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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn - Vintage => Topic started by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 09:56:18 PM

Title: 47 Anglesea
Post by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Please post your questions about the chronology of this reel in this thread.
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: sdlehr on June 27, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
The Anglesea was introduced in two sizes in 1938; the model 47 250 yards and the model 48 300 yards. The 48 was only produced for that first year, then disappeared. The 47 was not in the 1941 catalog no 9, so it was only in production for 3 years, '38-'40. It's a hard reel to find. I got lucky a few months ago and picked one up in really great shape. Here she is, for your amusement. I suspect it is not possible to distinguish the year of production in a reel produced in so narrow a range, but if anyone wants to give it a shot, please do. Waffle clicker and yardage stamped on foot may point to this being a first year model, but the handle is plastic, not wood.

Sid
(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_27_06_16_9_39_10.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_27_06_16_9_40_48_146412270.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_27_06_16_9_40_49_14644320.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_27_06_16_9_40_51_14647219.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_27_06_16_9_40_50_14646356.jpeg)
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 27, 2016, 05:08:47 PM
Wow Sid!
That is a beauty.
I have all the picture plates except for one. I found it on a Surfmaster 250 over the weekend.
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: sdlehr on June 27, 2016, 05:14:36 PM
Daron, very nice find! I also love the picture plates, but haven't sat down to figure out which ones I've got and which ones I do not. Are they all documented in the thread on picture plates here http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12512.0 ?

Sid
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 27, 2016, 06:47:05 PM
That is what I'm going off of.
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Penn Chronology on June 28, 2016, 06:48:18 AM
Here is the most fun picture plate I have.............................................................

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Senators/PennSenator118--HanesLassiterPresentationReel009640x480_zpsbef91850.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 28, 2016, 09:11:23 AM
I remember that one. ;D
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: sdlehr on June 28, 2016, 01:54:22 PM
I agree, Mike, that may be the most beautiful of all the designs I have seen.

Sid
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: sdlehr on June 28, 2016, 08:13:21 PM
Wait, where did that left side plate come from? Is it custom? Looks like SS.

Sid
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 28, 2016, 09:12:19 PM
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9080.0
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Penn Chronology on June 29, 2016, 04:09:23 PM
QuoteWait, where did that left side plate come from? Is it custom? Looks like SS.

Ha, I knew that one would throw you...............!   ???

Follow Daron's link and you will learn about the old Hanes Underwear Reel......... ;)
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: mizmo67 on June 29, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
Love the picture plates. I wish they still did these!
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Penn Chronology on June 30, 2016, 04:56:01 AM
QuoteLove the picture plates. I wish they still did these!

Maybe they will bring them back someday. Never know when the nostalgia bug hits a maker. ::)
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: milne on November 08, 2018, 06:32:20 AM
Hi again, another reel that arrived today.
It has a blank tail plate unlike the one above.
any info gratefully received.

Thanks
Col
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 08, 2018, 06:51:24 AM
Definitely Pre-War. 1940's Model.
That is a great find.
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Swami805 on November 08, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
I saw a box for one on the big auction site the other day. I put an early bid on it but it went for $392, a tough box to find.
That's a nice one Col,  You're on a roll!
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 10, 2018, 08:23:33 AM
QuoteI saw a box for one on the big auction site the other day. I put an early bid on it but it went for $392, a tough box to find.
That's a nice one Col,  You're on a roll!

I saw that too and also placed a bid. The funny thing about that auction was the reel in the box was a Model 97 Silver Beach. I had one of those and sold it for about $50.00. I guess I should have kept it. The white box is very hard to find, but, that auction set a record high for that model. I know the buyer, he is a very serious collector.

The Anglesea model was only made for three years and each year was slightly different from the other. finding the 300 yard version is really tough, it was only made for the 1938 model year.

Here is a 1938 model on the left and a 1940 model on the right.
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: milne on November 10, 2018, 08:47:43 AM
Nice reels.
My Anglesea has no yardage stamp like the one you put up earlier in the thread.
As mentioned it has a blank side plate.
Were the 48's stamped with yardage and is the blank plate another way of identifying between that and a 47 ?


Col
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: milne on November 10, 2018, 09:00:23 AM
I stand corrected, mine does have 250yards stamped on it,  very faintly.




Col
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 10, 2018, 09:51:02 PM
My opinion about how to identify the year an Anglesea model was made is basically a process of deduction. The two reels in my photo are a 1938 and a 1940. You can see that the logos are different. The 1938 has the older style double bar logo and a scalloped handle screw without the locking set screw. I have a Anglesea that I believe is a 1939 model. It has a handle with the locking screw in use but has the old double bar logo. As far as the tail plates, I assumed that all had the picture plate. Hard to say that 100% because a tail plate can easily be changed; but, all Anglesea models I have seen are the tall ship picture plate. Here is my 1939 Anglesea, I do not have a box for it. $400 was just too much for a box.......<:O(
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: sdlehr on November 12, 2018, 06:24:40 PM
Mike,
Considering the price of a plug mold, and Otto's frugality, why do you think they changed the logo from year to year - it's such a minor change and has no effect on fuctionality.... seems like throwing money away, something I wouldn't have thought Otto capable of.
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 13, 2018, 06:48:54 AM
QuoteConsidering the price of a plug mold, and Otto's frugality, why do you think they changed the logo from year to year - it's such a minor change and has no effect on fuctionality.... seems like throwing money away, something I wouldn't have thought Otto capable of.

I just so happened with this model. The style of the logos changed from the early double bar to the style of the final Anglesea logo for many of the Penn reels. There was probably an across the board decision to change the logo of all the reels. I assume the discontinuations of so many of these models because of the interruption of WW II was not considered at the time of the logo change. I suspect the war caused many of the models to disappear prematurely. Or then again, I could be completely off base, one never knows when he offers his opinions....
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: oc1 on November 13, 2018, 07:18:47 AM
Molds wear out with use.  They probably used the opportunity to make a new design every time a mold was made.
-steve
Title: Re: 47 Anglesea
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 13, 2018, 05:20:17 PM
QuoteMolds wear out with use.  They probably used the opportunity to make a new design every time a mold was made.
-steve

Sure, that could be a reason also.