Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn - Vintage => Topic started by: Maxed Out on November 14, 2020, 02:09:14 AM

Title: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Maxed Out on November 14, 2020, 02:09:14 AM
 Which conventional penn had the most spool changes thru it's production years ? Mo, Broadway, Chris,  Col, Arlyn, Donny, Chad, Henry, Nelson, Thor, Rudy, Randy, Sheridan, John, Mike, and the rest of youall....cmon you guys let's here it

I have an idea, but let's hear what you think

-Ted
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Swami805 on November 14, 2020, 02:46:33 AM
I'm thinking jig master, pretty sure they had spools from about every material Penn used even silver aluminum.
Or could it be monofils with the different color plastics?
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Maxed Out on November 14, 2020, 03:06:01 AM
 Good guess Sheridan, but different colors don't count as different types of spools in this instance. Please try again  :D  :D

Plastic, 3 piece chrome, stainless, aluminum, etc
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: RowdyW on November 14, 2020, 03:07:13 AM
I would think the monofils too. the spools came in a rainbow of colors.  Longbeach   ???    Rudy
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Wompus Cat on November 14, 2020, 03:08:57 AM
Senator
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: nelz on November 14, 2020, 05:08:22 AM
* * * Jigmaster * * *
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Brewcrafter on November 14, 2020, 05:25:54 AM
I would guess it would be something that had a long production run.  I know Seaboy's had chrome, plastic, and aluminum in their various incarnations, but I suspect that this question is harder than that - I'm not sure that there was ever a 3 piece in a Seaboy. - john
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: nelz on November 14, 2020, 05:38:10 AM
The Jigmaster has had plastic, 3 piece chrome, stainless, and 2 aluminum types; one with line tie post and one smooth. Also, if colors counted, the aluminum have been made in black, silver and red.  ;D
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: oc1 on November 14, 2020, 06:55:18 AM
surfmaster
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Maxed Out on November 14, 2020, 07:17:08 AM
 Keep guessing
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Sharkb8 on November 14, 2020, 10:17:46 AM
I guess the master mariner?

Kim
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: mo65 on November 14, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
   I'm gonna say the Long Beach. 8)
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: thrasher on November 14, 2020, 12:44:31 PM
Mo stole my answer so I'll guess the 4/0
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Deepennz on November 14, 2020, 12:52:09 PM
Hi Ted,

My pick is the #49.....I am aware of 12 different spool types in the 17 production years from 1939 - 1958. I have 11 in my collection and you have the other - that reel with the narrow arbor. I would assume that after 1958 Penn also produced one-piece spools/aluminum spools etc for the #49.

cheers
Martin

Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: mhc on November 14, 2020, 12:53:50 PM
Like others, I would have thought the jigmaster, but since Ted doesn't seem like that answer I think Kim might be on the right track with mariners but wrong model - I'll suggest the 49.

Mike

Oops! Martin beat my guess by a minute!
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Gfish on November 14, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
Based primarily on the production years, I'd mostly go with Rudy and Mo's guess: the Long Beach series. Unless it's model/size specific.
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Jim Fujitani on November 14, 2020, 05:51:18 PM
Penn Squidder????  140 with all the variants of spools, plastic (with and without the 'fins'), metals, aluminum, combined with the 146, and left/right handed???????
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Crow on November 14, 2020, 06:54:52 PM
I'll go with the 49, also
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Maxed Out on November 14, 2020, 07:13:32 PM
 I think some are confused.

The 49 didn't have 17 different types of spools unless you count the plastic spool 13 times

A lot of Penn reels had these 4 types of spools thru production years...plastic,  3 piece chrome, stainless, and aluminum

The 49 is the correct answer. It had all 4 listed above and also had the vented spool. That makes 5 total
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Crow on November 14, 2020, 07:39:10 PM
But, the "chrome" spools came in at least 3 different 'designs", and the "plastic' spools in at least 3 different designs. I'll admit, the part numbers, say, for the "chrome" versions were all the same...but the part was designed differently. I also saw one example of the "vented" spool on ebay (didn't win it!) that was made with the center arbor 'cover" (the chunk of thin brass sheet, that has the diamond shaped holes punched into it...the 'vents"), but DIDN'T have the holes...just a solid surface. Obviously, as parts were "used up', and others made to "restock", quite a few 'design changes" showed up...some, I suppose< were to "improve" the part, and some to "cheapen" production costs. I wonder if some stuff....like these different spools designs, weren't actually made "ln- house', but ordered from another supplier ?
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Wompus Cat on November 14, 2020, 07:43:20 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 14, 2020, 07:13:32 PM
I think some are confused.

The 49 didn't have 17 different types of spools unless you count the plastic spool 13 times

A lot of Penn reels had these 4 types of spools thru production years...plastic,  3 piece chrome, stainless, and aluminum

The 49 is the correct answer. It had all 4 listed above and also had the vented spool. That makes 5 total

Well there are 6 then .
The  (RARE) Collapse-able   open center spool

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n5UAAOSweyVfRRJC/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Maxed Out on November 14, 2020, 09:11:51 PM
 Well Henry, that wasn't a "production" spool, but still a neat spool. Your spool was supposed to be vented. There is a 7th 49 spool that also falls into "non production" category that also should have been a vented spool pictured here on the right. I wasn't counting this one as common spool types.
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Deepennz on November 14, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Hi Ted,
Your original question was 'most spool changes'. I was wrong above - on recount I can only find 11 different spools between 1939 and 1958.
I will list them....
1) The original  plastic spool without the reinforcing ribbon in the corner of the flange, and arbor, as found in 1938-1940 #49's, changed in 1940 to..
2)The plastic spool with the ribbon - 1940 - 1942.
3)The plastic spool changed in 1946 to a smoother, sculptured arbor/flange.
4)By late 1948, certainly by 1949, Penn began experimenting with a  metal spool for the #49. I believe that your #49, with that plain conventional arbor, is the first attempt.
5)The next attempt was to put a continuous metal collar around the a spool, as per that picture above from Wompus Cat.
6)Penn obviously weren't happy with just the plain collar because they then tried drilling 2 holes, every 60 degrees, around the flange, ie a total of 12 holes. I have a non numbered, late 40's reel with this pattern.
7)The next change was to settle on the 6 diamond shaped holes in the collar, circa 1949 - 1951. these are relatively easy to find.
8)In the early '50's, Penn produced the spool for the #49A - a wide, plastic spool.
9)Also in the early'50's, Penn again changed the profile of their standard plastic spool, making it seemingly stronger in the process.
10) By the mid '50's, Penn changed to the 3 piece, numbered metal spool....easy to find.
11)In the late '50's Penn started making the #49W - that wide spool 49 found without the '49A' on the headplate. This spool has a different profile than the earlier #49A.
If you want to sell me that plain arbored reel to complete my set that would reely "make my day!!"
Cheers
Martin


Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Wompus Cat on November 14, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
Gorgeous Reels Ted.
BTW I pulled the trigger on that turd I posted so it will be here in a few days to mess with .
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Maxed Out on November 15, 2020, 12:26:50 AM
 Martin, you are the top dog when it comes to the 49. I forgot about the spool with vents on the flanges.

...and every reel of mine is for sale for the right price, except the ones I use  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Test your knowledge.......mine too
Post by: Dominick on November 15, 2020, 12:44:30 AM
P.M. sent.  Dominick