When reassembling the reel I noticed the left side bearing did not match the left side spool pin. The pin is much smaller than the bearing. These look like the original bearings and the bearing cups are original (with writing). I left the dimensions in the shop.
The right side bearing and spool are fine and that side the pin is larger and fits the bearing as it should.
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If you are saying that the right (head plate) side spool pin is the same as the left side -- then someone has installed a wrong bearing somewhere along the line.
If you are saying that the pins on either side of the same spool are different -- and the bearings are the same -- then I have never seen that -- that would be weird for sure.
Obviously a couple of solutions -- one cheap, one expensive -- let us know what you figure out, Keith.
Thinking Daron is an expert on these big ole reels.
Best,
Fred
Hello Fred,
It is weird. The spool pins are different. The right (handle side) is correct and fits the stock bearing. The left side spool pin is smaller than the right side. The 2 bearings are the same size.
The bearing ID size is 0.195. The left side spool pin is 0.143
Wow, Keith --
Strange...
If it were my repair job, I would just replace both bearings (with different IDs) -- call it done, and advise my client accordingly.
Both bearings possibly do not need replacement -- but since it is already broken down, you will never be concerned with one side failing before the other.
Eventually, the sloppy pin side would damage the spool pin -- that would be expensive. And the performance will be much better with 2 new bearings.
Just my opinion -- you know your client.
Let us know --
Best,
Fred
Someone has tampered with that spool Keith. My guess is they damaged it trying to remove a stuck bearing and shaved it down. I have seven of these. Mostly older ones. The spools and bearings are the same on both sides.
I would just find an appropriate bearing to take up the slack and move on. Those spools are expensive.
You may need to I sent a sleeve between the bearing and the spool shaft. Dirty buggas. I hate discovering that I'm fixing other people's mess, but it excites me when I can figure out a solution. I guess it's my Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
Yes its going to be a sleeve or a new bearing if I can find one. I hate it when you can't do a quick common service.
Do you think the pin could have worn down that much? It seems to be round. I'll get the magnifying glass..
I guess anything is possible Keith, but if that was worn down from use. I think the rest of the reel would have worn out too.
The bearing needed is 4x19x6 or thinner as I can use shims. The pin on the left side of the spool is round.
I can't find this bearing anywhere..!
Keith,
I'm starting to wonder if that spool was for an early bushing model? I can't find any information about it.
I know the 9/0 and 12/0 models are like this. Never seen a bushed 14/0?
I put together 2 bearings today to match what I need. The thickness however was 5mm instead of 6 needed. I used what shims I had to take up the slack.
The spool pin is slightly smaller than 4mm as found when using the bearing. I know the bearings for this reel are inch size but for measuring MM's are easier.
Also the inner bearing is too small to be using in this heavy application. But, it did work and spins straight and easy now. I'll have to cobble different bearings together if possible. The original bearing I took out of the reel had been changed at one time b/c it had shields and locks. All the other bearing on both reels, 14/0 and 16/0, had pressed in shields.
I've had a few older14/0's come through my hands and I've never seen one that didn't have sideway play. Sideway play will do a job on the shaft when spinning.
Keith, all you need is a stainless steel sleeve to go over that shaft, that is how I would do it, just in case the owner wants to swap spools in the future. You might need a machinist to fit it, unless you get lucky, you might also need to remove a little more from the shaft.
One person that comes to mind down you way is Bob (Cone), maybe he could help.
Daron, as far as I know, the 14/0 never came with bushings.
Here is a pic from my catalog, this is from the very beginning of the production for the 14/0&16/0... year 1939
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/011_zpsd8ccefee.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/011_zpsd8ccefee.jpg.html)
14/0 and 16/0 have bearings, the rest of the senators have bushings.
Check out the cool hardwood torpedo handle on all.
Sal
Thanks Sal,
I have a machinist buddy that has been in business for 30 years. Mostly military applications. I'm sure he can do it for me but it might take a while. If I could get 2 bearings strong enough I would be happy.
I just thought of something while eating dinner. It may be possible that someone welded a replacement click gear with the pin to the spool. I'll clean it up well and look underneath.
I'll tell you one thing. This is a Humdinger!
I was thinking a thin stainless sleeve over that spool end to make the stock bearing fit. I think a piece of stainless brake line would do the trick. I hope you get it figured out Keith.
Did you see if a 12/0 bearing fits? I am curious now what somebody did to this piece of American History.
Quote from: handi2 on October 17, 2014, 10:31:35 PM
Hello Fred,
It is weird. The spool pins are different. The right (handle side) is correct and fits the stock bearing. The left side spool pin is smaller than the right side. The 2 bearings are the same size.
The bearing ID size is 0.195. The left side spool pin is 0.143
It looks like it was used under a heavy load long after a bearing failed and the shaft is worn down.
Thanks for bringing that up Lee, that's what I meant to say about the bearing above.
Keith, you have a point, but usually one would just remove the ratchet and not part of the spool shaft. I'm not a machinist but I believe that removing part of the spool shaft and attach a new section is harder than it sounds :-\. Anything is possible I guess.
I believe Lee has it nailed --
Bearing failed and froze during a few hard runs -- just lathed the spool pin right down to where it is sloppy.
Someone replaced the bearing, but never noticed the slop in the spool shaft -- or thought it wouldn't matter.
Keith, outside of locating an expensive spool, can you just match a bearing to the smaller shaft from Boca or All-bearing? You could always sleeve it -- but a couple of new bearings would be better -- one with a right size hole, and the other with a smaller hole. That way the reel will be ready for any type of battle.
Best,
Fred
I think it was "lathed down" as stated b/c it is still round and smooth. 4mm in diameter.
What are the dimensions of the 12/0 bearings?
A rough measurement Keith. 4.7mm x 13.
bush out sleeve with brass to Id of bearing .
should be bullet proof
IMHO ???
Well if it comes down to it I have a used spool I'll sell you for a fair price. It's loaded with line so I do not know exactly what it looks like under the line but seems to be in good shape.