I think now is as good a time as any to ask what the desire on these sleeves would be. I'm not going to ask for cash up front, nor hound anyone. I just need to know approx. how many of these will sell. This project along with a couple others is going to have me shelling out a pile of cash.
The sleeves are to be made from 416 stainless, and be heat treated to about 42c rockwell. I'm not sure if the finish will be shiny, off color, or darkened by the heat treating. They are a direct replacement for the stock gear sleeve on all the 600 series reels.
I'm on the fence about cutting the flats all the way down to the ratchet, maybe you all can decide that for me? Newell Nut can confirm, I think there is an extra tooth on the ratchet too. The ticket price is going to be around $35 each, depending on volume.
So let me know what you all think!
Tom,
I want two of them in the 600 series. As to cutting flat sections, I am going to leave that up to Dwight and some of the more experienced reel builders. I have a SS crank from Alan Tani. How about the 500 series? I think there are more 500 series Newell's out there fishing then the 600 series. If you go in that direction, I would buy three in the 500 series.
Dave Babcock,(AKA Speedwagon2)
If you sell some for the 200-300 series I'm in.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on February 25, 2015, 03:28:36 AM
I think now is as good a time as any to ask what the desire on these sleeves would be. I'm not going to ask for cash up front, nor hound anyone. I just need to know approx. how many of these will sell. This project along with a couple others is going to have me shelling out a pile of cash.
The sleeves are to be made from 416 stainless, and be heat treated to about 42c rockwell. I'm not sure if the finish will be shiny, off color, or darkened by the heat treating. They are a direct replacement for the stock gear sleeve on all the 600 series reels.
I'm on the fence about cutting the flats all the way down to the ratchet, maybe you all can decide that for me? Newell Nut can confirm, I think there is an extra tooth on the ratchet too. The ticket price is going to be around $35 each, depending on volume.
So let me know what you all think!
Tom
Since I have tested Sal's Delrin idea successfully with a multi stack thin disc drag system I like the smoothness and have power to spare on the drag, so cutting the flats down to the sprocket is not necessary in my opinion.
I am good for 6 for the 600s and 6 for the 500 series. I have a sample of a 500 if you need it for a pattern. The length and location of the shoulder for the handle washer is the only difference on the 500 series.
Hi Tom:
At that price (or thereabouts), I'd take one 600 series and one 500 series.
Thanks.
Hi Tom,
If we can make them for the 200/300/400 series, I may be in for a hundred to start with the flats extending all the way down to I could add a full undergear carbon fiber or Delrin (Acetel) washer...depending on price. This will bring the Blackie and P-series drag system back.
For the 500 and 600 series, I'm not sure on the quantity. I would like the flats to go all the way down as well so there is an option for a full undergear carbon fiber or Delrin (Acetel) washer.
One concern is that Newells produce two different types of dogs, and we may need to provide optional dogs with the gear sleeve to ensure that the new gear sleeve can be used on all reels.
Thanks.
Bryan
Tom
If you make the 2,3 & 400 Series Newell Sleeve I would be in for a few
Mike
The older 2,3 and 400 sleeves had 8 teeth and the hole at the bottom was chamfered to fit the tapered piece at the bottom of the shaft. The newer ones did not have the chamfer but did have 10 teeth which helps take up slack. Making the new production to fit just means the bottom should be chamfered on the ID and use 10 teeth. I would take a few of those too.
Me Too Me Too
What NN said
Mike
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on February 25, 2015, 03:28:36 AM
I think now is as good a time as any to ask what the desire on these sleeves would be.
nice!!!!!!
Thanks everyone for the input.
It look like an even split between the 600's and the 500's I didn't know I was making.
Dwight--If you can send me the 500 sleeve, I'll take a look at it. PM me if you need my address.
Bryan-- I'll have to put the smaller sleeves on the back burner for a bit, but keep shooting me PM's, we'll get it done.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on February 26, 2015, 01:38:56 AM
Thanks everyone for the input.
It look like an even split between the 600's and the 500's I didn't know I was making.
Dwight--If you can send me the 500 sleeve, I'll take a look at it. PM me if you need my address.
Bryan-- I'll have to put the smaller sleeves on the back burner for a bit, but keep shooting me PM's, we'll get it done.
Let's get together. I have a suggestion. Call me when you have a free evening.
I just finished both the 600 and 500 series sleeves. I'll get them heat treated next week.
Thanks for the patience!
Thanks for the heads up. Those other ones you made were perfectly designed and machined.
I am good for 6 for the 600s and 6 for the 500 series.
Tom,
I would like two in the 500 series, and 2 in the 600 series.
Thanks, Speedwagon2
Hey All! The Newell sleeves for the 500 and 600 series are done! I just picked up the parts from the heat treater and they awesome!
So if you still are interested, please PM me with your name and address.
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The price on these is $35.00 a piece, with shipping included in the U.S. only.
Dwight, I have your order. Everyone else, please refresh my memory as to what you want.
Checks and Money Orders are fine, PayPal works too! Please contact me prior to sending funds so I can make sure I have stock. When these are gone, that's it!
Thanks everyone!
Tom
PM sent...!
Tom has built some of these before and he does beautiful work guys.
My pretty sleeves arrived today and wow what nice work. Now when the stars get aligned right we will see some beautiful 300 series sleeve with chamfered bottom to fit all series and 10 teeth. If we bug Tom enough about these things it will happen. He has my pattern parts.
Thanks for a great job Tom.
Dwight
Hi Tom:
My sleeves also arrived...thanks a million...they look great! Great craftsmanship!
x2 on a "pre-order" ;D for the smaller 2/3/4 ss sleeves...
I put a new sleeve in my old reliable 540 3.2 today and it was a perfect fit and double dogs snap into place on Tom's tooth design perfectly with a very sharp click. Fully assembled it operates like a dream reel. Very smooth and very strong.
If you did not order one you are missing a wonderful opportunity for perfection.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on April 21, 2015, 01:38:31 AM
Hey All! The Newell sleeves for the 500 and 600 series are done! I just picked up the parts from the heat treater and they awesome!
So if you still are interested, please PM me with your name and address.
PM sent
Quote from: Newell Nut on April 22, 2015, 12:22:07 AM
Tom has built some of these before and he does beautiful work guys.
Yes he does, he can also build a complete reel, I have one ;).... The man is a genius.
I fished with the 540 3.2 with the new sleeve, delrin and SS star yesterday. The smoothest the reel has ever felt and the fish suffered a little too. Got a nice cobia and 3 mangos.
I'm in for a 338 if available soon. My threads wont screw down.
A dozen of the 300s would be good for me when you get around to them.
Just curious, why did you start with 600's and 500's? The market for 200/300/400 has to be many times larger than for 500/600's.
Tom: You know I'm good for some 2/3/4 ss sleeves also...if they'll fit on the original Blackie/P series. If it also fits post P series (or you make a second sleeve), that would be a plus for everyone who has later models. :) ;) ;D
Quote from: MarkT on June 13, 2015, 01:38:34 AM
Just curious, why did you start with 600's and 500's? The market for 200/300/400 has to be many times larger than for 500/600's.
I made the 500/600 first because there was not anything else out there. At the time we were discussing this, a bunch of SST 200/300/400 series sleeves hit the market.
As it turns out, those sleeves don't fit a lot of the older Newell reels. Am i going to make 200/300/400 sleeves? Probably.
I'd like a minimum of three of the 2/3/4s when/if they happen.
Thanks
-Mike
I could use 6 pcs.
Mike
I am in for at least 3 when you make the 200-400 series.
Speedwagon II
I need 2.
Joel8080
I have one 500 series sleeve left. I won't be making another run for a while, so get it while you can!
200-400 series, 3 please.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on August 10, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
I have one 500 series sleeve left. I won't be making another run for a while, so get it while you can!
Count it sold. I still need a dozen of the 300 series when done.
You got in Dwight! Thanks!
I need 3 for the 300 reels please.
Just so we are all clear, I haven't even started the 200/300/400 series sleeves. There are a few projects ahead of them.
Dwight has a few prototypes to test. The new sleeves will fit all 200/300/400 series reels except the older P series with the 4 stack drag. These are the sleeves with the pressed on flange.
How many of you would be interested in those? Dwight, can you chime in with what we discussed?
Thanks everyone.
2 for me please
1 for the P235F PLEASE
The sleeves are the usually superb machining from Tom for a perfect fit. They will fit all Newells starting with the no letters, G, C, S and late model Ps for 200,300 and 400 series.
They will fit the original P but the recess in the bottom of a 4 stack drag is a slight issue. Solutions are to replace the old recessed gear with a newer model for one. Another idea that I am planning to test since I have found that the delrin under the gear with Bryan's 5 stack is a great set up. What I am going to do is use Tom's sleeve on and old P 4 stack by filing the ears off of a standard drag washer and place this under the recessed gear with a .031 delrin to fit into the recess of the gear.
I will test it today with scales and then test it fishing Thur.
Got a late start on the test today but tried the sleeve in the old 4 stack arrangement and it worked great until I ramped up to 20 lb of drag and the dog started slipping. Will try to figure that out tomorrow and will test a 3 stack arrangement gear set tomorrow as well.
Update:
I found that the style of the old P dog was designed to fit the old 8 point sprocket and it does not lock into the 10 point sprocket well. Newell later modified the dogs with a sharper point and those dogs fit Tom's 10 point perfectly as well as Keta's dogs that he has made for me.
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The dog on the left is from the old P 4 stack and the shape of the end for the old 8 spoke sprocket did not fit well in the new 10 point. I put the newer Newell dog in its place for the new gear sleeve and it worked perfect. I used the .031 delrin and left the CF in the gear recess and after assembly I made several runs on the drag set a 20 lb and no issues. No problem with the sleeve but only with the old P style dog. The one pictured on the right was made by Keta and it also locks into the new sleeve nicely.
I would like to be in line for 4 of these
Quote from: K.I.S.S. on September 03, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
I would like to be in line for 4 of these
Thanks K.I.S.S., disregard the PM . Now I know which sleeves you wanted.
Tom
If these are the 2,3 & 400 Newell Sleeves how much money each?
Thanks
Mike
I will take 1 for the 200-400 series. At the risk of sounding naive, are all stock Newell dogs SS?
Keta should have SS Dogs for Newell's. If not I have a few that he cut.
Mike
Quote from: Tightlines666 on September 06, 2015, 05:53:32 AM
I will take 1 for the 200-400 series. At the risk of sounding naive, are all stock Newell dogs SS?
I have only seen SS dogs in Newells.
The 200/300/400 series sleeves are at the heat treater! I should have them back early next week.
So here's what we came up with: these will fit all 200/300/400 Newell reels out there except for the 4 stack P series. They have the counter bore and chamfer for the early series.
I also ran a bunch of dogs out of 17-4 H900 hardened stainless steel. I would suggest changing out any P or G dogs you have that have the sharp corner on one side.
The sleeves are $29 shipping included. The dogs are $5.50 each, also free shipping.
I will post pics next week when they are all done.
If you would like to buy now, here's my contact:
Tom Hryniuk
1445 Kim Court #3
Campbell, Ca.
95008
My PayPal account is my email:
cortezconversions@hotmail.com
Thanks everyone!
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on October 16, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
The 200/300/400 series sleeves are at the heat treater! I should have them back early next week.
So here's what we came up with: these will fit all 200/300/400 Newell reels out there except for the 4 stack P series. They have the counter bore and chamfer for the early series.
I also ran a bunch of dogs out of 17-4 H900 hardened stainless steel. I would suggest changing out any P or G dogs you have that have the sharp corner on one side.
The sleeves are $29 shipping included. The dogs are $5.50 each, also free shipping.
I will post pics next week when they are all done.
If you would like to buy now, here's my contact:
Tom Hryniuk
1445 Kim Court #3
Campbell, Ca.
95008
My PayPal account is my email:
cortezconversions@hotmail.com
Thanks everyone!
The sleeves and dogs are done. Thanks to everyone who pre-ordered, your parts are on the truck in the morning!
Tom,
Any sleeves available for the 300 series? I was fishing in Mexico, just got back yesterday. Let me know.
Speedwagon II
Quote from: speedwagon2 on October 21, 2015, 08:08:04 PM
Tom,
Any sleeves available for the 300 series? I was fishing in Mexico, just got back yesterday. Let me know.
Speedwagon II
Yes, the sleeves for the 200, 300, and 400 series reels are done.
All the info is a couple of posts before this one.
Thanks,
Tom
I received the new 300 series gear sleeves and they are just as awesome as the 500s were. Beautiful work again by Tom.
Tom's work is flawless!
Tom
Just received the 200 sleeve it's a work of art.
Thank you
Joel 8080
I received the sleeve today. My reel is allot quieter than the original sleeve. It also has less movement in the handle. Carl Newell could have used Tom when he designed the reels. This is a major improvement over the original sleeve.
Hello All,
Newell Nut just sent me a message:
"I had problem today installing one of the new sleeves. It would not go on the bridge due to small ID. Tried all 6 and failed. Then tested on two spare bridges and no problem. Just a heads up.
For this one reel I used a 22 cal bore brush with steel wool and JBs Bore shine. Chucked it in the drill and polished for a couple minutes and the sleeve fit okay. Odd Bridge post I guess."
If anyone else has any issues, please let me know.
Thanks!
Tom
This was an old G series but the sleeves fit other Gs just fine. I doubt if I polished more than a half a thousandth. I could push the sleeve on before doing the polishing but it was just too tight and would freeze up if it got hot.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 08, 2015, 11:23:33 PM
If anyone else has any issues, please let me know.
Thanks!
Tom
I'm afraid of the dark. :D ;D Dominick
Quote from: Newell Nut on November 09, 2015, 12:33:56 AM
This was an old G series but the sleeves fit other Gs just fine. I doubt if I polished more than a half a thousandth. I could push the sleeve on before doing the polishing but it was just too tight and would freeze up if it got hot.
Thanks Dwight!
Quote from: Dominick on November 09, 2015, 01:06:27 AM
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 08, 2015, 11:23:33 PM
If anyone else has any issues, please let me know.
Thanks!
Tom
I'm afraid of the dark. :D ;D Dominick
Dominick, thats what Zin is for!
I prefer Merlot and by the way it is now after 5 oclock. Time to unwind my reel.
Was looking for a couple main gear sleeves for 300 series and a/r dogs. I sent a PM separate. If you have any in stock, let me know.
Jim
Quote from: bigggfish on January 20, 2016, 12:18:53 AM
Was looking for a couple main gear sleeves for 300 series and a/r dogs. I sent a PM separate. If you have any in stock, let me know.
Jim
PM sent! Thanks!
Hello Tom,
I'm also interested in a S/S gear sleeve for a 400 series and matching dog if you have any in stock.
Dion
His Tom,
There were a number of people looking for gear sleeves on the Newell Facebook page. I kept referring them here. Several said they looked for you on eBay....
Jim
Quote from: bigggfish on February 02, 2016, 11:06:04 PM
His Tom,
There were a number of people looking for gear sleeves on the Newell Facebook page. I kept referring them here. Several said they looked for you on eBay....
Jim
Yeah, I let all my listings expire on Ebay. I'd rather sell gear here cheaper and without the fees. So please keep sending them this way!
Thanks,
Tom
Quote from: Delflein on January 30, 2016, 08:10:48 AM
Hello Tom,
I'm also interested in a S/S gear sleeve for a 400 series and matching dog if you have any in stock.
Dion
PM sent!
Thanks,
Tom
Hi Tom,
PM sent
The 500 series sleeves are back in stock! ;D
Tom
Tom,
PM'd you. I'd like 2 500's
Thanks,
Jim
I'm interested in one s.s. gear sleeve for an S338-5, if you still have them, and one for an S533-4.6. PM sent.
Are the ss gear sleeves still available for the 200-300 G-series?
If so, is there a modified version that will work in the older P-series?
Check Toms store for the sleeve.
Quote from: russ1962 on August 28, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
Are the ss gear sleeves still available for the 200-300 G-series?
If so, is there a modified version that will work in the older P-series?
The easiest thing to do would be to replace the gears with a newer model.
Barring that, Newell Nut mentioned cutting a delrin spacer to replace the under gear washer. You will have to replace the dog(s) as well to the newer style.
I have them available, but not listed on the web site, so just holler if you want them.
Tom
I've got the Cortez SS Sleeve and Bryan Young's drag upgrade in my 338 and the Cortez SS Sleeve in my 533. The 338 hasn't been fished yet, but the 533 has been fished yo-yo and dropper loop several times, got a few yellows, and the reel feels great.
I've been thinking thinking about upgrading the drag in the 533 next, mainly to make it easier to set the drag and get smoother drag, and maybe upgrading the drags in my 220, 229, and 332 as well, because well, you can never have too much drag, right?. And I was wondering, do the Newell brass gear sleeves actually have the same problem as the Penns, that is, rounding off the brass gear sleeve at higher drag settings? Or, is the sleeve upgrade mainly for corrosion resistance? [The Newell sleeve design is a little different than the Penn, and I never really thought about that when upgrading the 338 and 533 gear sleeves. I just wanted them! :)]
The Newell OEM gear sleeve is hardened bronze and no issues really. The SS sleeves were made to give us a 10 tooth capability in all the newells (early versions had 8) and the best part is Tom's machining is very sweet and better than factory originals.
Hello tom i was wondering if you have any 200 gear sleeves in stock. I also need a dog to go with that. Thank you!
The 200/300/400 sleeves are back in stock! Thanks for your patience.
Order up. Thank You Tom.
All of these sleeves are back in stock!