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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: steelfish on September 28, 2018, 12:37:21 AM

Title: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: steelfish on September 28, 2018, 12:37:21 AM
soo, take your 114 senator or 114h for the matter, then we gonna skip all the excessive work that our friend Mike is doing on his 501 project in here http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26065.0
and we will just take our reel and turn it clockwise 180* degrees until the reelseat is upwards, the reel front face should be pointing to you and the handle should be on the same right side, we will do the same to the rod, rotate it on its axis 180* too and install the reel now under the rod... now go catch some tunas.

??? ???  ::) ::) dont laught at me, it works, it what one of the guys of the new netflix battlefish series did....

check by yourself

https://www.netflix.com/mx-en/title/80195173


Alan, can I have another AT wrench for this tutorial  ;D ;D ;)?
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: Dominick on September 28, 2018, 02:58:58 AM
that deserves 2 wrenches.  ;D  Dominick
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: mhc on September 28, 2018, 06:32:01 AM
Oh.

;D
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: oc1 on September 28, 2018, 08:29:56 AM
Dang.  Good one Alex.  It's like a Houdini magic trick or something.
-steve
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: Maxed Out on September 28, 2018, 03:12:24 PM

Wow......and has anyone tried this with a 113h yet ??

  Ted
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: mo65 on September 28, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 28, 2018, 03:12:24 PM

Wow......and has anyone tried this with a 113h yet ??

  Ted

   Ehh...a wise guy!
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: Maxed Out on September 28, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
Quote from: mo65 on September 28, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 28, 2018, 03:12:24 PM

Wow......and has anyone tried this with a 113h yet ??

 Ted

  Ehh...a wise guy!

I am like the owl quietly learning and observing from my tree branch...

....I do know for sure that it takes 3 licks to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop !!
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: steelfish on September 28, 2018, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 28, 2018, 03:12:24 PM

Wow......and has anyone tried this with a 113h yet ??

  Ted

no sure if it works, its gonna take a while to find out, not an easy task I would say.

Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: RowdyW on September 28, 2018, 05:03:20 PM
It looks like battlefish is using a 115 9/0 under the rod by the way half the turnbuckles are swinging from the second set of lugs. Notice also that now the line comes off of the bottom of the spool instead of the top.            Rudy
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: scrinch on September 28, 2018, 05:35:34 PM
Looks like he's using one of those rockcod hand-crank handles, too. I think I have one of those in a box somewhere.
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: thorhammer on September 28, 2018, 06:34:42 PM
Maybe a good application on the extra narrow 6/0 where you don't have to be as particular on line lay.
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: steelfish on September 28, 2018, 06:57:12 PM
all joke aside, it would be fun to try this out with a 113h (so we can tell Ted if it worked )  ;D

113h tani kit could be a contender cuz its xtra narrow but not sure if the bar in the frame gets in the way of the line (depending on the angle of the picture) but it looks like the almighty Baja Special bar on the frame is not on the way of the line when "underhead" way.
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: Decker on September 28, 2018, 08:22:10 PM
What is the point of an underhand conventional reel?  To eliminate the need for acid-wrapped rods? :P
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: Rivverrat on September 29, 2018, 12:43:13 AM
Changing these reels over to underhead  must be danged expensive. That fella cant afford clean clothes.   At least he's happy... Jeff
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: steelfish on September 29, 2018, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: Rivverrat on September 29, 2018, 12:43:13 AM
........  At least he's happy... Jeff

isnt that the main reason for fishin'?
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: oc1 on September 29, 2018, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: Decker on September 28, 2018, 08:22:10 PM
What is the point of an underhand conventional reel?  To eliminate the need for acid-wrapped rods? :P
Lower center of gravity and balance.  The reel does not want to roll over.
-steve
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: RowdyW on September 29, 2018, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: steelfish on September 28, 2018, 06:57:12 PM
all joke aside, it would be fun to try this out with a 113h (so we can tell Ted if it worked )  ;D

113h tani kit could be a contender cuz its xtra narrow but not sure if the bar in the frame gets in the way of the line (depending on the angle of the picture) but it looks like the almighty Baja Special bar on the frame is not on the way of the line when "underhead" way.

With the line coming off the bottom of the spool it will run under the crossbar. ;D
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: broadway on September 29, 2018, 04:46:58 PM
I've watched every episode of that show and love all the different techniques one can learn.  The jack pole is my favorite to watch and find it amazing that these guys can get out of bed the next day, none the less do it over and over again day after day.  Yeah, the captain of the TNT is one grimy dude, but he puts the fish on the deck.
I also noticed the upside down 9/0 they use and wondered how the guides don;t get ripped off??
I'm surprised by how good of a show it is... they're usually all drama and talking with little fishing but not so far with this one.
Dom
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: steelfish on September 29, 2018, 04:52:50 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on September 28, 2018, 05:03:20 PM
It looks like battlefish is using a 115 9/0 under the rod by the way half the turnbuckles are swinging from the second set of lugs. Notice also that now the line comes off of the bottom of the spool instead of the top.            Rudy

good eye Ruwdy,
at first I though it was a old 114 black sideplates but you're right, its a 9/0 with the turnbuckles still attached.



@ Dom, yep, its a nice TV show, those grumpy old guys have no love for the sport fishermen team
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: Rivverrat on September 29, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: broadway on September 29, 2018, 04:46:58 PM

I also noticed the upside down 9/0 they use and wondered how the guides don;t get ripped off??

Dom

Dom, I have a rod I built fairly recently for testing to see how lite I could build the blank. I went with an acid rap & used single foot running guides. the saves the weight of the added epoxy on the blank. After several fish & pulling repeatedly with 20 lbs. of drag not one guide has popped.

Completely understand the thinking.   However  I think most would be very surprised the force it would take to pull proper double foot guides, double rapped guides from the blank... Jeff 
Title: Re: Tutorial how to turn your 114 senator into an underhead reel the easy way
Post by: UKChris on October 05, 2018, 03:55:28 PM
I'm only surprised more right-handed guys haven't done this already. It allows you to hold the rod in your stronger hand/arm, as you would with a fixed spool reel set-up (oh, I think you'd call it a spinning reel).

Plenty of old big-game reels in the UK were made to hang under the rod (e.g. the Hardy Fortuna) and even giant bluefin tuna couldn't pull the guides off.

Me, being left-handed, found that almost all standard multiplier reels are made for guys like me. I can hold the rod in my left hand, using my stronger arm. My right hand only has to turn the handle, and it only goes one way - easy-peasy!

But the problem with dangling reels, as you say, is not being able to see and spread the line.