I have a old penn 113 hlw and was looking to replace the old screws with s/s ones prefably torx. Does anyone know what size they are? I know that they are 1/2 inch and i did a little research on here but only came up with 5-40 and 8-32 since two different sizes came up im kinda confused on which one to go with. THNX in advance
I DO BELIEVE IT'S THE 8-32 ???
They are definetly 5-40, go to mcmaster carr online.
yes, the side plate screws are 5-40. i have searched high and low for a stainless steel 5-40 machine screw. http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-screw-fasteners/=he3tc1 i have never found a good alternative. :-\
Fastenall is another good source if you want them by the thousand.
Ok. Thanks for the sites but unfortunately they don't ship to PO Boxes. So i'll have to go to the local hardware store when i get a chance.
Quote from: alantani on May 04, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
yes, the side plate screws are 5-40. i have searched high and low for a stainless steel 5-40 machine screw. http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-screw-fasteners/=he3tc1 i have never found a good alternative. :-\
Sal kindly shipped me two boxes of 5-40 Fillister Head ss screws (5/16" and 3/8 long) from McMaster Carr.
Great job on the smaller Penns. (Long Beach, Jigmasters, Delmares etc.)
BTW Penn are now fitting ss screws to their Chinese made reels.
Thanks Sal. ;D
Quote from: Irish Jigger on May 05, 2012, 08:05:11 AM
BTW Penn are now fitting ss screws to their Chinese made reels.
Are they metric?
Are they metric?
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I don't know Lee but will check on Monday. Don't mention the "C" word here, if it's Penn and not "Made with pride in the USA" I avoid it like the plague. ;)
I have a Fathom 25N made in the PRC that is a well built reel, I hope they keep up the QC.
i was working on a set of recent model 320 gt2's that were made in china. the side plate rings were stainless steel. in addition, the side plate screws and the bridge screws were also stainless steel. because of these modest upgrades, i would call the chinese 320 superior to the american made one. same for the jigmaster.
you know, i was told by one of the penn guys that the chinese company will make a jigmaster and put it in a box and ship it to the united states. you know what penn buys them for? $7 per reel. yup, a jigmaster in a box for $7.
you know, i was told by one of the penn guys that the chinese company will make a jigmaster and put it in a box and ship it to the united states. you know what penn buys them for? $7 per reel. yup, a jigmaster in a box for $7.
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The retail price of these reels has not dropped since they were made in the US.
The Penn shareholders must be happy bunnies.
The same cannot be said of the unemployed Penn employees in the US.
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fortunately, all the people at penn still have their jobs. they have shifted to the higher end models with a larger profit margin. apparently, this was the best way to keep the company from going under. or at least, that is my understanding. :-\
Quote from: Keta on May 05, 2012, 01:08:14 PM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on May 05, 2012, 08:05:11 AM
BTW Penn are now fitting ss screws to their Chinese made reels.
Are they metric?
Yes Lee ,they are Metric on the new Penn Fathom LW. At last Penn has come up with the bright idea of having both the screw and BB sizes clearly stated on their reel Schematics. ;D
D'oh...............I should have thought to look on my Fathom 25N.
So would the 5-40 Fillister Head ss screws (5/16" and 3/8 long) from McMaster Carr work on all Penn models for side plates
and bottem reel seat areas?
I have and work on mostly 113H type in tiburon framed 4/0's, jig master , and squidders.
The majority of the flea bay finds have the sloted screw head all cheesed up.
A phillips heads would be easier to work with in the future as I get tired of wire brushing the corrosion
off on the tiny screws and cutting my fingers.
Is this correct?
5/16" - 100 -91794A125 -$6.11
3/8" -100 - 91794A126 $6.45
Quote from: Irish Jigger on May 05, 2012, 08:05:11 AM
Quote from: alantani on May 04, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
yes, the side plate screws are 5-40. i have searched high and low for a stainless steel 5-40 machine screw. http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-screw-fasteners/=he3tc1 i have never found a good alternative. :-\
Sal kindly shipped me two boxes of 5-40 Fillister Head ss screws (5/16" and 3/8 long) from McMaster Carr.
Great job on the smaller Penns. (Long Beach, Jigmasters, Delmares etc.)
BTW Penn are now fitting ss screws to their Chinese made reels.
Thanks Sal. ;D
Yes the 5-40 Fillister Head will work on all of the smaller reels, but for the 113H you will need the Oval Head type. The screw size is the same ( 5-40 ), but the Fillister Head will not work on the 113H. Sal
Is this correct then?
http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-screw-fasteners/=hqxcrn
Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws
5/16" - 100 - 91771A125 $5.79
3/8" - 100 - 91771A126 -$6.36
Screws have a standard 82° bevel under the head. Sizes noted below have an undercut head to allow more threading. Screws up to 2" long are fully threaded; those longer than 2" have at least 1 1/2" of thread. Length is measured from the top of the head
The ovals that they offer don't seem to come in 5-40 :'(
You're right, they don't carry the oval head in that size. I wouldn't get the flat head screws if I were you, I just tried some and didn't like the way they're sitting. You might want to forget about ss screws for now and go with these: https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/32-17.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/32-17.aspx), you might receive ss screws anyway. Have you tried soaking the old screws in simple green for a couple of days? Mine usually come out nice and clean... if they're not too far gone.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Yea, they come out clean but I don't like running the wire brush on the threads and the heads are nasty on some.
I'm looking to replace with new phillips. I'll try scott's to see what he has.
Ouch, .55cents per screw ??? no thanks.
Thanks
-gary
I'm pulling my hair out trying to find the correct 5/40 (SS screws) 5/16" - 3/8" for 113H.
Does anyone make them or am I wasting my time? :'(
I'd be happy to buy a 1000 of each to start swapping out my 4/0's and share.
-g
I've tried too, without success. The originals cost a little more over here but there appears to be no alternative in ss for the 113H.
Take a look at these although as Sal has pointed out they may not look right when fitted.
http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Steel-Machine-Phillips-Length/dp/B000FN7X9I
With all the time and effort we all put into our Hot Rod reels. Why not just chuck the screws up in a drill press and file/ polish them to a more pleasing/ better fitting shape?
Good point CooldadE, works great with ss screws. I just modified some 5-40 ss fillister head screws to replace damaged Penn handle lock screws #110-60. Screw them into an old Penn handle and cut to length after reducing head to 0."17 diameter in drill press.
Hey Gary, here is what the flat head ss screws look like. I'm using a reel with custom red rings to show more detail, it look just as bad on the chromed rings:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2402.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2398.jpg)
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 31, 2012, 09:26:40 AM
Hey Gary, here is what the flat head ss screws look like. I'm using a reel with custom red rings to show more detail, it look just as bad on the chromed rings:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2402.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2398.jpg)
Nice looking reel! I see what you mean. The head does not sit flush and I see the snags coming or cuts.
You would think that someone would make them!
I don't want to waste time cutting, cleaning , polishing screws. I'd just rather buy 1k and be done with it.
Here is another source for small quantities of the 5/40 ss screws (in a pan head).
They are slotted not torx/phillips, but at least are the right size/head configuration and ss....
http://www.amazonsupply.com/stainless-steel-machine-binding-slotted/dp/B003R7JE8M/ref=sr_1_1?sr=1-1&qid=1338498746&filterBy.feature_eleven_browse-bin=3622112011&filterBy.size_name=%235-40&filterBy.feature_seven_browse-bin=3071476011%2C3071462011%2C3071453011%2C3071478011%2C3071489011
Quote from: elnath on May 31, 2012, 09:16:19 PM
Here is another source for small quantities of the 5/40 ss screws (in a pan head).
They are slotted not torx/phillips, but at least are the right size/head configuration and ss....
http://www.amazonsupply.com/stainless-steel-machine-binding-slotted/dp/B003R7JE8M/ref=sr_1_1?sr=1-1&qid=1338498746&filterBy.feature_eleven_browse-bin=3622112011&filterBy.size_name=%235-40&filterBy.feature_seven_browse-bin=3071476011%2C3071462011%2C3071453011%2C3071478011%2C3071489011
I think thats what Sal is using and were trying to get away from so they sit frush with the ring and not on top of it.
They need to have an oval shape on the underside. -g
No Gary, those are not like the ones I'm showing . The screws that i'm showing are beveled on the underside. You would think a machinist would jump on the opportunity to make some serious money here :-\.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 31, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
No Gary, those are not like the ones I'm showing . The screws that i'm showing are beveled on the underside. You would think a machinist would jump on the opportunity to make some serious money here :-\.
Yea, I find it hard to believe that with the 113/113h Senator's being penn's all time top seller that correct aftermarket SS screws are unavailable?
I'd replace all of my slotted screws with phillip in a heartbeat. -g
Quote from: Gman_WC on May 31, 2012, 12:05:13 AM
I'm pulling my hair out trying to find the correct 5/40 (SS screws) 5/16" - 3/8" for 113H.
Does anyone make them or am I wasting my time? :'(
I'd be happy to buy a 1000 of each to start swapping out my 4/0's and share.
-g
here are some slotted oval head:
http://www.drillspot.com/fasteners/screws/machine-screws/?spc=Head%3DOval_Material%3DStainless%20Steel_Thread%20Size%3D%235-40
Quote from: day0ne on June 02, 2012, 11:31:35 PM
http://www.drillspot.com/fasteners/screws/machine-screws/?spc=Head%3DOval_Material%3DStainless%20Steel_Thread%20Size%3D%235-40
Thanks for that link... I finally managed to order some and received them today. I ordered 100 with shipping to Hawaii it came out to $23.00, so at .23 a screw, its better than .55 a screw not including shipping.
Alan,
Will the 320 GT2 rings fit a GTI? or did they change the hole spacing.
Ron
the handle side should fit. not sure about the left. check the schematics at mysticparts.com. it would be nice if they do, because the new ones are stainless steel.
I know this is an old thread, but....has anyone found a good SS screw for the 113H?? How about the 114H?? And while we are at it how about the jigmasters? Any help...I hate when they get barked up. Would be nice to have new ones.
Bob
The last ones I had from Penn were ss. Looks like chromed brass may be on the way out. Price still the same though >:(
Are they Phillips head? That's what I would like.