With trout,,,, :) when you get a bite pull straight up,,,, :( don't jerk or snap the rod and if you hook a big one,,,, :o just take your time,,,, :-\ no roland martin,,,,son oh son,,hehe,, ;) don't make him mad,,,, >:( easy going and you land him everytime,,,, :D but have seen all kinds of stuff on the river,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: Benni3 on April 20, 2020, 03:20:04 AM
With trout,,,, :) when you get a bite pull straight up,,,, :( don't jerk or snap the rod and if you hook a big one,,,, :o just take your time,,,, :-\ no roland martin,,,,son oh son,,hehe,, ;) don't make him mad,,,, >:( easy going and you land him everytime,,,, :D but have seen all kinds of stuff on the river,,,,,,, ;D
That is called a "trout strike". The first thing they will teach you for almost any other species, especially in salt, is to unlearn the trout strike. For a proper saltwater "strip strike", point the tip toward the fly and pull straight back like you are stripping in line. A trout strike just gently removes the fly from the fishes mouth.
I had to learn in the opposite direction. On one of my first trout trips, I got a bite, did a nice solid strip strike, and the poor little 4 inch trout zipped right past my ear :o
I think that for just about any situation where you are not using a light tippet or small hook, you are better off fighting the fish very aggressively. Especially if you plan to release the fish.
-J
The trout strike is such a natural reaction that it takes a lot of effort and practice to not do it.
Benny, I think what you are describing is true for many types of fish. Flounder and bonefish are two of my favorites and both require a lot of restraint.
If you don't make them mad they will not wear themselves out. There is nothing worse than a cool, calm and collected fish.
-steve
It is a art,,,,, ;) but when I hook a big trout and he is in the current rod bent and doesn't move,,,, :o and I don't want to break the line I just wait,,,,, ::) one time for 3 or 4 minutes like a statue,,,,,my arm was toast,,,,, :D but that's ok,,,, :) I have gotten some big trout and some with a fly rod,,,,,, ;) but I think it's just luck,,,,,,,, ;D
Bennie, those are considered to be trophy trout in most places!
Quote from: wfjord on April 20, 2020, 12:11:23 PM
Bennie, those are trophy trout in most places!
The brook in the middle was in a catch and release area,,,, ??? State record at the time was5lb.5 oz,,,,, ;) but had to let it swim away,,,,,but that's ok,,,,,,, ;D
That's a beauty! At least you have a good photo of it.
Quote from: wfjord on April 20, 2020, 09:50:45 PM
That's a beauty! At least you have a good photo of it.
Thanks very much my friend,,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: oc1 on April 20, 2020, 06:09:18 AM
The trout strike is such a natural reaction that it takes a lot of effort and practice to not do it.
Benny, I think what you are describing is true for many types of fish. Flounder and bonefish are two of my favorites and both require a lot of restraint.
If you don't make them mad they will not wear themselves out. There is nothing worse than a cool, calm and collected fish.
-steve
Yes,,,,I think I have seen that on tv,,,,, ;) tarpon fishing on the fly,,, :o oh my,,,,what a ride,,,,,,, ;D
For tarpon, you do have to trout strike if you can hold on and still have your wits about you. They have hard bony mouths.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on April 21, 2020, 03:34:56 AM
For tarpon, you do have to trout strike if you can hold on and still have your wits about you. They have hard bony mouths.
-steve
Maybe you mean a scissor strike. Normally, you just want to do do a strip strike on tarpon. Any bend or angle on the rod, and you are reducing the pulling force on the hook. Normally a couple very strong strip strikes, and then hang on really tight until the tarpon pulls the line out of your hand.
But if the fish bites while coming toward you, then a strip strike may not come tight. Pulling the rod back and a bit sideways vigorously while strip striking (a scissor strike) allows you take a bit more slack out the line and get an angle on the fish, so that you don't just gently pull the fly straight out. Then (hopefully) the fish turns, and you try to get a normal jab or two in before the tarpon takes off. I have had to use the scissor strike occasionally on big dorado doing the zero to 60 MPH bite. Small fish usually come to a stop or turn pretty quickly after taking the fly, but a big fish has enough momentum to glide an extra foot or three, and then you can't catch up to them with a strip strike.
I have caught less than a dozen jumbo (over 80 lb) tarpon on the fly, and maybe only two or three triple digit fish, so I am not the expert on this. But I only had to scissor strike once. Everything else was a garden variety strip strike. All of the small tarpon I have caught were strip striked.
It's funny. Since I learned in saltwater first, the strip strike is a natural motion for me. But you are right. For the long time trout guys,the trout strike becomes a reflex, and they have a really hard time unlearning it.
-J
Some good info here I only done a little salt water fly fishing and getting use to strip strikes did not know there was different ways of setting the hooks
KIM
Yes Kim its all new to me to, benni, its not luck, you need good reflexes, to catch as many fish, that you & Marlo get, reel class, good fishermen, cheers Don.
Quote from: Donnyboat on April 21, 2020, 04:05:47 PM
Yes Kim its all new to me to, benni, its not luck, you need good reflexes, to catch as many fish, that you & Marlo get, reel class, good fishermen, cheers Don.
Agree. Think how good they would be if they got out to fish more often. ;D
A couple more thoughts. Trout fishing with light tippet and small hooks does benefit from the methods than Bennie suggested. It is all about tippet protection, and it takes very little force to set a hook.
As I mentioned before, in saltwater, the strip strike is king, and over time, the trout style of playing a fish is being supplanted by a much more aggressive style. Low rod angle is key here, as is changing the rod angle constantly to always pull low and sideways toward the tail of the fish when you get within the last 80 feet or so. If you are planning to release the fish, taking a long time to land it is not doing it any favors. While there is the occasional species that can be eased in, many more will give up more quickly if you put the heat on.
GTs are a perfect example. Even though GTs have a reputation for being hard fighters, putting the brakes on as hard as you can get away with early in the fight will often break their will quickly.
I have been using a late, light strip strike more lately, almost like fishing a circle hook. I let the line start to come tight, and then a nice smooth jab. I don't hook as many fish, and miss a lot in certain situations, but end up with a much higher percentage of corner-of-the-jaw hookups. Much better for releasing fish, and if I do manage to hook a big one, it can't chew through the leader. Doesn't work as well on the swim up, vacuum, then stop bite.
-J
I've never caught or seen a GT, but sure caught a lot of JC :). They pretty much look alike in pictures I've seen of GT. JC can get pretty big and punchy, but GT must get considerably bigger.
;D
Most GT`s that I have caught, although not much larger than 8 Kg, have a very soft mouths, if you try to put to much presser on them, you will pull the hook, try to stop them from getting under a shelf by all means, but steady steady, cheers Don.
Quote from: Donnyboat on April 22, 2020, 01:50:53 AM
Most GT`s that I have caught, although not much larger than 8 Kg, have a very soft mouths, if you try to put to much presser on them, you will pull the hook, try to stop them from getting under a shelf by all means, but steady steady, cheers Don.
I was taught to break their will as fast as possible.
My biggest GT on the fly was estimated at 40 kilos. I couldn't put the brakes on at first, because it coughed up a pretty big half digested tuskfish (a kilo or two) that got tangled in the running line. Once I shook off the the tuskfish and tightened up the drag it was at the boat relatively uneventfully. Had a nice corner hookset in the mouth. Which was good, as it would have chewed right through the 40 lb leader. But my gawd, Brett spotting the fish, waiting for it to get into range, and not screwing up my one and only shot at it - my heart starts to pound every time that I think of it. Fishing report with photo here: https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=19715.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=19715.0)
I don't remember pulling the hook on many GTs. I have tossed hookless poppers as teasers at them with conventional gear. It is amazing how long a GT will hang onto a plug out of just sheer orneriness. I haven't bait fished for them. I never thought of them as soft mouthed like a true salmon, but I never really took a good look inside the mouth like Don has. Next time I will!
Now those golden trevally that you get are a different story. They never give up, no matter what you do. Everybody wants to catch a GT, but I will take a goldie every time.
Quote from: wfjord on April 22, 2020, 12:27:32 AM
I've never caught or seen a GT, but sure caught a lot of JC :). They pretty much look alike in pictures I've seen of GT. JC can get pretty big and punchy, but GT must get considerably bigger.
;D
Then you know what it is like to fight a GT. Where did you fish for JC?
I think that Pacific and Atlantic Jack Crevalle fight very similarly to GTs. You can beat them quickly if you break their will. They can be even more fussy about taking a fly than as GT, but are less skittish in shallow water. I remember hooking what I thought might be a triple digit tarpon in murky water. Turned out to be a "only" a big JC. Maybe 30 lbs. JC don't get enough respect in my book. GTs can get big, like over 60 kilos, but big GTs are pretty uncommon.
-J
Quote from: Donnyboat on April 21, 2020, 04:05:47 PM
Yes Kim its all new to me to, benni, its not luck, you need good reflexes, to catch as many fish, that you & Marlo get, reel class, good fishermen, cheers Don.
Thanks my friend,,,,, :D but how many fish that don't get hooked or get off,,, :-\ yes that's happens to me alot,,,,, :o all you can do is all,,,, :'( and everybody got their own technology,,,,but it all comes down to what works and where you're at and on that fish,,,,, ;)and it all comes down to luck,,,,,,,I just keep rolling the dice,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: jurelometer on April 22, 2020, 05:05:53 AM
Then you know what it is like to fight a GT. Where did you fish for JC?
I think that Pacific and Atlantic Jack Crevalle fight very similarly to GTs. You can beat them quickly if you break their will. They can be even more fussy about taking a fly than as GT, but are less skittish in shallow water. I remember hooking what I thought might be a triple digit tarpon in murky water. Turned out to be a "only" a big JC. Maybe 30 lbs. JC don't get enough respect in my book. GTs can get big, like over 60 kilos, but big GTs are pretty uncommon.
-J
All my JC were caught around the west coast of Florida from Tampa Bay southward, around bridges, passes, boat channels, and/or grass flats.
I'm into ripping lips. Gonna have a tough time hooking a trout this summer. Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on April 22, 2020, 05:52:50 PM
I'm into ripping lips. Gonna have a tough time hooking a trout this summer. Dominick
You are going to do it,,,,, ;D