hey Guys,
as you know I normally fish on Panga boats and the treatment that a fishing gear recieve on a panga is 3x harder than when fishing on a expensive sportfishing boat, the reels and rods are alway banging on the sides or floor of the panga unless you are really careful anyway.
Im looking for foolproof and shockproof guides for the loaner rods used on charter boats (pangas), normally the captains like to use the good old chrome wire guides because of that reason, I was looking for them to get a bunch and repair some missing guides on the rods and I saw this ones that I have never knew before TW pacbay twister wire
http://www.mudhole.com/XTWG-Non-Fouling-Twister-Guides-Hard-Chrome?quantity=1&custcol1=71
have any of you any comment of those?
there are no much comments for them on the web forums, so not good or bad comments
but I found out they are monster size when comparing same # number of that model vs the XGB model
this is suposedly a #7 TW vs #10 XGB hard chrome model
but since they flex I dont that size as a big problem on 50# up to 80# rods
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/2%20Rod%20repair/Pacbay%20TW%20guide%20ss%20725927_e2783cb7a5e128af7dcc6c089fd3083e_zpsueuquct8.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/2%20Rod%20repair/Pacbay%20TW%20guide%20ss%20725927_e2783cb7a5e128af7dcc6c089fd3083e_zpsueuquct8.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/2%20Rod%20repair/Pacbay%20TW%20guide%20ss%20725928_dc5577fc487f06ca220936f62949b15d_zpsgcnb1bfa.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/2%20Rod%20repair/Pacbay%20TW%20guide%20ss%20725928_dc5577fc487f06ca220936f62949b15d_zpsgcnb1bfa.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/2%20Rod%20repair/Pacbay%20TW%20guide%20Curt-Baker-WEB-TWISTER1_zps25hhbk6w.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/2%20Rod%20repair/Pacbay%20TW%20guide%20Curt-Baker-WEB-TWISTER1_zps25hhbk6w.jpg.html)
do you have any other rod guides models that could handle the treatment of rockies on a panga?
That's a very old guide design that fell out of favor for newer styles a long time ago. I've never used them but those ones in the picture look pretty beefy. The old ones were thin wire almost springey. Looks like they might be worth a shot. Tough to beat those chrome guides for durability though especially the bridged ones. Pacbay makes those with stronger welds than perfection did, might be the strongest guides around. A single piece of twisted metal doesn't have much to brake unless the get smashed. Thanks for posting those, might have to give them a try. Sheridan
Hey Alex a lot of the party boats here in in NC use the snake guides because they will be abused daily by tourions. They have caught millions of fish bottom bouncing where fish aren't running. I wouldn't put them on a wahoo rod but for down and dirty work where the gear will get treated like a construction rake have at it
thanks John, those are the comments I wanted to hear, they are pretty cheap too.
I have a rod that a friend (who runs a charter) gave me to fix 3 guides, the other 3 guides are all banged out badly too but they are not broken, he said they are still good ;D ;D
I want to fix all 6 guides for free to him as a gift for his friendship and good service when taking my family fishing with him, but I those Pacbay TW guide caght my attention when I was about to order the chrome wire ones, my idea is to order them and asking him if he like them bofore put them on the rod of course, if he dont want them I will put it on my of my own rods, not a problem.
of course I wanted to check first with the masters of AT.com in case there is a catch on those guides, because the price looks too cheap
Those snake guides of heavy wire are perfectly fine, and they will flex with the rod which is even better.
The have lost it's appeal because they look and are cheap but are just as good as any other ss ringed guide. New braid should not hurt them either as they are usually hardened SS spring material used. If you want something beefier, in Hawaii, you may want to call Tokunaga's. They have what we call Hilo Guides http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=5188.0, and are made from SS or Titanium.
The wire guides are used up here in NY. I can't remember ever seeing 1 break. Now the Tips are another story, we have approx. 6 a month to have repaired.
Mike
Shows you what I know. Been building rods in so cal since the 80s,25 years for a local shop, never seen a rod with those guides except a few really old ones.
The PacBay twisted wire guide has long been the standard on party boat rods here in Florida. The VP at Pac Bay told me they only carry them for the Florida market. I built 100 rods with these guides for the Pastime Princess and never had a failure in two years of serious abuse.
I have also built several customs for local guys that will not fish with anything but those guides. Make sure you grind the feet good to help wrapping and you will have to tweak the angle occasionally for them to fit flush on the blank. They are indeed tough and cheap.
Dwight
thanks guys, thats enough to convince me to jump on those and try them
Hey Alex I just recalled I have a set I took off a rod that are in perfect working condition. I think there are five but I will check tonight. If you want them to see if you like I'll put them in your box next week and you aren't out anything if you don't like.
J
John,
well let me know if you find them, that would be perfect to see if I can make it work on this rod, as you said, if my friend didnt like them I will use them when restoring another rod, I actually have two friends that run charter boats that might like to use this unbreakable guides, both are really awesome guys.
well finally got the TW twister pacbay guides, and also got the guide set that John (thorhammer) sent me (thanks buddy), I will put some pictures as reference for the future in case someone is looking for those guides
at the right is the XBG boat guide #16, center pacbay TW #13 and what John said are also Pacbay, which look bit different that the ones I got from Pacbay but they should serve equal
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/2%20Rod%20repair/IMAG9320%20ss_zpstiskaz2o.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/2%20Rod%20repair/IMAG9320%20ss_zpstiskaz2o.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/2%20Rod%20repair/IMAG9318%20ss_zpsujucddpp.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/2%20Rod%20repair/IMAG9318%20ss_zpsujucddpp.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/2%20Rod%20repair/IMAG9322%20ss_zps8pa9l8ar.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/2%20Rod%20repair/IMAG9322%20ss_zps8pa9l8ar.jpg.html)
I will start wrapping the rod this week, hopefully I have something to how before xmas
Hey Alex, sorry, no idea if they are Pac bay or not, maybe even Mildrum. They came off of a very old rod I had that was in good shape, I think it was a Magnaflex so from the 70's.
no problem John, if the came from a very old rod and are still in this good shape they should be good to be installed on another rod and last few years more
I see I am a little late with some comment. These type of guides were quite popular here 20 years ago as we tend to work our tackle very hard. I had a set made from heavy gauge SS.
They were bombproof, but the downside was that they are heavy and that the line fairly quickly cut grooves in the SS, which eventually cut the line.
I never quite understood how mono could cut the Stainless Steel like that, but considering that we spin fish and make hundreds of cast in a day, perhaps its not so strange. The weight is an obvious problem when you stand flogging the water for hours on end.
Question... on the PacBay TWs, why does the wire make the big bend leaving the top of the guide? Is it to support the top of the guide yet keep it out of the way of the line? Or to help prevent wrapping line around the guide?
I'm considering these for re wrapping a few heavy trolling rods dragging 60-80lb braid.
there are minimal info on the web and forums about TW guides in real world, so really dont know the technical answer for that, but I think it could be two reason, one is to keep the wire outta the way of the line on the big sizes and also seems like it could take a little bit more beating up without deforming with a drop or hit.
Im on the middle of the one Im repairing a rod for a friend as a gift for him and hes running a fishing charter boat so, I will ask him to show me this rod in some months to see how it looks from the corrosion and beating up on the panga boat.
Quote from: BradH on December 25, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
Question... on the PacBay TWs, why does the wire make the big bend leaving the top of the guide? Is it to support the top of the guide yet keep it out of the way of the line? Or to help prevent wrapping line around the guide?
I'm considering these for re wrapping a few heavy trolling rods dragging 60-80lb braid.
Companies such as Star Rods turn the first guide around backwards so the long wire is toward the tip. I assume this will help them work for a wide variety of reel widths. The VP at PacBay told me they were braid proof being chrome plated SS. I would be cautious of running braid through them on a trolling rod. I would use carbide guides for wire line. A bit expensive though but still very robust.
Dwight
I was curious. So, I found some info.
http://www.mudhole.com/XTWG-Non-Fouling-Twister-Guides-Hard-Chrome (http://www.mudhole.com/XTWG-Non-Fouling-Twister-Guides-Hard-Chrome)
(http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n561/Ez2cDave/PAC%20BAY%20TW%20-%20TWISTER%20GUIDES%20-%201_2.jpg~original)
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techical info is there what it is hard to find is real world experiences with those guides on the web, seems like the guys that are still using them or used them at some time, dont like to be on the fishing forums that much.
I would really like to try them so, I ordered two sets, one for the rod of my friend and for the second set I will look on a flea market a rod to restore and put them on it to use it myself or maybe a cheap CRB glass rod
Quote from: steelfish on December 27, 2016, 06:57:32 PM
techical info is there what it is hard to find is real world experiences with those guides on the web, seems like the guys that are still using them or used them at some time, dont like to be on the fishing forums that much.
I would really like to try them so, I ordered two sets, one for the rod of my friend and for the second set I will look on a flea market a rod to restore and put them on it to use it myself or maybe a cheap CRB glass rod
If you are searching on the web, try using the term "foulproof guides" and "pier" . . . They were originally made by a company called AETNA.
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22)
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22)
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22+%22pier%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22+%22pier%22)
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22+%22pier%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22+%22pier%22)Tight Lines !
There are some on eBay . . .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foulproof-Wire-Snake-Fishing-Rod-Guide-Lot-Case-/371749556093 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foulproof-Wire-Snake-Fishing-Rod-Guide-Lot-Case-/371749556093)
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There is also the Tokunaga or Hilo style wire guides. In the northeast they had a very similar style guide in bronze for surfcasting.
-steve
Quote from: ez2cdave on December 27, 2016, 07:51:54 PM
Quote from: steelfish on December 27, 2016, 06:57:32 PM
techical info is there what it is hard to find is real world experiences with those guides on the web, seems like the guys that are still using them or used them at some time, dont like to be on the fishing forums that much.
I would really like to try them so, I ordered two sets, one for the rod of my friend and for the second set I will look on a flea market a rod to restore and put them on it to use it myself or maybe a cheap CRB glass rod
If you are searching on the web, try using the term "foulproof guides" and "pier" . . . They were originally made by a company called AETNA.
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22)
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22)
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22+%22pier%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22+%22pier%22)
https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22+%22pier%22 (https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22+%22pier%22)
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thanks for the heads up, a quick reading on some of those threads I found out most of them are old threads and talking monsly about AETNA foolproof guides (seems that those are the ones John sent me), those are SS while Pacbay TW guides are hard chrome, supposedly this last ones are bit better handeling braid line, good thing is that 90% of the local charter guys use exclusively Mono line one the loaner reels/rods.
I did the foul proof on a bunch of rods for a charter boat a few years back. At the time there were a couple different
manufactures of them and the wire size was considerably different. I can't remember which ones were better, Pac Bay
or the in house brand from Merrick tackle. If you do find a choice go by the heavier gauge (lower number of wire size).
Dave
This got me to thinking which is scary, I had some leftovers from when I did that job. I'm sure
the Merrick guides were the better ones but where to find them now is anyones guess.
This is from an old 2007 catalog which on the Merrick guides has the wire size. PacBay's
are not listed. The last picture are 2 #16's one the left is PacBay and right is Merrick.
You might find some of these on Ebay or if you only need a few send me a message, I might have
enough for a rod so you can try.
Dave
Quote from: droppedit on December 28, 2016, 12:34:40 AM
... if you only need a few send me a message, I might have
enough for a rod so you can try.
Dave
hey Dave, Im interested, you have a PM.
Those guides would be nice here in Baja, I havent seen a fishing rod locally with them and broken/bent guides and broken ceramic are the main problem on the rods on charter boats.
as I said before, 90% of the charter boats are using mono line with good old chrome boat guides because they hate those nice, pretty and expensive ceramic guides on rods for the clients, so this Pacbay TW or Merrick could be a nice option.
Apparently, GUDEBROD either made some or sold them under their name . . .
These are for a Spinning rod.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122271914961 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122271914961)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YTgAAOSw5cNYLLA5/s-l1600.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e98AAOSw5cNYLLCu/s-l1600.jpg)
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I apologize for not saying that Merrick went under a few years back. Mudhole bought out all their old stock
and there are so many items that are now no longer available. This seems to be the way the world is going.
I sent you a PM and I'll put together a set of guides for you.
Dave
Quote from: oc1 on December 27, 2016, 08:29:54 PM
There is also the Tokunaga or Hilo style wire guides. In the northeast they had a very similar style guide in bronze for surfcasting.
-steve
Those Hilo ones are super strong and stronger than any of the TWs that I have seen. They do cost a little more though so I passed on them when I found them in Honolulu. They are pretty much standard on most Ulua surf rods.
Dwight
I found some US PATENT data on the guides . . . ( Atached PDF's below )
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Just buy the ones at Mudhole and you will be fine. I have built over a 100 rods with those guides and never a problem. They are very tough and very cheap at the same time.
Quote from: Newell Nut on December 29, 2016, 05:04:16 PM
Just buy the ones at Mudhole and you will be fine. I have built over a 100 rods with those guides and never a problem. They are very tough and very cheap at the same time.
this is the kind of direct experience I was looking to find on the current TW guides, thanks Dwight
on a side note I finally finished to restore my friend's fishing rod with the TW guides on it, not my best restoring job to date but I learned a lot of things working on this rod, I didnt knew how hard it was to work with epoxic on a cold winter, I put some on the decorative long trim and guides and it was ugly it was like working with thick honey, I had to use the torch a lot and made a mess at the end dannng%#$%$#$, I was so frustated, I had to take all the epoxic out, then cleaned the best a could and waited 2 days to put another batch of epoxic, this time I had to warm the epoxic prior to mix it, then keep it warm during the process and still had a short pot life comparing to working on it on summer time, anyway, its done, ended up better that I though it would and its drying on a rod shelf to give it to the owner in few days.
I will post some pictures when I came back from a short vacations I will took starting today and for the rest of the weekend, time will tell how long those Pacbay guides will last on a rough panga charter, thanks guys for all your help and input on this topic.
Quote from: steelfish on December 29, 2016, 05:29:39 PM
I will post some pictures when I came back from a short vacations I will took starting today and for the rest of the weekend, time will tell how long those Pacbay guides will last on a rough panga charter, thanks guys for all your help and input on this topic.
I made a new thread for the restoring job, please check it out its already up and running
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=20240.0