Last weekend, my Brother-in-law handed me two Penn reels, a Mag 10
and this one.
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At first viewing, I thought it was a Surfmaster 100, but check this out!
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A Penn Surfmaster 200 Right Side Plate - So which it is?
a Narrowed 200 or a 100 with a 200 Right side plate?? Any of you Penn experts (Sal), is there a difference???
The reel was provided by an 85-year-old Redding, CA Man now is not able to enjoy the great outdoors anymore due to declining health.
But he fished his entire adult lifetime on the Sacramento River from Redding, CA downstream to Sacramento, CA for King Salmon & Striped Bass.
This reel was used, and since it was all freshwater, there is NOT a speck of corrosion inside the reel.
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But we have a few issues needing to be fixed.
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Drag washers are those Smoothies from Smoothdrag???? It took me 10 minutes to get the bottom on in the stack out, it was glued to the bottom of the main gear.
Washers look to be flat, will call Dawn on Monday, and order some new Carbontex washers.
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The eccentric jack has this groove in it, and here's why!
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See the spring tip extending past the eccentric?? I'll need to break out my Dremel and remove the spring to prevent this rubbing action.
BYW, my Son's purchased a Dremel for a recent Father's Day, and for a guy who doesn't use tools, I have to say it works better than advertised!!!
Now, check out the dog!
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Given there is a generous 1/6 turn handle slop, someone reely cranked on this reel over time.
I'll be ordering a new gear sleeve, larger Star wheel, and new handle, per these instructions:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6391.0
One last thing, check out the short LS Stand Screw, need to get a new and longer one as well.
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Once done, this will be my buddy reel, when a friend wants to go Rock or Lingcod Fishing, or Salmon out of Half Moon Bay, we'll have a second reel and NOT have to rent the crap they serve on the Charter boats, always a Penn Longbeach 60 (stored in a bucket of sand over the winter) and a trashed rod missing a few eyes.
That's it!
Wayne
Nice reel!
The Surfmaster 100, 150 and 200 are the same reel in 3 widths. I'd guess the sideplate was replaced with a 200 one as the 100 marked ones are less common. The Surfmaster 250 is a larger reel, Jigmaster 500 size.
I use my 100's for shallow rockfish and lings. I have the old "hot dog" handles, my arms, SS gearsleeve, SS AR dog, and Bryan's drags in them. Some have Newell bases.
Curious too, I have a Surfmaster 100 here and it is 2-3/8ths wide, measured at outside edges of face plates when assembled. Has a 30-49 reel foot, as does a 501, so I wonder the difference. Is the diameter 2-5/8ths like the 100? Or larger?
If it's the same, the spools would have to be different somehow. Hell I don't know anything, lol.
I never utilized mine because of the plastic spool. But it sure feels nice in the hand.
OK I see Keta has the answer. So I'm assuming different seats?
Those are fantastic reels, Wayne -- particularly in that width.
Might clean up the jack gouge a little bit -- which you were probably going to do anyway.
I suspect parts have been switched around and into this reel from any other parts easily available.
Eccentric looks a little chewed up, and the eccentric spring has seen better days.
Try a Delrin under gear washer from Dawn at SD.
No use spending too much money -- it is good as is for a long time to come -- but if you would like, I would send you a new dog, spring, eccentric spring, and eccentric wheel -- unless you have already planned on replacing these.
Keep your eyes open for an extra spool for this reel. Really nice with the quick release sideplate to just pop another spool in when needed on a fishing trip.
Nicely done.
Best,
Fred
Fred Is there an aluminum spool available? I'm assuming it would be 29L-155? Thanks, Rand.
Lee is possibly right on this -- it is very possibly a 100 -- with a different side plate added sometime over the years. That would make more sense, given the expense and issues with replacing posts, spool, stand, etc.
Spools are available in L -- you just have to look around -- think it is narrower than a 155.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on October 25, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
Those are fantastic reels, Wayne -- particularly in that width.
Might clean up the jack gouge a little bit -- which you were probably going to do anyway.
I suspect parts have been switched around and into this reel from any other parts easily available.
Eccentric looks a little chewed up, and the eccentric spring has seen better days.
No use spending too much money -- it is good as is for a long time to come -- but if you would like, I would send you a new dog, spring, eccentric spring, and eccentric wheel -- unless you have already planned on replacing these.
Nicely done.
Best,
Fred
Fred,
Your a nice guy to offer, but I'll be placing an order today with Scott's Parts. Save your money for Ice Tea when my wife and I visit you on a travel trip to Sequoia Nat. Park for a visit next summer!!!
I will file and buff the eccentric jack to remove the groove,
And the eccentric spring works great, it snaps the lever into and our of gear, and us Northern Italian's have an old German saying for it, "It's Goot and Tight!"
Really enjoyed working on this reel!
Thank you all for the input!
Wayne
Fred, I just added the 'L' to the number I found on my plastic spool.
Wayne, that's a nice reel, there might be a chance your buddy won't get it when you're done with it ;D. Lee is right, the stand and spool tell the story on which reel it is, yours is a 100. I have a few 100's with mismatched plates, some have the 150 plate, some have the 200 plate. The reason I do it is because the fish can't read number ;D and the 100 plate is hard to come by. When you do find one it is usually $20, on some of my narrowed 501, I'll use the 500 plate ...same reason.
Good call shaving the tip of the eccentric spring, if I were you, I would toss that jack and get a new one. The spool for the 100 is part #29L-100, I purchased a few this past month, I have friends that wanted me to build them some.
On my last order that I just received today, that same spool went up from $20 to $24 within a week, still not bad though.
Wayne, that reel will benefit with a stainless steel sleeve, a Delrin washer for under the gear and fresh carbon fiber washers. On my personal reels of this size I keep the brass washers, so far they're holding up.
Bryan's kit is a good one for these, very smooth, but I would still use a Delrin washer to go with his kit for under the gear.
Show some pics when done and be careful with that dremel, your hands are too shiny ;D.
Thanks for sharing Wayne.
Sal
I am sure someone simply switched side plates. That is what i did on mine. I wanted to build a narrow reel and the only spool thats not an arm and a leg is the 100 spool. Probably because scot still has them. Anyway found a cheap 200 and added a frame. Your reel probably had a bad side plate issue at one time and the easy switch was done.
Looks like someone simply kept the 200 side plates.
What I find in collections are that the sideplates are all mixed up. Easy to do with the exploding reels. A previous owner, or maybe even the guy at the shop, had a bunch of reels on the counter and just put them back together how ever they fit. Like everyone said above, no big deal, all same same.
Ron
I put an ss sleeve and a 5 stack in all my surfmasters with tib Frames. Never seen a spring eat into the eccentric like that. It has to be from another reel.
Bryan made the thinner washers and I cut my own drags from .50 sheet.
Common problem with reel smaller than the 113H, I've shaved down many, but I must say, never as bad as Wayne's.
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 25, 2014, 06:08:37 PM
Show some pics when done and be careful with that dremel, your hands are too shiny ;D.
Thanks for sharing Wayne.
Sal
Sal, Shiny??? Kinda like my personality!!!! 8) :o
Broke out the dremel last night, Dominick was out of zinfandel, no reason to stop by!!!
The protruded spring tip is now lower than the surface of the eccentric, and I buffed the outer diameter of the eccentric to boot, it really snaps into place now!
Will finish the project when we return from Los Cabos - Wahoo Warriors we are!!!!!
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BTW, I've been to Home Depot to buy assorted Dremel tips, and after a while, wouldn't it be cheaper if the company gave away dremels when you purchase $75 or more of add on tips??? Those of you older than age 50 may remember Kodak giving away the 110 Instamatic camera when you purchased 10 packs of flashcubes!! Now that was a good deal!!!
Wayne
;D ;D.
You're right Wayne, I'm always buying accessories only to have my helper lose them, they're not cheap.
Good luck on that trip and make sure Dominick behaves.
Good job on that Surfmaster ;).
I expect a full report Wayne. Be safe and Make Sure Dominick doesn't pack the speedos. ::)
Godspeed! Brother! ;)
Speedos?????????????
I'm cancelling the trip TONIGHT!
I'm back!!!! Finally able to get the needed parts for the Surfmaster 100, after traveling to NYC to visit our Beautiful Granddaughter!!!
Dominick tells me I was one block away from Broadway Dom (the corner of Spring St. & Broadway).
Anywho, back to my project...
Did most of the upgrades, still need to obtain a Delrin washer from Dawn & a steel main gear, but for now, the reel is highly fishable.
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AND BTW Who was the Penn Mensa Student who decided to use a copper strip for a dog spring??? Getting this piece into the right side plate left me in a ball of sweat (and it's 52 degrees in my garage) and off the chart blood pressure!!! Followed instructions from this posting:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2101.15
Finally got it installed...
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But finally, DONE, DONE and DONE!!!!
And I think this will be my new Rockfish & Lingcod reel, and retire my Daiwa Sealine 27H to "Buddy Reel" status!!!!!
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Per usual, like when I change a spark plug on a lawnmower, I have a small box of leftover parts!!!!
Same issue here, anyone want these leftover parts????
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You forgot one more part. It is my custom sleeve spacer.
Quote from: El Pescador on December 31, 2014, 11:25:19 PM
I'm back!!!! Finally able to get the needed parts for the Surfmaster 100, after traveling to NYC to visit our Beautiful Granddaughter!!!
Dominick tells me I was one block away from Broadway Dom (the corner of Spring St. & Broadway).
Any who, back to my project...
Did most of the upgrades, still need to obtain a Delrin washer from Dawn & a steel main gear, but for now, the reel is highly fishable.
(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii518/wdeutscher/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1821_zps29888ec7.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/wdeutscher/media/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1821_zps29888ec7.jpg.html)
AND BTW Who was the Penn Mensa Student who decided to use a copper strip for a dog spring??? Getting this piece into the right side plate left me in a ball of sweat (and it's 52 degrees in my garage) and off the chart blood pressure!!! Followed instructions from this posting:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2101.15
Finally got it installed...
(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii518/wdeutscher/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1823_zpscd47c44a.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/wdeutscher/media/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1823_zpscd47c44a.jpg.html)
(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii518/wdeutscher/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1825_zpse4e21dbb.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/wdeutscher/media/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1825_zpse4e21dbb.jpg.html)
But finally, DONE, DONE and DONE!!!!
And I think this will be my new Rockfish & Lingcod reel, and retire my Daiwa Sealine 27H to "Buddy Reel" status!!!!!
(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii518/wdeutscher/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1826_zpsa150f0c2.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/wdeutscher/media/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1826_zpsa150f0c2.jpg.html)
(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii518/wdeutscher/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1827_zpsc1549f40.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/wdeutscher/media/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1827_zpsc1549f40.jpg.html)
Per usual, like when I change a spark plug on a lawn mower, I have a small box of left over parts!!!!
Same issue here, anyone want these left over parts????
(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii518/wdeutscher/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1831_zps1773a009.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/wdeutscher/media/Penn%20Surfmaster%20100/IMG_1831_zps1773a009.jpg.html)
Good Work Wayne! ;D
She is Beautiful!
You think that little brass spring is tough. The little 99 coiled spring is a real treat if you don't have the knack.
Here's a youtube video from Scott's that shows a slightly different approach to getting the surfmaster dog spring back in without losing your mind. I found it useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oXKJAeVMkM
--Mike
Is the width of the posts on the 100 the same as the 501 and 506? I have yet got my hands on a 100 or a 200 for that matter.
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 16, 2015, 08:45:16 PM
Is the width of the posts on the 100 the same as the 501 and 506? I have yet got my hands on a 100 or a 200 for that matter.
Yes, the 100 shares the same stand ( 30-49 ) as the 501 and 506.