Hi, I'm trying to get more drag star travel in a squidder. If I remove the wavy washer on my drag stack will it hurt anything? I know without it I can get a full rotation + some and with it I get maybe 3/4 of a turn. Will it effect my drag? I have a ss sleeve n brians 5 stack.
thanx
Mark
If you have the star travel room, Mark --
Flat grind about 1/16" to 3/32" off of the spacer instead.
Or try and take out one pair of the CF drags and SS drag washers -- 4 instead of 5.
Best,
Fred
Just my opinion, but I don't think adding a 5 stack to a Squidder, or Newell 200 series is really necessary, and in your case caused a spacing problem that didn't exist with the stock configuration. The carbon fiber material is good, but 3 HT100's with a little Cal's grease should give you the range of drag for this reel.
Wavy washers act as lock washers, without it there is a chance the star could back out on its own when under stress.
You are limited on shaving the spacer on that reel, but would still help a little. What do you have for under the gear washer, I usually use 0.020" Delrin, but don't have any at the moment to send you.
The Squidder has less travel with the star, compared to others.
Sal
Thanx, but it really isn't a problem, only works better (more drag range) w/out the waavy washer and i wondered if it hurts anything n Sal clarified that.Sal I have a delrin washer under the gear but not sure it's thickness probably got it from Dawn.
So basically what you'll are saying I'm not going to get anymore drag out of a 5 stack than a 3 stack so I could leave out a washer and achieve even more drag range?
I have lots of bp spacers that I have ground down and the ones I'm running now leave about 3 threads sticking out. Does that sound about right?
Thanx
Mark
Quote from: fishhawk on March 13, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
Thanx, but it really isn't a problem, only works better (more drag range) w/out the waavy washer and i wondered if it hurts anything n Sal clarified that.Sal I have a delrin washer under the gear but not sure it's thickness probably got it from Dawn.
So basically what you'll are saying I'm not going to get anymore drag out of a 5 stack than a 3 stack so I could leave out a washer and achieve even more drag range?
I have lots of bp spacers that I have ground down and the ones I'm running now leave about 3 threads sticking out. Does that sound about right?
Thanx
Mark
Having 5 washers from the ultimate kit takes up just as much room as the 3 thicker washers., therefore there is no need to remove any washers.
Besides, even numbers on the washers don't fully work as they should, for instant if you remove one washer from the 5 stack it would be as removing two, fourth washerwould be only a spacer.
Star drag reels work on odd numbers with washers, not even.
Using 5 washers will definitely give you more drag and in most cases more snoothness. The reason I've mentioned you are limited on shaving the spacer is that the star will bottom out on these, it's just too close to the plate.
Do you have the 10-60 star with the cut out at the bottom? Some times those get changed along the way.
Another reason for the wave washer is to ramp up the drags more gradually. The max drag is the same with or without the wave washer when the wave washer is bottomed out (flattened) with the drag star. Rudy
Thank-you Sal, Yes I use the 10-60 star extensively ,but this sleeve came from Tom n it's fine thread, so I'm limited there.
Rudy i'm definitely after smoothnes in my drags so the waavy washers stay
You must have a coarse gear sleeve because a 10-60 star is coarse thread.
sorry rudy, I meant I was familiar with that star and use it on several applications but not this one. sorry for the confusion
thanx
mark
Tried to get a few machinists increase the length by 1/16" on these sleeves, but no one will listen :-\. That would have been nice for most.
Can't remember on the Squidder, but Penn offered 2 different length sleeves for the Jigmaster.
Hey Sal --
1/16" longer would be good.
SS tubing is available in many dimensions -- just pick the right OD, ID, and wall thickness.
Then just cut it to desired length -- work it smooth on both ends -- inside and out -- polish and install.
This is available from many sources -- and is used in automotive, food service machinery that needs to be rated NSF, medical equipment, and some aviation or rocket applications.
Not expensive -- believe it or not -- 316 SS is a good choice for our uses.
Best,
Fred
You can go without the wavy washer in the squidder. The issue will be that the drag pressure will ramp up a lot quicker until the wavy washer flattens out. I have taken out this washer on many squidder because the ones that came in the reel often rusted.
Thanx all! I now have some piddling to do! To Ramp or not to ramp! lol
try fidling wont make such a mess, thank men informetive, cheers don.
I have removed the wavy washer on some reels without and adverse effect....BIll
I actually prefer the stack to ramp up fast, I can make wide adjustments with my thumb, barely moving the star. On the other hand...if I was looking for extended star travel...ramping up slow...I'd never want to loose the wave washer. I'd grind down that spacer enough to keep the wave washer in the stack.
The biggest drag power pitfall for the Squidder is the star itself...it must be the correct #10-140 star with the recessed area to allow full travel. I've seen some where a standard #10-60 star was used and it hits the side plate collar. You can see the difference in these photos. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on March 14, 2017, 03:04:17 AM
I actually prefer the stack to ramp up fast, I can make wide adjustments with my thumb, barely moving the star. On the other hand...if I was looking for extended star travel...ramping up slow...I'd never want to loose the wave washer. I'd grind down that spacer enough to keep the wave washer in the stack.
The biggest drag power pitfall for the Squidder is the star itself...it must be the correct #10-140 star with the recessed area to allow full travel. I've seen some where a standard #10-60 star was used and it hits the side plate collar. You can see the difference in these photos. 8)
Mo, in Fishawks reel he went to a fine thread gear sleeve so he can't use the 10-140 star. He is probably using a 10-505 star which doesn't have that recess in the back & the 505 star is also slightly thicker. Adam's stars are also as thick as 505 & 66 stars. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on March 14, 2017, 03:42:39 AM
Mo, in Fishawks reel he went to a fine thread gear sleeve so he can't use the 10-140 star. He is probably using a 10-505 star which doesn't have that recess in the back & the 505 star is also slightly thicker. Adam's stars are also as thick as 505 & 66 stars. Rudy
That's why I mentioned the #10-140 star...so he would know why the new parts are not playing nice. This problem sounds a lot like that thread a few days ago where the Hoyt was trying to use aftermarket parts on his squidder. That collar on the side plate is a party pooper when it comes to customization! 8)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=20520.15
I just want to mention if you take a look at the Squidder head plate, you would quickly learn not to to mess with it.
Thanks again men! By You all's recommendations I have gone from 3/4 of a turn to 1 1/2 turns! And for a squidder that's good in my book! I would still like to see a gear sleeve just a little longer and maybe adam's stars made thinner. ???????