has anyone ever done a tutorial on a penn 550ssg or any ssg smaller? I see there is one for the 650 but I wasnt sure if it was pretty much the same. Anyone?
They're pretty much the same. Don't worry, you will do just fine.
I'm with Bryan. The smaller reels do have additional springs by the bail area though. If you can service the larger ss models, you shouldn't have any problems with this one. I'm showing some shots of the 450ss, it might make things a little easier for you...I think :-\. All of my reels have the full metal housing, I'm not a fan of graphite.
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As usual, remove the spool and handle.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2146.jpg)
Next, you'll remove the side plate.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2147.jpg)
On larger reels you could pull the main gear right out,on this reel you'll need to pull the spool shaft first.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2148.jpg)
And the gears come right out
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2149.jpg)
Next, you'll remove the rotor
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2152.jpg)
At this point you'll make sure that all parts are in good shape(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2153.jpg)
Also check the pinion and bearing
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2155.jpg)
The bail works fine on this reel, I'm just showing the parts
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2173.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2177.jpg)
And that's pretty much all that there is to it, just reverse what you did and if you don't have any parts left on the bench, you're good to go ;D
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2179.jpg)
Enjoy!
Sal
Sal,
when are you going to double dog this baby? ;)
Bryan
Wow thanks Sal. I wasnt expecting a full breakdown and pictures. Thanks a lot.
Ryan
Not a problem Ryan, I'm glad to help.
That's a great pictorial. It comes in very handy for guys like me.
I've been keeping my 450 ssg 's going with repair and maintance. I now know the benefit to the old ss models.
I was fishing Florida Keys the month of March; I treated myself to a new penn battle 4000.
Only time will tell if that reel is better than the 450 ssg.
I do like the penn's they are nice to work on with help of guys like you.
Would you believe I broke a bale spring on one of the 450 ssg's and a bait shop in Marathon Fl. had the part. If anyone is in the Keys and needs penn parts try "the tackle box baitshop" nice people.
Have a great day
Hadge
Thanks Hadge! I'm glad that you're enjoing those Penn's.
You're right, they are nice reels and easy to service,
Florida is one of my favorite place to fish, I've been down to Islamorada a couple of times. I've visited most of Florida, East and West, but fishing was limited..... threatened by the wife ;D.
Take care.
Sal
Sal,
Just got a ebay 450ss price was not to bad but the reel reflected the price.
Anyway I had to do a lot of work on it but only needed to buy a bale spring.
I'm with you the ss model is stronger than my newer ssg's.
Your pictures help so very much to get it all back together right.
I now have a great working 450ss 8)
I really need to learn to place pictures on this site so I can give back some help as well.
;)
I'm glad it helped you Hadge, I use the 450ss often. Yes, it would be nice to see some pictures, if I can post them so can anyone else ;D.
Take care, Sal
Thank you for the PICS - were very helpful on my first tear down on this reel.
I have a problem and could use some advice. The AR is not working. The trip camp (28c) has the right motion, but it will not swing back to lock the gear. I can push it manually and that engages the AR so it's not restricted motion. The ECCENTRIC SPRING also engages when I flip the AR lever but perhaps it's not moving enough to force the trip cam back into place? Before I order parts, I thought i'd check here to see if it could be something else.
Thanks!
On the reels like the one Sal posted pictures of, there is only a silent dog. The eccentric only keeps it from engaging. The silver pieces on each side of the dog grip the ratchet. When the ratchet turns backward the dog engages. Sometimes you can squeeze them together and they will work again. I changed the silent dogs out for sprung dogs. They are noisy but more reliable. I like the noise though. ;D ;D Bob
Hey Bayhouse,
I'm no expert but I just fix one of those 450ss up
You should check the dog that sounds like your problem.
Like Bob said there is a little tentsion clip that may be to loose. ( part #4)
Good luck Hadge
One other thing. The silent dogs don't like grease. they depend on friction to help them engage. The ratchet and silent dog fingers should be dry for them to work. Bob
Sprung dogs are the way to go. It is a weak point in the spinners. Make it engage all the time and that is one less problem to worry about! ;)
Quote from: Cone on January 20, 2014, 05:56:13 AM
One other thing. The silent dogs don't like grease. they depend on friction to help them engage. The ratchet and silent dog fingers should be dry for them to work. Bob
I think this might be the issue, I greased that area up pretty good and began to wonder if perhaps the grease was limiting the action. I'm traveling this week and will clean the grease off to see if it fixes the problem.
If that doesn't work, sounds like replacing the dog is next.
Thanks for the great - and fast advice all!
Quote from: Cone on January 20, 2014, 02:35:19 AM
Sometimes you can squeeze them together and they will work again. I changed the silent dogs out for sprung dogs. They are noisy but more reliable. I like the noise though. ;D ;D Bob
^^^ This solved my problem, thank you! Reel is back together now and ready to fish.
Glad you got it working again!
Bob
Quote from: Cone on January 20, 2014, 02:35:19 AM
On the reels like the one Sal posted pictures of, there is only a silent dog. The eccentric only keeps it from engaging. The silver pieces on each side of the dog grip the ratchet. When the ratchet turns backward the dog engages. Sometimes you can squeeze them together and they will work again. I changed the silent dogs out for sprung dogs. They are noisy but more reliable. I like the noise though. ;D ;D Bob
Cone,
Would you post some pictures with some details on changing the friction/winged dogs to spurng dogs?
Leo
Leo, I just saw your post. I will take a picture and post it soon.
Bob
Do you have a tutorial on the smaller and different Penn 430SS? The main gear seems to be stuck and will not come out. After I disassemble it do I just tap the end of the shaft where the handle screws onto? I don't want to break something. You have to take the main gear out to remove the pinion and the large bearing as one unit right? Then there is the trip cam, does that trip the bail to close? These smaller Penn SS reels seem to be easy to work on but the parts seem to seize up easier. That is a huge bearing for such a small reel. Any expert advise would be greatly appreciated.
On smaller reels the spool shaft needs to come out first for the main gear to come out. Not so, for the 650 and up.
Yes I removed the spool shaft first and the main gear does not come out. It must be seized up where it goes thru the right side plate. So it should come out if you spray it with PB parts buster and tap the end of the shaft where the handle screws onto. Would that be the best way to get the main gear out?
I am by no means an expert but the 430ss and 420ss are a little different than the rest of the ss series. The internal drive train is very similar to the older 700 series spinners with the addition of a silent ar dog as opposed to a spring driven one. I would look over the instructions for the housing disassembly of the 704z . once the spool shaft and the crosswind arm and roller are removed the main gear and shaft should lift right out. The ar dog is engaged to its ratchet on the inside of the main gear and I think comes out with the gear. The rotor and bail assembly are about the same as the other ss reels I hope this helps
If the main gear and handle shaft are frozen and not turning? -- get some penetrating oil or PB as far as possible into the shaft area where the gear shaft goes through the housing. Get some of the PB into the oiler hole on top of the shaft housing also. If the shaft is turning, the job won't be as hard.
There is a brass bushing that seems like part of the housing -- but it is replaceable, if the gear shaft is gummed up, or?
My experience is to make sure everything is out of the way -- soak the shaft overnight -- place the housing on a flat chunk of wood, with the handle shaft pointing up -- hold a piece of wood against the top of the shaft -- then tap the wood with a hammer. Sometimes you do not want to get too aggressive -- but this is what is needed in this case -- it will come out. Inspect the gear shaft, bushing, and the interior of the shaft housing.
Get it all cleaned up with a drill bit covered with "0000" steel wool -- clean and polish the shaft, and bushing. ReOil and put it back together -- shouldn't be any issues -- let us know how you did.
Good luck,
Fred
Im pretty sure there's a snap ring retaining the pinion gear.
Leo
You are correct Doug, the 430ss is very similar to the 700 series.
https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/430ss.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/430ss.pdf)
fishhead, I would take Fred's advise on removing all that you can and soak it in some penetrating oil.
I would then screw the handle back on, but not all the way and use it to help push the gear out.
If that doesn't do, it will need to be topped out.
Good luck with using PB, I'm not able to use it. That stuff is nasty, but gets the job done.
Paslode solvent cleaner has been working wonders for me. I'm not affiliated, I use it on my jobs and one day decided to take it home and try it on some parts. I did not stop using it ever since.
Good luck and let us know how you make out.
Sal
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Thanks Fred. I think you hit the nail on the head or the handle shaft on the head. Your method is exactly what I was thinking to do but I wanted to get some confirmation first. You are a smart man and I will try that method for sure.
Boy that main gear shaft was seized really bad. After hitting it with PB parts buster many,many times and hitting the end of the shaft where the handle screws onto with a hammer with hard plastic ends, it finally came out an hour later. Ugh! Now the large bearing won't come out. There must be a trick in removing the pinion gear to access the bearing. Is there a certain technique in getting that pinion gear and bearing out?
The pinion bearing has a snap ring holding it in place -- sometimes grease or oil hide this pretty well in it's groove.
Best,
Fred
I did remove the snap ring that goes on top of the bearing but still the bearing and pinion gear will not come out. Don't you have to remove the pinion gear first before removing the large bearing? Is there a trick in removing the pinion gear?
It is probably frozen in the housing like the other bearing was. You may be able to put a large washer on the pinion after soaking it with penetrant. Use the rotor nut to secure the washer. Be careful when you are prying on the washer you put on the pinion. I would hate for you to damage it. Good luck! Bob
Quote from: Cone on October 07, 2014, 11:34:53 PM
It is probably frozen in the housing like the other bearing was. You may be able to put a large washer on the pinion after soaking it with penetrant. Use the rotor nut to secure the washer. Be careful when you are prying on the washer you put on the pinion. I would hate for you to damage it. Good luck! Bob
I have a large fender washer hanging on the wall for doing this like Cone just posted. Put the washer on the pinion gear and then replace the nut. You can hold the reel upside down and tap on the washer until it starts moving.
A large fender washer is a great idea. I will try that.
Here is a little trick that worked for me on a larger model . Get a washer of at least the diameter of the housing lip that will still fit the the pinion shaft, 2 3/8 bolts aprox 2 inches long with nuts, Drill 2 1/4 inch holes on each side of the washer and put in the bolts with the nuts on the underside of the washer. When you tighten the bolts the washer will pull up and the bearing should come out. Very cheap home spun bearing puller. You can put 2 smaller washers under the tips of the bolts to spread the load and protect the housing, The only pain is to drill 2 holes in the washer , a drill press realy works the best . Hope this helps Doug
Oops got the bolt size messed up. should be 3/16's or the next size down from 1/4 inch that will pass thru the drilled holes Doug
Quote from: Doug on October 11, 2014, 04:09:05 PM
Oops got the bolt size messed up. should be 3/16's or the next size down from 1/4 inch that will pass thru the drilled holes Doug
If you keep doing this I will tell Marc
Yeah Mike I just turned the calendar into my 70's and sizes get confusing and matter much less than function Doug
I hit 69 last month
Some are asking about the cam spring and its position. Since I didn't post a good pic of it above, I'll post it here on how it should go.
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These reels are a little harder to work on than the bigger brothers, due to the smaller parts.
if you're not familiar with them, take your time.
Usually when you take the bail trip cover off, the parts that I'm showing above will go flying, it will help if you hold the reel with the spool facing down as you gently remove the cover.
The spring gets hooked on the lever cam with no tension. Once you set the parts as I'm showing, gently place the cover on, again, with the spool facing down and everything should stay in its place.
Sal
Thanks for that shot Sal. I kept trying to put the T shaped piece on the bottom flat with the cover. Now I know why that slot in the cover is there. ;) Those parts on the bottom aren't in any schematic.
You have taken me to school again Buddy! ;D
Just finished up my first service on a 5500SS today. She needed a new spool shaft, pinion, main, and spool shaft bushing cap. 2hrs and it's as good as new. Took me 2 tries to get the cam spring position right, and I had to play a bit with the silent dog to get it working properly, otherwise pretty straightforward and not unlike their big brothers that I am more familiar with. I typically don't like to service spinners (I've only done 1 Stella, 3 Stradics, and a larger Penn for customers. But I guess I don't mind working on these Penn's so much. It's nice that parts are just a short drive from home as well.
Thanks for the great write up.
I referenced it for the bail cam reassembly on my 4300ss. Between my failing eye sight and sausage fingers, this reel was a pain to put back together.
Give me a 6500ss or 7500ss over this any day.
Hey all,
I just completed breakdown/service/repair on a Gen 2 440SS.
Just a tip: You need to remove the spool shaft (#39) and the auto reverse eccentric shaft (#6A) first before you can remove the main gear (#8). To remove the Eccentric shaft you just need to remove the eccentric screw (#16) and the eccentric lever (#6E).
Chris
A buddy nabbed a 4400SS for a deal, needs parts but still a deal....he tore it down on my bench with zero idea of how it goes back together...I pulled this tutorial to see where a couple broken bits may have come from, and of course, it's from my man Sal. Miss him every day- I can't turn 90 degrees in either shop without seeing something he had hands on. I had the good fortune to sit at his bench where this tutorial is.
I just poured a very large Evan Williams nog in a Mason jar (Thanks for the albacore, Ted!), dropped two shots of Kraken in it, and Sal and I are putting this thing back up to snuff.
And thanks for the parts, Ms. Mo!
I was putting a coffee can special back together and realized it had been awhile since I went into a small Penn spinner, so I was hunting tutorial...seems it was three years almost to the date that I was doing the same thing, as I see I was the last commenter on the thread. I managed to scrounge all but two parts out of bags and boxes that are cosmetic but it winds rough. I am looking around on here to see where I might shim.
And....picked up some nog yesterday :)