My new 113h is an early model maroon sideplated, large drag access holed, stone drag washered, all post framed beauty.
After some very generous advice from one of our members here, I told him I was going to leave it stock because I liked the original look, especially that lovely amber coloured handgrip that looks like a piece of carved marble.
The drag washers aren`t really stone...I think they are asbestos. They are very thick and very hard....and there is only room for 3.
I think this reel is the same model 113h that Alan did his 113/114 tutorial on. 1963-1983?(the reel, not the tutorial)
Anyhow, I have relented a bit and decided to buy the aluminium spool, the carbon drag kit and a couple new sideplate rings and screws. I don`t think I could bear to change it`s appearance any more than that, and the only reason I got the new spool was because of the weight saving.
I still havn`t been able to find a schematic of this 113h with the 3 drag washers. A 113 yes, but not a 113h.
I was surprised to find steel gears. Are the main and pinion made from the same steel?
I do have a Baja, but have always wanted an old school 113h in original form. I was very lucky to find one in good condition in Australia.
Congradulations Basto. Don't forget to change the washer under the gear for a carbon fiber. I have several of the 113h's with the easy access drags. On two of them the gear rubbed the sideplate with a Penn washer under the gear. Dawn has some thin carbontex washers that may keep it from rubbing and having to dremel the sideplates. One of Alan's ss sleeves would be a good addition too. Don't forget to post a pic. Bob
the pinion gear is hardened stainless, the main gear is plain carbon steel and will rust. get a 5 drag kit and you'll be fine.
Thanks for your replies guys...I`m learning all the time.
I believe a few do have the ss gears.
Sal
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2051.jpg)
Hi Sal
I think this one`s main gear is carbon as it is more greyish in colour than the pinion. It does not have any rust on it though as it is very well greased. It has a brass coloured inner ring. It also seems to have not worn much and is in quite good condition.
Do you know if these carbon gears did wear well?
Slap some grease on those and you will be fine. How we service reels today, rust should not be an issue on those.
By the way, I tried rusting them out by placing them in a cup of water for two weeks and wasn't able to :-\, other metal parts did rust.
Very interesting. There is always something to learn about older reels.
cheers
Basto
Quote from: basto on February 21, 2013, 11:33:31 AM
Hi Sal
I think this one`s main gear is carbon as it is more greyish in colour than the pinion. It does not have any rust on it though as it is very well greased. It has a brass coloured inner ring. It also seems to have not worn much and is in quite good condition.
Do you know if these carbon gears did wear well?
Mine are fine, ive got the same reel as you. Those drag washers are like stone :D thyere pretty nasty overall. I kept my chrome spool, i need the extra capacity for 25 mono, and 50ft topper of 50lb mono, and a smoker pier king. A man can dream........... ;D
OK, I have relented further and bought a SS gear sleeve and a topless T4 Tiburon frame, but I am definitly not changing the handle.
well, I don`t think so........
cheers
Basto
Quote from: basto on April 07, 2013, 10:21:11 AM
OK, I have relented further and bought a SS gear sleeve and a topless T4 Tiburon frame, but I am definitly not changing the handle.
well, I don`t think so........
cheers
Basto
I know the feeling.. :) You love your little puppies and you can't keep your hands off them. I wonder where a reel's soul resides, so you can leave that alone..
/Karl
Quote from: basto on April 07, 2013, 10:21:11 AM
OK, I have relented further and bought a SS gear sleeve and a topless T4 Tiburon frame, but I am definitly not changing the handle.
well, I don`t think so........
cheers
Basto
Alan's 6/0 Kolekar handle is very nice. ;) ;D
Cheers, George
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/lefttib_zpsbc3b1705.jpg%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/undertib_zpsa3ad2648.jpg)[/IMG](http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/righttib_zps75620fe5.jpg)
and I might put a jigging master T-bar handle on it . I have one that is silver and gold, should work well.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/lefttib_zpsbc3b1705.jpg)
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I like the drag`s top plate on this old model. It is thick and rigid. Reminds me of the Cal`s top plate that I put in my Torium. It could probably benefit from lapping.
I also like the steel gears in this model. The ones in this reel are like new.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/original113h_zps2f472703.jpg)
This was the reel when I first purchased it. You probably noticed the handle nut retaining screw is missing in the first photo.
When I put the new SS gear sleeve in , the handle nut would not screw down tight on the handle, so I put a belville type washer under the nut to take up the space.
I kinda like this idea better than a retaining screw that dictates how far you do the nut up. The only negative is the empty retaining screw hole.
The stock reel is very nice. When you start with good roots, you get excellence.
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 08, 2013, 02:12:05 PM
The stock reel is very nice. When you start with good roots, you get excellence.
I couldn't have said it better myself ;)
Nice reel Basto, yes you definitely need a new handle, you're not allowed to stop there ;D.
Thanks for sharing.
Sal
And thanks again for your information Sal.
Love the older non handle side plate with the rough water and jumping bill fish. The newer models don't have the water. I guess they thought that cleaner lines looked better but what do they know. Dominick
Quote from: Pescachaser on April 09, 2013, 12:01:08 AM
Love the older non handle side plate with the rough water and jumping bill fish. The newer models don't have the water. I guess they thought that cleaner lines looked better but what do they know. Dominick
Yes, I`m with you on that one.
Basto, really nice job, and beautiful reel...
I have 1 112H, 2 113h'S and 2 114H's with those lovely butterscotch handles - had to pay quite a lot for them too, and took a while to find.
I could never change them. I think they are wonderful, and so evocative of Penns. A little bit small, maybe, but so good looking.
Don't change it!
If you are going to fish it (which is what it is for, of course) put on the "fightin'" handle, sure, but keep the original, so you can put it back on after you've cleaned the reel, and look at it...
Simon
Beautiful reel! I hope my 113h will look as good as that someday! Good work!
/Karl
Quote from: slgriffiths on April 09, 2013, 05:41:16 AM
Basto, really nice job, and beautiful reel...
I have 1 112H, 2 113h'S and 2 114H's with those lovely butterscotch handles - had to pay quite a lot for them too, and took a while to find.
I could never change them. I think they are wonderful, and so evocative of Penns. A little bit small, maybe, but so good looking.
Don't change it!
If you are going to fish it (which is what it is for, of course) put on the "fightin'" handle, sure, but keep the original, so you can put it back on after you've cleaned the reel, and look at it...
Simon
Hi Simon
Yes ,I said previously that the handgrip looks like a piece of carved marble.
I would like my next project to be a narrow 114h. I have a liking for low gear ratios and tall spools. We are so fortunate that people like Tiburon make these great frames that enhance the performance and looks of these old classic PENNS.
Quote from: Mandelstam on April 09, 2013, 05:52:12 AM
Beautiful reel! I hope my 113h will look as good as that someday! Good work!
/Karl
Thanks Karl. Stick with your project mate. You will have something unique and something to cherish.
All the best with it.
Basto