma folks are taking the full subscription to the Alan Tani method. Looks like you are owed some engineering fees Alan. One manufacturer down hundred or so to go. In the future these are the features ALL reels will or, at the very least, should have. We can consider ourselves fortunate for having been a part of this cutting edge technology, by simply being members of this web-site. We are light years ahead of the also ran crowd. Thank You Alan! Finally; a manufacturer who agrees, you have been right all along.
BIG Thanks to Alan & Jim for all they have done to the Reel Industry as a whole...
I know Alan has been vocal and posts what he finds & Recommends.
That has caused Manufacturers to Take notice and upgraded many, many reels over the years!!
x2 on the previous posts.
Thanks Alan, Jim etc - this is what it's all about.
Cheers, Justin
Maybe they should have called this the TNE ( Tani/Nomura edition) instead of just special edition.... glad to see people are listening.
Only if the other big name reel company would have listened to Alan.... not only way too many company men are able to say no to his new ideas; they will defend it to no end. They refused to change even when it has to and remained tied to it (dry drag). Okuma seems to aim much higher than the competition. Unless other reels are significantly discounted, i'm going for makaira next purchase.
certainly a step in the right direction but would anybody trust okuma to grease the screws and other fiddly bits ??? ???
wallace, your concerns have been addressed. someone decided to use a very fine thread screw because it decreased the risk of backing out, not realizing that salt water corrosion would destroy the threads and then the screw would just RIP out. that has been changed. they now use a coarser thread. really gotta hand it to jim, though. he added a level of engineering and materials expertise that was sorely needed.
I would like to acknowledge Alan for his years of tenacity to bringing to the public the good and the bad of the reels being produced. He stood strong against the politics and blistering egos knowing that the truth would prevail. Great job Alan 8).
Yes the greased screws with coarser thread was a challenge to get Okuma to see the benefit. Okuma then researched the possibility and found all their competitors and Tiburon used the coarser thread with no apparent issues.
If you all get a chance to look inside the Shimanos, Diawas you will find greased Carbon fiber drags, greased screws and a coating of oil or grease on the inside. They would not openly acknowledge that there was a 'better' way to build their reels but they just rolled in in to current production. Now they need to see the value in redundant anti reverse and make their silent anti reverse bullet proof.
This industry trend will benefit all us anglers with more reliable products,
Jim N.
so your saying you dont have to touch the new reels out of the box.just put the okuma on the rod and away you go.new ones i presume.older ones need an upgrade.is that correct?
Thanks Alan and Jim. We all have learned from the both of you, that may not have been rewarded in obvious ways, and just knowing that what you have shared publically is being implemented is the best form of acknowledgement whether recognized or not.
Many thanks, Bryan
The new SE series of Makaira's all sport the full Tani build. That is open and TSI oiled spool bearings, 100% packed bearings in the rest of the bearings, greased screws, Cal's greased carbon fiber drags, large angled handles, corrosion resistant (corrosion X HD) coatings on all inside surfaces, redundant anti reverse that is reliable. The non SE Makairas will have 30% greased bearing throughout and the Mak 10/15 will come stock with the small angled handles.
The answer is - Makaira SE reels do not need to be serviced to get the maximum performance and long service life. Non SE Makairas can be improved on with a Tani service.
Jim N.
thank you jim, for everything
Just adding my thanks to all the others who see what a great job Alan and Jim have done to get our reels made the way they should be.
Tony
Id love to take a look in side of the new and improved. I am glad okuma is stepping up the game. If it sounds as good as it looks then they hit a home run with this one.
it's the same reel on the inside. the issue with so many reels is usually not design, it's assembly!
Quote from: alantani on February 03, 2012, 07:44:08 AM
it's the same reel on the inside. the issue with so many reels is usually not design, it's assembly!
Couple questions on the 30II-SE
1) Do the older 30II-SE reels have the upgrades that the new SE reels will come with
2) I have seen several people describe the Mak 30 as having the capacity of a Penn 30 Wide or even a 50, is this correct and how did they accomplish this?
3) If this is the case, does having the 30II pretty much eliminate any need for a 50 size reel short of hunting 1000 giants in PEI?
http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f60/okuma-makaira-30ii-se-22745/
i've never caught anything bigger than me, but for fish in the 1000 pound class, i would want an 80 class reel, maybe even a 130. i think going in with a 50 would be suicide, unless you were fishing from a boat that could run down the fish. it's all about drag setting.
i do not believe that the early edition se's had the same upgrades. the line capacity is in part determined by how much material is shaved away from the inside of the spool...... :-\
Just out of curiosity, when did Okuma switch to coarse threads? :) Okuma really picked up momentum it seems. It will be very interesting to see what happens next.
And of course, nice job, Alan & Jim! We are all in debt to you. There must be a substiantial amount of money saved each year, on gear that would otherwise seize up and get thrown away :)
coarse is sort of relative. penn uses a 5-40 thread on many side plate screws. the threads on the metric side plate screws are finer then the 5-40, but it's nowhere near as fine as the original machine screws. they were ridiculous.
I had the opportunity to use a 30SE prototype. When taken apart the reel did not have the upgrades. The SE's sold so far do not have the upgrades.
Keep in mind that the changes are not a "upgrade" in the world market. Spool bearing longevity is more important to trolling, and other applications. The new SE's will have a Tuna logo, in lieu of a Marlin. That logo, and handle size is the giveaway.
The SE is not a trolling reel, but designed for casting and fly-lining live bait...Southern California style of fishing.
hi normslanding
could you explain further
tuna logo ones have they had the full tani treatment.?
marlin logo ones have not?
all new se have the full treatment(tuna logo)
hi bryan
the spool bearings only have to have grease instead of oil for trolling,right?
i cant see any sense in greasing spool bearings,why not have both options,casting and trolling with oiled spool bearings.
after all we have learnt on this site just upgrade the reels ourselves.then you know its done right!
Oiled bearings for trolling will be just fine. During trolling, the spool is still until you get a strike. I was only referring to the oiled spools are really for free-spool to cast bait or jigs out.
For trolling only reels where you are letting line out slowly anyway, it doesn't really matter if the spool spins slowly due to greased packed bearings, but will not be fun casting lures or live bait.
Nice :)
So now we are waiting for the SE rev2 with ventilated drag discs to keep up with all those massive fish that we will be catching ;D
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200701/2008-audi-r8-81_460x0w.jpg)
When will we be able to buy the SE reels?
they will be for sale at the fred hall show in long beach, ca. also check with charkbait.com. they may be taking orders ahead of time.
now okuma just need to make makaira 8IIse with one piece frame - side plate....
add an anti reverse bearing...
it would be ideal reel for deep jigging.... ;D
big thx alan and jim.... ;)
actually, it's a "pull" system, not a "push" system, so there is little pressure on the left side plate. i think that being able to remove both side plates makes the reel much easier to service.
all the reels we have been cleaning,oiling,greasing,handles,drags,etc;are special edition(se)seems to me okuma are just playing catch up.they said before that they greased and oiled their reels and we know that was a 1/2 hearted load of crap.i dont trust them or anybody else.i trust myself and the gurus on this site.you bewdy,i feel lighter,and thats another load.
Quotei trust myself and the gurus on this site.you bewdy,i feel lighter,and thats another load...
x2 mate - good call. ;)
Cheers, Justin
the work they do is on a massive scale and even small changes can have a huge ripple effect. if we make a change and it turns out to be a mistake, we are only talking about a handful of reels. if they made a mistake, the reels could number in the thousands. take that teflon lubricant, xtreme reel +, for instance. great stuff, fast as hell, but it didn't last. it took 6 months to figure that out. great for fresh water bass reels, but it was a mistake for the salt water reel.
to their credit, okuma took only 1 year to institute the changes that we take for granted. but guys, look around. it's just us. sure, we're pretty smart guys and we've got some good experience, but we're still talking about us. yeah, just us. it must have been a HUGE leap of faith for a company as large as okuma to actually take our recommendations, seriously evaluate them, and then actually put them into practice. and if we were wrong, and okuma did not figure it out until late, someone at okuma would take the blame, not us.
so, as confident as i am about all the changes that okuma has made, i remain very much aware of the potential for failure. something could still go wrong. and if failure does occur, there is in fact one man that is going to take the fall for this. it's sure not me! this man's name is john bretza. he has a wife and a family, and a home with bills to pay, and it this were to go south, he would be looking for another job. and if you ever get a chance to meet him, please take a moment to shake his hand and tell him thanks. first, thanks for actually believing us. and second, for having the courage to break away from the pack and make this commitment to to quality. remember, if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. the extra steps okuma has taken to make their reels more corrosion resistant are costing them some serious time and some serious money.
realistically, they are in this business to sell fishing reels. and if their reels do not sell, then this little excercise in quality can be considered a failure. remember that they measure sucess differently than we do. you know how easy it is for a restaurant to go broke serving the best food in town. same thing here. i believe that if okuma succeeds, we win. if they fail and these reels do not sell, then we go back to our garages, fixing one reel at a time........
i understand what your saying alan
if somebody ask me what reel should i buy,id ask are you a tanite?"whats a tanite"?.forget it,buy yourself a makaira se.no worries.if it suited his type of fishing of course.me, im a tanite.didnt you say last month your site had 500,000 hits.they had better listen,it may work with okuma,i hope it does,but for now ill do my own upgrades.
Great post Alan - brings it all home.
I'm getting a Makaira 8II simpy because of this site (and Okuma's obvious commitment to Tani-style quality).
Cheers, Justin
The commitment that Okuma has made to us consumers is very commendable. How many of the other reels manufacturers have offered a 5 year warrantee? How many have openly committed to greasing side plates, greased packed bearings,...? Every new reel that I have opened have only had grease around moving parts, greased bearings are 30% or less fill of grease, etc. But no worries, they did not commit to it, so no foul. But it seems like Okuma has publically made this commitment, and there are many who will open the reel and confirm it. With the social media available today, if they do not do what they say, it will be known, fast, and not in a localized area, but potentially worldwide. It's a big risk for Okuma on behalf of all of us reel techies.
If I an in the market for such reel, I'd be sure to look at Okuma. They are not the same reels of 5 years ago.
Quote from: wallacewt on February 09, 2012, 08:29:06 AM
i understand what your saying alan
if somebody ask me what reel should i buy,id ask are you a tanite?"whats a tanite"?.forget it,buy yourself a makaira se.no worries.if it suited his type of fishing of course.me, im a tanite.didnt you say last month your site had 500,000 hits.they had better listen,it may work with okuma,i hope it does,but for now ill do my own upgrades.
and i will continue to do my own reels as well. but remember that we are a tiny minority. most fishermen will not take the time to clean their reels, much less fully rebuild them. and through no fault of their own. this type of work is not for everyone. step back and think of where we were when we first started. think of the new guys that visit this site for the first time. the task of getting up to speed can be monumental. when tom hrynuik was working on his prototype squidder frame, he called out of the blue and asked if we could talk. he came over and we just yakked for a couple of hours. i recall him saying that he learned more from me in a few hours than he could have learned on his own in a few years. he also mention something about feeling like his head was about to explode as he was leaving. ;D
the danger remains that all of this could still fail. if okuma cannot recoup their extra expenses, then no one else will follow suit. i'm sure that penn, daiwa, shimano and accurate are all watching this very carefully. it took some real courage for okuma to break away from the pack like this. it's a monetary risk that no one has been willing to take until now. they are throwing some awfully big dice!
As Mark at Charkbait would say "Great stuff". My last 3 reel purchases were Okuma and my next one will be a Okuma. I remember years ago my friend purchased a Titus Gold and I ripped him for it, was even a little embarrassed using it in our trolling spread. Boy how things have changed.
Kudos to all involved especially Okuma.
my last say on this
im not against okuma,more power to them
it seems to me it would be very easy to grease and oil the reel while you was assembling it instead of pulling it to bits and putting it back together.cost would be minimal compared to what we do. they would have a much faster process and pay a lot less for parts.unless they bought aussie made then they would go broke. ::)
Ok, so I'm 8 months behind the times.
A) so I voided my wuarantee Tani'ing my Makaira 15II ???
great.
Oh yeah and I even used XtremeX
great.
Can you get just the handle for an upgrade? Any idea how much that would
be?
And I don't know why but Okumafishing.com website is currently down.
Great.
Quote from: spes on October 01, 2012, 02:44:37 PM
Ok, so I'm 8 months behind the times.
A) so I voided my wuarantee Tani'ing my Makaira 15II ???
great.
Oh yeah and I even used XtremeX
great.
Can you get just the handle for an upgrade? Any idea how much that would
be?
And I don't know why but Okumafishing.com website is currently down.
Great.
the guys at okuma usa are great. they are only interested in keeping people happy. if you did something to totally mess up the reel, there would be an issue. if you did anywhere near a decent job, it should not be a problem. okuma wants to keep these reels working. they have alot of ground to retake to get their product caught up with other manufactures. every happy customer helps them towards that end. call them it you have a question. i'm certain you can work something out.