This rod was listed on eBay for a while and I kept going back and looking at it. I thought the Marlin on the unusual crinkle type fore grip was cool and it all looked to be in good shape other than the lack of a butt. I also thought the thread work was neat don't know how he did the stars ?? The writing with date and owners name was cool to. Well I made the guy an offer and got it pretty cheap. I think that the rod being from 1984 it most likely had an Aluminum butt possibly a bent butt but I am not sure ? The reel seat looks like a Lakeland to me but the female ferrules from other Lakeland butts I have are slightly smaller diameter but the nut both on the rod and on the reel seat fit this one. The ferrule on the rod is Aluminum and fits the # 6 Aftco butts so I could go that route and buy a # 6 butt with reel seat on it but I would like to use the older reel seat it came with. This reel seat might not have been original to the rod is another thought ??
What I want to find is a bent butt "blank" with no reel seat to fit this seat. The ID is ( 1.34" ) and the seat has an odd step inside the back end where Aluminum blank fits in ? I have seen these Aluminum butts that look like they are pressed in with a nylon bushing around them for a tight fit and seen others that just look like Aluminum is just pressed in directly so not exactly sure what I need to make this work.
Any body out there ever installed a bent butt into a reel seat ? Anybody have a bent butt blank or know where I might find one.I guess any help would be great !! If all else fails I will get a # 6 Aftco for it !! Thanks John Taylor
Here are pics of rod / reel seat and best pics I could take of inside ferrules.
you can tap on pics to blow them up.
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Picture of female ferrule rod fits into.
John, that looks like an Aftco store a butt without the butt. https://cdn3.volusion.com/vwzye.mzcam/v/vspfiles/photos/SB4%20SEAT-S-3.jpg?1412136933
Not sure but maybe Sheridan can help on that.
Dave
This comes from an old Merrick catalog
I see what your saying but that is an old either brass or bronze seat that is chrome plated. It's very heavy duty. The rod end has that same ferrule as shown with the Stor A Butt but the end where either a wood or Aluminum butt goes is unusual to me. I have never taken an old butt / reel seat like this apart ? I am thinking Aluminum for sure as usually when it's a wood butt reel seat is a tube and you can see where wood is glued from end also they used pins to hold rod straight to seat. John Taylor
Got me on that one,you guys probably know more about those than me. Randy might have something stashed away. I could do that star wrap ,wouldn't want to though,that's a painful amount of work. Beautiful rod,someone spent a lot of time on that one. Never seen that crinkle grip with the marlin before.
Quote from: droppedit on July 15, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
John, that looks like an Aftco store a butt without the butt. https://cdn3.volusion.com/vwzye.mzcam/v/vspfiles/photos/SB4%20SEAT-S-3.jpg?1412136933
Not sure but maybe Sheridan can help on that.
Dave
I agree. I don't know of any other company that utilized the same concept with the removable reel seat section.
John, the end of the reel seat section that the butt fits into should have a built in "pin" exactly like the female end that the rod fits into if it is indeed a stor-a-butt. The butt only section has a recessed indent to fit into the "pin".
Scott
Quote from: conchydong on July 15, 2018, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: droppedit on July 15, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
John, that looks like an Aftco store a butt without the butt. https://cdn3.volusion.com/vwzye.mzcam/v/vspfiles/photos/SB4%20SEAT-S-3.jpg?1412136933
Not sure but maybe Sheridan can help on that.
Dave
I agree. I don't know of any other company that utilized the same concept with the removable reel seat section.
John, the end of the reel seat section that the butt fits into should have a built in "pin" exactly like the female end that the rod fits into if it is indeed a stor-a-butt. The butt only section has a recessed indent to fit into the "pin".
Scott
Scott
This is a vintage reel seat made of Brass or Bronze that is Chrome Plated. I agree the front female ferrule looks like what is used with the Store A Butt but am sure it's not one !!! It's hard to get a good picture of inside of ferrule that accepts butt section so I tried to light it up better. Also pictured is just the reel seat it isn't Aftco. I am pretty sure this fits an aluminum butt for permanent fit not easy take apart. John Taylor
John, after seeing it up close, you are correct. You may have to just try a newer type number 6 curved butt (not a storabutt) and see it if will fit onto the rod ferrule and collet nut. Perhaps a big game tackle store or someone that lives near you with a number 6 would let you check for fit before you purchased one. I have a number 2 and a number 4 but not any thing that large.
Good luck,
Scott
Scott
As I said in first part of this post a # 6 fits as I have a few rods with # 6 butts and tried it but I have seen the blank butts and want to stick to old seat.
I have since found this and am gonna call them tomorrow with my measurements and see what they have. Thanks for the input though !!!
http://www.johnnyspond.com/aftco-big-game-trolling-butts-.html John Taylor
Hi John
I have a Biscayne Rod 130 # IGFA that was built in the late 70s. It came originally with a Varmac reel seat and an AFTCO bent butt (I don't know the size but it must have been the heaviest they made. The reel seat cracked a couple of years ago and by luck Biscayne had one NOS Lakeland seat. They removed the ferrule from the rod with a Dremel and epoxied the Lakeland ferrule. Next, they removed the old seat (again with a Dremel) from the bent butt and exposed a ferrule. This bent butt ferrule was then epoxied to the aft part of new Lakeland seat. From looking at your pictures this is what I believe you have and the missing piece is the old style AFTCO bent butt that would be epoxied to the aft part of your seat.
I don't know how to post photos from my phone to here but if you PM your email I will send you what I have.
Regards
Roberto
Since you have Tycoon Fin nor guides I had a look on ebay. Look at the pictures of this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TYCOON-FIN-NOR-HRH-BIG-GAME-FISHING-ROD-7-80-130-LB-PENN-INTERNATIONAL-80/142870744584?hash=item2143c28e08:g:DuwAAOSw3p1akLym
Quote from: seacane on July 17, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Hi John
I have a Biscayne Rod 130 # IGFA that was built in the late 70s. It came originally with a Varmac reel seat and an AFTCO bent butt (I don't know the size but it must have been the heaviest they made. The reel seat cracked a couple of years ago and by luck Biscayne had one NOS Lakeland seat. They removed the ferrule from the rod with a Dremel and epoxied the Lakeland ferrule. Next, they removed the old seat (again with a Dremel) from the bent butt and exposed a ferrule. This bent butt ferrule was then epoxied to the aft part of new Lakeland seat. From looking at your pictures this is what I believe you have and the missing piece is the old style AFTCO bent butt that would be epoxied to the aft part of your seat.
I don't know how to post photos from my phone to here but if you PM your email I will send you what I have.
Regards
Roberto
Roberto I sent you a PM Thanks John Taylor
I could be way off but looking at the threads it looks like a very early Pac-Bay. I think they started in business making aftco knock-offs, I don't know that they've been around that long though. Just a guess, their stuff doesn't have logos on it either.
Well my thanks go out to Roberto for finding me the perfect butt for this rod. He got in touch with friends that own Biscayne Rod Co and they had one Aftco left so new old stock !!! It's a bent butt that has a piece of Ash protruding that you file to fit your reel seat ! It's only 2 thousands off so no issue !! Then you epoxy it in. Pics to follow when I get it. Thanks Again Roberto !! I will be in touch. John Taylor
Well received Old school Aftco butt from Roberto yesterday very nice !! The shaft that goes into reel seat isn't Ash it's thick Aluminum Tubing with cork inside and it has a hard rubber or nylon coating over it. I have pics below. It was slightly over sized so I used a bench grinder to take it down. It looks rough but it fits snug then I shaped end to fit ferrule like I described earlier in post. Then took grinder and put some groves into Aluminum and also made groves inside ferrule so when I epoxied it it can't spin. I used JB Weld on both inside of ferrule and out side of butt and put the JB plenty heavy !! I indexed butt to ferrule so no messing around while gluing it. I did spin ferrule around back and forth a few times to make sure JB Weld got into all the grooves ! Then I wiped all excess off and clamped it solid so it wouldn't push apart . I think it will work fine. Thanks for looking !! John Taylor
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wow great work! what are you putting on it?
That's awesome, we always continue to learn on this site.
Glad it worked out for you.
Scott
Quote from: thorhammer on July 25, 2018, 06:52:56 PM
wow great work! what are you putting on it?
The rod on page one of this post will go with the butt and reel seat. John Taylor
sorry , i meant reel
I've loved seeing that old rod brought back to life and so glad you found a butt to fit the reel seat. At first I wondered whether it might have been an old Varmac 6H but clearly is isn't.
Amongst my acquisitions, I have now got a Varmac 5H with a solid (yes solid) aluminium bent butt - weights a lot! No name on the butt. I wonder where that originated.