tony asked about a san francisco trip, so i spoke to a friend of mine about chartering his boat. craig hansen owns the argo at san francisco's fisherman's wharf. it's a 6 pack and the normal price is $175 per person. he is willing to give us the boat for a full day trip for $600 and it includes live bait. so i need five more guys at $100 each. joey will be our deckhand for the day. i'm not sure if it will be salmon outside the gate, rockfish and lingcod along the coast, or halibut and stripers inside the bay. it's a slow moving boat, but very relaxing. to sign up, just post here and say "in" and then send me a paypal gift or a check. thanks! alan
skipper - craig hansen
on deck - joey fortina
1. alan tani - paid in full
2. bryan young - paid in full
3. dominick libonati - paid in full
4. steven williams - paid in full
5. tim liddle - paid in full
6. rick lesco - paid in full
standby
7. tony barbos
8.
check out craig's website at http://argosportfishing.com/
I'm in. Can I catch a ride with you two?
The albacore are here now so I'm not driving further than Coos Bay, Have a fun trip.
Sure!
I'm in with my scopolamine patch. I'm hoping for salmon. Dominick
In like flint...
steve
I want to go
you're both in. tim you can crash out at my place! joey will likely be here as well. dominick, we will pick you up on the way. bryan, we will figure out what time you need to be here. steve, got the paypal payment, thanks! one more. anybody?
this will be a hoot for sure!!!
Sha... DANG!
Sounds like a great trip, but I have a noncancelable business meeting on the same day!
Tight Lines Boys!
Wayne
Hope you have a great trip. ;D
Alan Rick Lesco, your fishing mate on the California Dawn would like to join us. Do you need some money from us now? Dominick
it will be great to fish with rick again. no hurry on the payment. anytime is fine. thanks! alan
Quote from: alantani on July 01, 2015, 04:42:12 AM
you're both in. tim you can crash out at my place! joey will likely be here as well. dominick, we will pick you up on the way. bryan, we will figure out what time you need to be here. steve, got the paypal payment, thanks! one more. anybody?
Alan no need to pick me up. I'll meet you at the boat. I'll sort out the paypal payment. Dominick
One more thing. When will we know what fish we will be targeting? Dominick
I'll be on standby if I can.
tony, you're on. thanks!!!
dom, i'm not sure. if the salmon are biting, we may likely take a crack at them. rockfish is always an option unless the weather is too bad. then there are stripers and halibut in the bay. with a 6-pack, we have lots of options!
only 10 setups each needed then? :P
no, no, only 8 rods per person allowed! ;D
Quote from: alantani on July 02, 2015, 04:25:57 PM
tony, you're on. thanks!!!
dom, i'm not sure. if the salmon are biting, we may likely take a crack at them. rockfish is always an option unless the weather is too bad. then there are stripers and halibut in the bay. with a 6-pack, we have lots of options!
Cool let me know if there's a cancel & I'll be there.
(If I get on hopefully it won't be for stripers, too many this year already)
Quote from: alantani on July 02, 2015, 04:25:57 PM
tony, you're on. thanks!!!
dom, i'm not sure. if the salmon are biting, we may likely take a crack at them. rockfish is always an option unless the weather is too bad. then there are stripers and halibut in the bay. with a 6-pack, we have lots of options!
I may need some help with gear and tackle depending on what we are targeting.
we have lots of gear. the only concern would be 2.5 pound lead balls, if we fish for salmon with sinker releases. there are also two planer boards that joey has at the fisherman's warehouse, the pink ladies and the deep six planer boards. i would rather use those than waste lead.
and I always tie on those sinker releases backwards.
I've always used the dog whistles and less than 2.5# if it'll work (and the boat is not too crowded).
Last year at the salmon dinner I won a Luhr Jenson 'jumbo jet' diver supposed to go down 50'. I should give it a try.
My choice would start with rocks & lings (limits of course) then troll or mooch for salmon then. after limits, pick up butts at the gate. If any time was left we could back up to ocean beach and cast for stripers.
Don't forget... after salmon - barbless hooks only!
eezypeezy
OK..Last time I went Salmon fishn' up north we was mooching live bait on 20# line and a Penn 209...What is this throw away 2.5lb. piece of lead? Alan I think I will use some of your gear as most of my stuff is to heavy for the little fishes in that bay ;D Oh by the way what depth would we fish for lings & Halibut I'm used to 240' an below
yeah, mooching would be fun!!! been a while. it's just that circle hooks are bad for my blood pressure!
Quote from: alantani on July 03, 2015, 12:15:55 AM
yeah, mooching would be fun!!! been a while. it's just that circle hooks are bad for my blood pressure!
I think my vintage seeker S670 with my Jigmaster for trolling ? What # line ? 20 or 30 ? I'll bring my spinner for most anything else and was thinking my Seeker Black Steel 7' 30# and my JX would be enough. What say you ? Anything lighter is on you my friend ;D You got to remember it's been a while since I actually got to go fishing ;D Can't wait to talk trash and fish at the same time ;D
i have mooching gear, 2.5 salmon ball gear, and rock cod gear. show up with pj's, a change of clothes and a shaving kit and you're good. ;D
On a serious note...What are the usual depths for Stripers and again for rock cod fishing in the bay...Alan say don't bring anything but I'm going to anyway ;D Stripers on a 3 way with a dropper weight and live bait or will they take lures ? I got so much junk t throw at fish I might as well bring some of it. This will be the first time I ever fished the SF bay
The rocks, lings (and salmon) are all outside the gate. Up the Marin coast or to the Farralones.
Max depth by regs for rocks & lings is 180 ft.
Up the Marin way is usually 40-70'. Farralones gets deeper.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/bfregs2015.asp#sf
I was out off the Marin coast yesterday on the 4th.
Lot's of humpbacks whales and lots of bait and boils.
We saw a few sharks in the 6-7 foot range breached completely, getting some big air before
we dropped in.
It was flat calm outside, inside ...not so much.
Over the past few days an influx of new (much better quality) fish have
invaded the marin coast. We had two fish over 30#'s,
15 fish going 15-20#, and a handful 10# and unders.
We lost 6 30# plus at the boat. Trolled all day in the Slide Ranch, Rocky Pt.,
and Stinson Beach areas in 50-60 foot depth. Fish were taken at all depths
between 35-65 pulls.
Have fun on your trip.
-gary
Quote from: Gman_WC on July 06, 2015, 03:06:13 AM
I was out off the Marin coast yesterday on the 4th.
Lot's of humpbacks whales and lots of bait and boils.
We saw a few sharks in the 6-7 foot range breached completely, getting some big air before
we dropped in.
It was flat calm outside, inside ...not so much.
Over the past few days an influx of new (much better quality) fish have
invaded the marin coast. We had two fish over 30#'s,
15 fish going 15-20#, and a handful 10# and unders.
We lost 6 30# plus at the boat. Trolled all day in the Slide Ranch, Rocky Pt.,
and Stinson Beach areas in 50-60 foot depth. Fish were taken at all depths
between 35-65 pulls.
Have fun on your trip.
-gary
Thanks for the report. Exciting!
Can you recommend a boat?
Quote from: swill88 on July 06, 2015, 03:41:40 AM
Quote from: Gman_WC on July 06, 2015, 03:06:13 AM
I was out off the Marin coast yesterday on the 4th.
Lot's of humpbacks whales and lots of bait and boils.
We saw a few sharks in the 6-7 foot range breached completely, getting some big air before
we dropped in.
It was flat calm outside, inside ...not so much.
Over the past few days an influx of new (much better quality) fish have
invaded the marin coast. We had two fish over 30#'s,
15 fish going 15-20#, and a handful 10# and unders.
We lost 6 30# plus at the boat. Trolled all day in the Slide Ranch, Rocky Pt.,
and Stinson Beach areas in 50-60 foot depth. Fish were taken at all depths
between 35-65 pulls.
Have fun on your trip.
-gary
Thanks for the report. Exciting!
Can you recommend a boat?
I've had very good luck with a couple of Sausalito boats over the years.
I live in Walnut Creek and will take the 45min drive at 4am every time to Sausalito rather
that fight the tides across the bay to the gate from Emeryville or Berkeley.
Don't get me wrong, plenty of good boats and crew there also.
My go to salmon boat for the past 15 years is Roger Thomas's Salty Lady.
He and Jared are top notch skippers for putting you on fish and
taking care of the catch. Tuna and salmon need the white glove treatment.
-g
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I've had very good luck with a couple of Sausalito boats over the years.
I live in Walnut Creek and will take the 45min drive at 4am every time to Sausalito rather
that fight the tides across the bay to the gate from Emeryville or Berkeley.
Don't get me wrong, plenty of good boats and crew there also.
My go to salmon boat for the past 15 years is Roger Thomas's Salty Lady.
He and Jared are top notch skippers for putting you on fish and
taking care of the catch. Tuna and salmon need the white glove treatment.
-g
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Thanks Gman. I'm going to start using Sausalito and try the Salty Lady. I'm in Brentwood so it's your commute + 1/2 hour. At 4AM no sweat but coming back at 5PM... I pack a thermos of coffee & extra food for the ride home.
steve
i was hunting around the website and found this!
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What to Bring
CA fishing license – Purchase license prior to boarding. Buy it online here.
Food and drinks – Bottled water available at no charge.
Warm clothes – Dress in layers. It's always chilly in the morning.
A hat – It can be breezy even on the nicest days.
Sun Screen – You can burn even on overcast days.
A good attitude – It's fishing!
Location
We're located at San Francisco Fisherman's Wharf. You'll find the Argo tucked in the quiet back row, next to Alioto's, and Fisherman's Grotto.
Parking
Anchorage Parking Garage, located at 500 Beach Street, between Jones Street and Leavenworth Street.
Schedule
Full-day trips depart at 6:30 a.m. return 3-4 p.m.
Half-day trips depart 6:30 a.m. return around noon.
Charter departure time may vary to fit the best fishing time, or client schedule.
Bay tours and parties/special events, call for schedule.
A note on our reels
The reels used on the Argo are maintained by Alan Tani. If you're an angler who wants keep your reels in top form, we highly recommend Alan. www.alantani.com
i spoke to craig this morning. salmon is a possibility. the bite has been spotty at best. if we fish for salmon, we will be using 2.5 pound lead with sinker releases. i have a few of these left, but craig will provide the rest at no cost. i have four of the old 7 foot calstars with penn 320 gti's that can be used for 2.5 pound lead trolling. i also have a bunch of leaders for hoochies and flashers, rotary salmon killers, or spoons.
if the salmon bite is off, we have an option for live bait rock cod and ling cod outside the gate. if we go for salmon first and actually get a couple on the boat, rockcod fishing is a bit more complicated. you can use artificial lures with single point, single shank, barbless j-hooks with no bait. if you use bait, you have to use a barbless circle hook. rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!
stripers and halibut in the bay are a possibility, but craig checked the tides and they will not work for salmon first, then stripers or halibut.
the boat would leave the dock at 6:30am (according to the website) and return by 4pm. i think we would want to be there by 5:30am. i can throw a big ice chest in the back. joey and i will put together some gear. we have four salmon trolling rods and i can bring six shallow water rockcod rigs, lots of jigs and lots of leaders. we need to see about lunch and that's about it.
Thanks for that info Alan.
I'm going to bring less than I thought earlier after seeing the .2 mile walk from the parking garage to Aliotos. Want to do it in one trip without looking looking like a refugee!
A light trolling rod, a light and and a medium jig stick. One plastic case hooks & lures and a box of sinkers. Lunch.
Also have to think about the walk back with all the fillets. Can't wait.
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 01:59:37 AM
...rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!....
I seem to remember you mentionimg something about hating circle hooks there boss?
Quote from: alantani on October 03, 2012, 01:50:07 AM
i hate circle hooks...... >:(
Maybe you are finally starting to see the light? At least with certain types of fishing?
Barbless hooks for rock fishing?..1/4 mile walk to the boat? I will re think my tackle bag for sure? It will be fun
Quote from: Big Tim on July 08, 2015, 05:30:31 AM
Barbless hooks for rock fishing?..1/4 mile walk to the boat? I will re think my tackle bag for sure? It will be fun
i was going to have you carry the lead weights..... ;D
Quote from: Tightlines666 on July 08, 2015, 03:01:31 AM
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 01:59:37 AM
...rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!....
I seem to remember you mentioning something about hating circle hooks there boss?
Quote from: alantani on October 03, 2012, 01:50:07 AM
i hate circle hooks...... >:(
Maybe you are finally starting to see the light? At least with certain types of fishing?
for salmon, or anything else that i actually want to catch? yes, hate 'em! ;D
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 06:19:22 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on July 08, 2015, 03:01:31 AM
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 01:59:37 AM
...rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!....
I seem to remember you mentioning something about hating circle hooks there boss?
Quote from: alantani on October 03, 2012, 01:50:07 AM
i hate circle hooks...... >:(
Maybe you are finally starting to see the light? At least with certain types of fishing?
for salmon, or anything else that i actually want to catch? yes, hate 'em! ;D
Alan,
I'll make sandwiches for everyone.
Planning on roast beef, ham, and turkey on sour dough and French roll bread with mayo, mustard, lettuce, arigula, sprouts,...
Any preference, let me know...maybe Egg salad?
Bryan
oooh, i love egg salad!!!!! ok, deal! and dominick sent me a link for parking, so that is all set. tim is coming over on monday and is staying at the house. i work all day before and won't be home until 7:30. i'm guessing we'll take the expedition and load up two ice chests and all the gear. don't forget boots and foul weather gear. we need to keep the fish odors out of the car as much as possible (joy still drives it sometimes).
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 06:19:22 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on July 08, 2015, 03:01:31 AM
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 01:59:37 AM
...rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!....
I seem to remember you mentioning something about hating circle hooks there boss?
Quote from: alantani on October 03, 2012, 01:50:07 AM
i hate circle hooks...... >:(
Maybe you are finally starting to see the light? At least with certain types of fishing?
for salmon, or anything else that i actually want to catch? yes, hate 'em! ;D
But he is warming up to them! ;)
I keep trying to tell you Alan, that regular barbed circles are amazing for Rock Fish and beginners love them. :)
I've got a bunch of barbless circle hooks if you want to rig them up. Please let me know.
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 01:59:37 AMif we go for salmon first and actually get a couple on the boat, rockcod fishing is a bit more complicated. you can use artificial lures with single point, single shank, barbless j-hooks with no bait. if you use bait, you have to use a barbless circle hook. rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!
Does it make sense to go for rockfish first? Wil the Capt. decide. I happy whatever we do.
I clamp down on the barbs a lot of the time anytime. Easier to release when the freezer is full.
Hope this cocky talk doesn't jinx me.
Quote from: swill88 on July 08, 2015, 10:40:36 PM
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 01:59:37 AMif we go for salmon first and actually get a couple on the boat, rockcod fishing is a bit more complicated. you can use artificial lures with single point, single shank, barbless j-hooks with no bait. if you use bait, you have to use a barbless circle hook. rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!
Does it make sense to go for rockfish first? Wil the Capt. decide. I happy whatever we do.
I clamp down on the barbs a lot of the time anytime. Easier to release when the freezer is full.
Hope this cocky talk doesn't jinx me.
Just so ya' know that will not likely satisfy CA DFG regs for barbless. If a q-tip is run over the barb and the slightest wisp is tugged off it is a violation and big time fine (like ~$500). :(.
Seem ridiculous but have seen reports of it happening to an unlucky guy trying to comply with regs.
Quote from: johndtuttle on July 08, 2015, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: swill88 on July 08, 2015, 10:40:36 PM
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 01:59:37 AMif we go for salmon first and actually get a couple on the boat, rockcod fishing is a bit more complicated. you can use artificial lures with single point, single shank, barbless j-hooks with no bait. if you use bait, you have to use a barbless circle hook. rock cod fishing, by the way, is very easy with barbless circle hooks!
Does it make sense to go for rockfish first? Wil the Capt. decide. I happy whatever we do.
I clamp down on the barbs a lot of the time anytime. Easier to release when the freezer is full.
Hope this cocky talk doesn't jinx me.
Just so ya' know that will not likely satisfy CA DFG regs for barbless. If a q-tip is run over the barb and the slightest wisp is tugged off it is a violation and big time fine (like ~$500). :(.
Seem ridiculous but have seen reports of it happening to an unlucky guy trying to comply with regs.
That's good to know... when I've done it, it wasn't beause it was required but just to let some go with less blood. Didn't seem to notice losing any because of the barb.
thanks.
Dumb question: Why barbless for rock fishing? Is it just outside the gate? I get the barbless hooks for Salmon.please enlighten
Quote from: Big Tim on July 08, 2015, 11:30:54 PM
Dumb question: Why barbless for rock fishing? Is it just outside the gate? I get the barbless hooks for Salmon..Lease enlighten
Once youv'e landed a salmon then any bait fishing after that uses in inline
barbless circle hooks & lures can be
barbless J-hooks.
Go for the rockfish first and you don't have to worry about it.
once you have a salmon on board, any hook in the water has to be barbless. you know, you might hook up on one of those pesky salmon when you are targeting rockfish.
the skipper might want to target salmon at a particular time of the day, like first light. he will know the water and the bite best.
Makes sense...what sizes should I pick up?
I got barbless shrimp files that my friend Allan made for me...time to try them out. :)
I've never used circle hooks (barbless or otherwise) for Rockfish so I too would be interested in size and brand. As for going for Rockfish first then Salmon, I believe that since you cannot fish for Rockfish in the SF Management area in water deeper than 20 Fathoms (120 ft.) if you have Rockfish on board, you cannot fish for Salmon in water deeper than that depth. How bizarre is that regulation?
Bill
Quote from: alantani on July 08, 2015, 11:52:46 PM
once you have a salmon on board, any hook in the water has to be barbless. you know, you might hook up on one of those pesky salmon when you are targeting rockfish.
Aren't the barbless hooks only required when not trolling?
no, gotta use barbless for trolling as well.