Can someone confirm something for me. I often screw this up.
I don't like quick change side plates, actually I have a phobia concerning them. However, I want a 501 sized reel. I see that the 250 Beachmaster uses the 500 spool and is in effect a slow jigmaster without the swappable plates. Is their any reason a 501 stand, spool and bars wouldn't fit a 250? With a steel gear and stainless sleeve and dog I'm certain I could get enough drag out of it to fish 30 pound line and that's what Alan recomends for Kayaks.
So will it work? If so, anyone have a 250 they want to get rid of?
Thanks
Ron
A 112HN would do the job.
The Penn 250 also has a quick change side plate. The 250 is a surf master not a beach master, maybe you are thinking of a different number reel.
John
See, I told you I screw this up, looks like I'll continue saving for a set of Accu-Plates.
Thanks
Ron
What turns you off about easy take down, most of my reels have those. Try the 259, but those aren't cheap. With the upgrades that we're getting for the Jigmaster, you won't find a better reel.
Thanks Sal, I actually meant 259. I was working on 3 projects at once and yeah.
The logical side of me says that there is nothing wrong with a quick change spool, but I guess it only takes one blowing up and hitting you in the back of the head making you go back to the dock so your grandfather can get stitches to feel a little uneasy around them. I just can't get past it.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on January 31, 2014, 04:32:05 AM
Thanks Sal, I actually meant 259. I was working on 3 projects at once and yeah.
one blowing up and hitting you in the back of the head making you go back to the dock so your grandfather can get stitches to feel a little uneasy around them. I just can't get past it.
Ron
Huh! What happened? Dominick
We were about half way between Oceanside (Ca) and the Powerplant just outside the kelp patties and the old man hooked into a big ol' bucket mouth bass that wasn't interested in coming up. He leaned on it (I think it was a Surfmaster 250) and I heard a shotgun go off and something hit my head. After I cleaned my shorts I turned around to see the old man still holding the rod and bleeding from over his eye. My uncle hand lined the fish in and we went back with a cryin' towel on the old man's head and an evening in the ER. Never liked those reels after that.
To Penn's credit, the old man put the reel back together and 30+ years later my uncle still fishes it.
Ron
That's a tough story. Do you have any idea what happened to the reel? Dominick
He had to replace the stand, so I've always theorized that it twisted in the seat and torqued the quick change mechanism until it let go. The side plate is what hit me after it bounced off of gramps head. The spool shot out the reel like a bullet, I'm thinking because the fish caused it to go from 0 RPM to 10,000 RPM instantaneously. Best part about it is he had a Newelled Beachmaster that I took to, and today I own a Tuna Special, a Marlin Special, a Grouper special and will continue to buy more. I'm thinking a Newelled 501 sized 259 would be a perfect anchovie fly liner. Here calico,calico.
Ron
Ron, I hear you but there are other things to take in consideration. Those need to fully engage and the thumb screw needs to be screwed all the way in. I'm not saying he didn't know this, at times you're in a hurry and anything is possible. I've never had that happen to me, but I did have to tighten the thumb screw ones or twice. On some, the thumb screw doesn't line up , especially if you use the early plate on later rings.
I'm going to help you out, if you have any Surfmasters or Jigmasters and wanted to trade, let me know.
Sal
That is some story Ron. Now I know why you don't like them.
Ron,
Another option is a Senator 1/0. It is the same size you are looking for; 501 width, etc. Good luck in finding a reasonably priced one in good shape.
George
Quote from: George4741 on January 31, 2014, 04:40:29 PM
Ron, Another option is a Senator 1/0. It is the same size you are looking for; 501 width, etc. Good luck in finding a reasonably priced one in good shape.
I recently bought one on eBay, where they show up from time to time. Today's offerings:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-1-0-SENATOR-FISHING-REEL-/121262635861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3bd0fb55
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beautiful-Vintage-Penn-Senator-110-1-0-Baitcasting-Reel-in-Box-/390759896205?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5afb1ad48d&autorefresh=true
You can upgrade them with a Tiburon P21 frame, too. :)
~A~
I have the less expensive one on a watch list and will go for it tomorrow. I've never seen a 1/0 and wasn't sure if it was quick change or not. So, just out of curiosity, did they make an intermediate sized reel with this plate?
Thanks
Ron
None of the Senators are quick take-apart. I don't know whether the next size up, the 2/0, is compatible with a Tiburon or other aftermarket frame, but if so, I'd be interested in checking one out. :)
~A~
Several 2/0s on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Senator-111-2-0-Deep-Sea-Conventional-Sea-Ocean-Saltwater-Game-Fishing-Reel-/380822697072?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58aacd3470 (Current bid is $.01. I doubt that'll stand for long. ;))
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Senator-2-0-Vintage-/191055675695?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7bce412f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-Senator-2-0-111-Reel-24-155-Green-Handle-Made-In-USA-Lot-227-/201029298931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ece47aaf3
The Senator 2/0 is probably my favorite sized reel. It is the same spool as the 60 Longbeach, 85, Del Mar etc. The 111 (2/0) has chrome rings on both sides. I have two 85s that I put together for my girls and they really like them.
Ron
Ron, are there any aluminum spools available for the Senator 2/0? :)
~A~
Aiala, I think 29L-85 will fit in a Penn Senator 111 2/0 because it's the same size as the spool in a Penn 60.
Aiala,
If you do a search for Senator 111 you will come across one that has been built with a stainless sleeve and a 85 aluminum spool etc. Really nice reel.
Ron
Here it is:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8231.0
Ron
Ron, if you didn't have to have the 5-60 you could go with these:
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/photos/003_zps2219bd32.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/photos/003_zps2219bd32.jpg.html)
One is a 160 and the other a 25, if you'll find steel gears you will do just fine. Nice little reels, if fished at around 8/10 lb.
I know it's not needed, but yes, I do have the ss sleeve in those, plus the 100 aluminum spool.I didn't want them to feel left out next to their big brothers ;D
Sal
Sal,
I have the BayMaster in pieces and it has a steel gear. It is on the list to look just like yours only with Newell parts. I just realized that I didn't respond to your offer, thank you very much. I think with the part swapping I'm gonna do I might need to take you up on it. I'm waiting for the tax man to give me some money back before I can really get after this. Trying to get a 16 year old girl into a car is holding most funds up.
I do have a question, I know they use the same stand, but will 501 bars fit the little reels or do I need the Newell parts?
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on February 02, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
I do have a question, I know they use the same stand, but will 501 bars fit the little reels or do I need the Newell parts?
Ron
No, the 501 bars won't fit. You'll need the narrow Newell bars, the same ones that fit a Squidder 146.
George
I figured, the stand is the same but I thought the spacing might be different.
Ron
Here is the perfect reel that you're searching for Ron, a narrow jigmaster with no thumb screw ;)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/parts/004_zpsf4c7a3b7.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/parts/004_zpsf4c7a3b7.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/parts/005_zpsc2b356c1.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/parts/005_zpsc2b356c1.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/parts/002_zpsd2a6dbe7.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/parts/002_zpsd2a6dbe7.jpg.html)
and if you really want to take a chance, you could have two thumb screws ;D
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/parts/008_zps414691dd.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/parts/008_zps414691dd.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/parts/011_zps67578273.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/parts/011_zps67578273.jpg.html)
Sal, thanks for the info. I was wondering if that could be done to a jigmaster.
George
I too am a little worried about the thumb screw getting loose :-\ But as Sal mentioned if you just pay attention and tighten it up in-between battles, you should be fine. Sal I almost did the 500 and 500s side plates on one reel to, but ended up going with a beefed up 501.can't wait for the SS Double dog bridge.
Quote from: George4741 on February 15, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
Sal, thanks for the info. I was wondering if that could be done to a jigmaster.
George
You're welcome George. You must be busy, don't see you around much as I used to.
Quote from: broschro on February 15, 2014, 07:56:06 PM
I too am a little worried about the thumb screw getting loose :-\ But as Sal mentioned if you just pay attention and tighten it up in-between battles, you should be fine. Sal I almost did the 500 and 500s side plates on one reel to, but ended up going with a beefed up 501.can’t wait for the SS Double dog bridge.
Jamie, I'm not really worried about the plate coming off or blowing up, I just showed the picture, so the guys that are could swap the plates.
After taking the pictures, my reels went back as they were.
I have heard of the plate coming off during a fight, but that was the users fault.
WOW!
So, I'm an idiot. Is that a 500S handle side and a regular Jigmaster click side? That is awesome, I am starting to build a Newelled 501 size one of these with the next pay check. Woo Hoo, no Acuplates.
Thanks Sal
Ron
Sal, that is ridiculous. ::)
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 15, 2014, 08:08:09 PM
You're welcome George. You must be busy, don't see you around much as I used to.
I'm still around and check-in almost daily. I see a lot of innovative ideas coming forth.
Quote from: noyb72 on February 16, 2014, 02:56:37 AM
WOW!
So, I'm an idiot.
No, you're pretty sharp buddy ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 16, 2014, 03:01:47 AM
Sal, that is ridiculous. ::)
Daron, don't underestimate the jigmaster, it is already a great little reel, with the custom parts coming, it will be very hard to beat.
I just bought two of them. A cherry 500 with stainless spool and a 500s with red anodized spool! ;)