So I found a tool place not too far that had Wera,and Wiha. So I bought two sets. The Wera for turning more stubborn screws with a thicker handle,"Kraftform" I think they call it... and the Wiha for the smaller stuff requiring less force. They also threw in a Wera "Bit-Check" for free..
Sooo for $50 beans,I think I did pretty good.
And wow,what a difference in screw fit as compared to what I was using!
Nice! Dominick
Scatter,
Very nice,....one question ???? What is the difference between the number 1,2,3 Phillips that have the black and red collars...never seen that before.....always trying to learn😀....thanks for sharing
Brett
Quote from: bhale1 on January 17, 2018, 03:04:49 AM
Scatter,
Very nice,....one question ???? What is the difference between the number 1,2,3 Phillips that have the black and red collars...never seen that before.....always trying to learn😀....thanks for sharing
Brett
Just smaller lighter handles I believe. But the red collar does rotate..not sure if it's a useful feature or not,,I'm kinda new in this area myself.
The 3 on the left look like Pozidriv bits.
-Mike
Thank you! Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thought I had read somewhere about a different cut Phillips head on Shimano's or some JDM reels....
Brett
Oooops overtyped you on that....so what is a "posidrive"?
Brett
There's also one called a Quadrex but I believe Wera does the Pozidriv. If you google them and then look at images you will see examples of each.
Mike,
Thank you for the update....got my homework for the night😀
Brett
Now that you've opened that can of worms...here's some homework: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2039.0
Looks like JIS (Japanese Industrial Screws) are the ones found on some Japanese reels and electronics.
Lol!!! Yep saw that too, plus lots of other stuff on the ole YouTube....never actually realized how many types of fasteners there were... there's stuff out there I've never even seen before 😀 But, now I have a much better understanding, and know how to identify the 3 main Phillips type heads( standard, Pozi, and JIS),,......always learning here!!!😁😁😁...
Brett
If you arm yourself with a set of Vessel bits sizes 1, 2 and 3 these will fit both Philips and JIS.
Wow! Where can I get the deal that you scored?
i don't think rick will mind if i post this.
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On Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 1:10:11 PM PST, Hascup, Rick <rhascup@jdvproducts.com> wrote:
Hello Alan,
One of your Forum colleagues called us and mentioned that he needed a J.I.S. (Japanese Industrial Standard) version of the Phillips tip screwdriver to repair his fishing reel.
We are the U.S. Partner of VESSEL Co. Japan, a 100 hundred year old Industrial Tool Manufacturer that actually created the J.I.S. version Cross-point tip. Check out VESSEL's
Hand Tool & Bits catalog at https://www.vesseltools.com/downloads/ca185.pdf
Alan, can we interest you and your Forum members a discount on VESSEL's J.I.S. Cross-points? They fit the Japanese screw perfectly and will not "cam-out" as the Phillips U.S. version Tips.
See explanation below:
(https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-z3UU8n0m84hJs_1RbvPFeUcRC2JhzBr_JwbEcwkIVVYSAa7djViIP3bTYbGIklI2/messages/@.id==ACLWyQoAABrPWmAEAwLuAERUpF4/content/parts/@.id==2/thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin&downloadWhenThumbnailFails=true&pid=2)
Surprising, very few people are aware that they need the J.I.S. tip. Once they try it there's no going back to the Phillips! I would be more than happy to send you a sample
To test them? Your forum members will be ecstatic! It really is a big deal. Can we have a dialog with you? It will be truly appreciated. Thanks Alan!
Best Regards,
Rick Hascup
Corporate Sales
JDV Products Inc.
22-01 Raphael Street, Fair Lawn, NJ 07410
Ph: 201-796-1720 Ext. 228
Rhascup@JDVproducts.com
www.jdvproducts.com www.Reelcaddy.com
www.vesseltools.com www.standardpneumatic.com
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That's pretty darn cool, Alan!
Quote from: alantani on January 18, 2018, 03:06:37 AM
i don't think rick will mind if i post this.
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On Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 1:10:11 PM PST, Hascup, Rick <rhascup@jdvproducts.com> wrote:
Hello Alan,
One of your Forum colleagues called us and mentioned that he needed a J.I.S. (Japanese Industrial Standard) version of the Phillips tip screwdriver to repair his fishing reel.
We are the U.S. Partner of VESSEL Co. Japan, a 100 hundred year old Industrial Tool Manufacturer that actually created the J.I.S. version Cross-point tip. Check out VESSEL's
Hand Tool & Bits catalog at https://www.vesseltools.com/downloads/ca185.pdf
Alan, can we interest you and your Forum members a discount on VESSEL's J.I.S. Cross-points? They fit the Japanese screw perfectly and will not "cam-out" as the Phillips U.S. version Tips.
See explanation below:
(https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-z3UU8n0m84hJs_1RbvPFeUcRC2JhzBr_JwbEcwkIVVYSAa7djViIP3bTYbGIklI2/messages/@.id==ACLWyQoAABrPWmAEAwLuAERUpF4/content/parts/@.id==2/thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin&downloadWhenThumbnailFails=true&pid=2)
Surprising, very few people are aware that they need the J.I.S. tip. Once they try it there's no going back to the Phillips! I would be more than happy to send you a sample
To test them? Your forum members will be ecstatic! It really is a big deal. Can we have a dialog with you? It will be truly appreciated. Thanks Alan!
Best Regards,
Rick Hascup
Corporate Sales
JDV Products Inc.
22-01 Raphael Street, Fair Lawn, NJ 07410
Ph: 201-796-1720 Ext. 228
Rhascup@JDVproducts.com
www.jdvproducts.com www.Reelcaddy.com
www.vesseltools.com www.standardpneumatic.com
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SO does this mean all my Daiwa reels have JIS not Phillips?
Depending on which reels one collects/services one can sometimes (often?) not ever get enough screwdrivers/bits of appropriate size/length. It's much easier to find/make the right screwdriver than it is to find/make a replacement screw for a 100-yr old reel. I think we should investigate his offer and see if we can get a big order together, or some kind of discount on individual orders (let them do the shipping).
I agree,...
Since this thread started I've been on Google and YouTube educating myself on screwdrivers! Lots of info out there, but not that easy to find quality JIS sets here. This sounds like a great opportunity for all😁
Brett
For a comparison.
http://stores.ebay.com/shin0006?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
Ships from Japan I believe but I've bought from this store with success. Some free shipping.
Steve
Wow, they really have a complete and detailed product line!
Very interesting & innovative.
These are lifetime Pro tools at very good prices.
Nice to see a company help our members like this, also.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 18, 2018, 03:37:47 PM
Wow, they really have a complete and detailed product line!
Very interesting & innovative.
These are lifetime Pro tools at very good prices.
Nice to see a company help our members like this, also.
Best,
Fred
fred does this mean my daiwa reels all have JIS screws?
fred does this mean my daiwa reels all have JIS screws?
Yes, most likely -- the JIS drivers will probably fit perfectly in one of (3) sizes.
Typically, the Daiwa reels have cheaper screws that strip heads easily if the improper drivers are used (you know, they sort of don't seat well and tend to skip, goobering up the head of the screw).
Pretty cheap to just purchase the right JIS heads.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 19, 2018, 06:46:59 AM
fred does this mean my daiwa reels all have JIS screws?
Yes, most likely -- the JIS drivers will probably fit perfectly in one of (3) sizes.
Typically, the Daiwa reels have cheaper screws that strip heads easily if the improper drivers are used (you know, they sort of don't seat well and tend to skip, goobering up the head of the screw).
Pretty cheap to just purchase the right JIS heads.
Best,
So did I waste my money on my Wera and Wiha I just picked up?
Fred
Quote from: Scattergun2570 on January 19, 2018, 08:48:47 PM
So did I waste my money on my Wera and Wiha I just picked up?
For working on various reels -- one needs various screwdrivers to match various heads -- so the results are not various -- but consistant and professional.
Just pick up a few of the JIS bit heads from Vessel-- and you will be ready for anything.
Vessel looks like they have a great line-up of tools --
The company and Corporate Sales Manager, Rick -- seem like a good match for many of our applications.
I am looking forward to trying some of their products, and will pass along the results to our site.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 19, 2018, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Scattergun2570 on January 19, 2018, 08:48:47 PM
So did I waste my money on my Wera and Wiha I just picked up?
For working on various reels, one needs various screwdrivers to match various heads -- so the results are not various -- but consistant and professional.
Just pick up a few of the JIS bit heads from Vessel-- and you will be ready for anything.
Vessel looks like they have a great line-up of tools --
The company and Corporate Sales Manager, Rick -- seem like a good match for many of our applications.
I am looking forward to trying some of their products, and will pass along the results to our site.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 19, 2018, 06:46:59 AM
fred does this mean my daiwa reels all have JIS screws?
Yes, most likely -- the JIS drivers will probably fit perfectly in one of (3) sizes.
Typically, the Daiwa reels have cheaper screws that strip heads easily if the improper drivers are used (you know, they sort of don't seat well and tend to skip, goobering up the head of the screw).
Pretty cheap to just purchase the right JIS heads.
Best,
So even though they are making the reels in China and Malaysia etc..the screws ar still JIS.?
Fred
In my experience most of the asian reels use a JIS head screw. Sometimes a good quality Wiha or Wera bit will fit ok (but not always :-\). For the cost of a few $s why not just buy the JIS bits ??? It saves a lot of grief ;)
rick with jvd products says he will put together a link for you with a coupon code for a discount in a few days for anyone ordering through the site. personally, i'm ok just fumbling along as i have, but i can see where they would really help. goodness know's i've messed up enough shimano and daiwa screws. at least now i know why! :-\
Quote from: alantani on January 20, 2018, 03:40:53 AM
rick with jvd products says he will put together a link for you with a coupon code for a discount in a few days for anyone ordering through the site. personally, i'm ok just fumbling along as i have, but i can see where they would really help. goodness know's i've messed up enough shimano and daiwa screws. at least now i know why! :-\
ill be waiting for that link,,i like to have the right stuff..
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on January 17, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
If you arm yourself with a set of Vessel bits sizes 1, 2 and 3 these will fit both Philips and JIS.
Here is all that is needed for most of our work --
The differences and advantage is readily apparent -- and just as a hollow ground screwdriver of the proper fit is best for slotted screws -- the JIS is right for most Phillips, particularly the Asian type screws.
Best,
Fred
Attention: I spoke to Alan and he suggested putting up the same post in several different spots to make sure the guys didn't miss it.....
If you are repairing a fishing reel made in Japan, you may need a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) based Screwdriver or JIS-based screwdriver bit. The JIS Cross-point, which looks like a Phillips®, is designed to fit perfectly into Japanese screws and will not "cam-out" like a Phillips® does.
(http://www.vesseltools.com/images/alantani/phillips_versus_jis.jpg)(http://www.vesseltools.com/images/alantani/tip_images.jpg)
A JIS and a Phillips® screw may look the same to the human eye, but they have completely different profiles. Phillips® drivers do not seat as deeply into JIS screw heads as the JIS tips do, and will typically damage JIS screws.
The Phillips® design was a solution for automobile mass-production lines, and was designed to "cam-out" after a certain torque was reached to prevent over-tightening of the screw. The self-centering design allowed operators to engage the tip of the driver into the cross-point screw head very quickly and easily, which was an advantage over the use of flat head screws.
Since 1916, VESSEL was Japan's first volume manufacturer of screwdrivers and was a Key Member of the JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) Association. During that time, Japanese Engineers developed their own cross-point design similar to that of the Phillips®. It was also self-centering and allowed the operator to engage the tip of the driver into the cross-point screw head quickly and easily. However, the JIS design allowed torque and over-tightening to be controlled by the operator and not at the head of the screw.
(http://www.vesseltools.com/images/alantani/jis_screws.jpg)
A JIS screw can sometimes be identified by the presence of a small punch-mark of a dot or dimple on one side of the screw-head or an "X", but this is not always true and some may have no marking at all. In many cases, a JIS screwdriver or screwdriver bits can be used with Phillips® screws too.
For additional details: https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/whatsjis
JDV Products, Inc., the U.S. Partner to VESSEL Co. Japan, would like to offer a discount to all Reel Repair by Alan Tani forum members when placing an order on our website https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/screwdriversets (https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/screwdriversets)
During checkout, enter the code RRBATX2918 when prompted and you will automatically receive a 15% discount on all tools purchased.
NOTE: Coupon cannot be applied to items that are currently on sale, discontinued, on clearance, and excludes limited edition and everyday low priced items.
If you have any questions please post here, or for faster response e-mail sales@vesseltools.com.
Thank you!
Rick, thanks a million!
I know this is an old thread , but what are the sets that most of you have ordered if you don't mind me asking?
yep....me too... I tried to find a set for "reels"... Like a #00, #0, and a #1..and two of the smaller regular blades...
I think you just have to order them individually....But i have to look closer at the sets offered...interested in what others have done also ;D
Brett
We can create a "Tool Kit" for Reels. We can program it to appear when you put in the discount membership code. Is there any other "wish-list" tool other than 00, 0 & 1? Let me know. Happy Fishing! Rick. . .
I just took delivery of one of the sets and upon opening the package I immediately was made aware that my understanding of sizes is way way off. With that being said they look great though.
What size should we be ordering?
It's based on the screw size. Ask your colleagues what size screw heads are in your manufactured Reel. You can also call some local repair shops and identify your model Reel and ask them. Hope this helps. Rick. . .
When you guys come up with a kit for reels I will definitely take one. A lot of people on here with way more knowledge then me in this matter so I'll wait and see what the pros suggest.
Quote from: Rick Hascup on October 03, 2018, 02:56:52 PM
We can create a "Tool Kit" for Reels. We can program it to appear when you put in the discount membership code. Is there any other "wish-list" tool other than 00, 0 & 1? Let me know. Happy Fishing! Rick. . .
Hey Rick,
Just checking to see if you are still on here.
Frank
Size 0, 1 and 2 Vessel bits will cover just about every reel (including Asian reels) that has cross head screws. I have been using them for years :) For slot head screws I use Wiha hollow ground bits (sometimes Wera laser tipped drivers). Just remember Vessel cross point bits (drivers) will fit both JIS and Phillips screws - just for Phillips screws I find that Wera laser head drivers work very well.
Thanks Tiddlerbasher. I'll take your advise. Would love to see Rick put a reel kit together.
Here a good video on JIS
https://www.turfnet.com/turfnet-tv.html/hector/hectors-shop-phillips-or-jis-r610/
Did anyone decide what is the best ones to get for working on reels?
I was leaning towards the Megadora
Are the JIS and Jawsfit the same?
Any input is appreciated
Great video, Damian —
Thanks!
Best,
Fred
'Jawsfit' tips are still a JIS profile but thay have micro/mini ridges that bite into the screw head - similar principle to Wera 'Laser' tips. These do work very well. But probably best NOT used on plated screws - they will screw-up the plating ;)
Thanks
Again, when someone finally comes up with a good assortment (kit) I would order one for me.
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on October 21, 2018, 11:05:52 AM
Size 0, 1 and 2 Vessel bits will cover just about every reel (including Asian reels) that has cross head screws. I have been using them for years :) For slot head screws I use Wiha hollow ground bits (sometimes Wera laser tipped drivers). Just remember Vessel cross point bits (drivers) will fit both JIS and Phillips screws - just for Phillips screws I find that Wera laser head drivers work very well.
If the screws are plated avoid the lazer tips (and similar) - they will screw the plating ;)
Quote from: reel man on February 25, 2019, 07:53:22 PM
Again, when someone finally comes up with a good assortment (kit) I would order one for me.
I never did see a "reel screwdriver set" that Rick was considering doing but I did run onto another source that had several kits that looked right for reels https://www.rjrcooltools.com/screwdrivers/jis/ I ordered some smaller sized kits and a nice bit set all in JIS as well as some larger sizes for Japanese motorcycles.
Update on JIS screwdriver order from RJR. Fast and very reasonable shipping cost, here are some of the tools I ordered, I really like the bit set.
(//)
OK... this has been bugging me. Maybe this as good a place as any to ask.
The Phillips head screw was designed to cam out. Presumably this is so the driver will slip in the screw head before it can apply enough torque to damage the work piece. I can see how this could be a benefit on an assembly line especially if the driver does not have a reliable slip clutch.
A screw that cams out when being screwed in will not necessarily cam out when being removed. When being removed, the driver grabs the screw head on the undamaged side of the cross. But, if a screw cams out going in, then there is a decent chance it will cam out again when being removed just because it was in there pretty tight. When they throw in some Loctite it get even more interesting. We've all been there.
These days we have drivers with adjustable clutches, especially in an assembly line setting. So, why in the heck are we still using Phillips head screws at all? Why isn't JIS the norm worldwide?
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on March 09, 2019, 07:34:39 AMWhy isn't JIS the norm worldwide?
I would guess inertia and tooling cost to change over. Torx works well.
Sometimes Tools have to be customized to a certain configuration, such as reel parts, screws and such. One size will not fit all situations and don't expect it to come in a kit. Often company's like Ford,Penn and may others come up with specially made tool to make a job faster and more efficient, most of them were designed by workers.
Joe
Want to make the purchase, but looking at the shipping price I decline :'( :'( :'(
I would suggest having spare screws in your inventory to replace damaged ones. Some manufacturers have the torque settings way too high, so when the reel needs servicing the screws will be damaged when removed, and even more damaged when reinstalled.
Is there a online site for screw purchase? I know bearings they got many online site.
Quote from: Pierce on March 28, 2019, 10:15:26 PM
Is there a online site for screw purchase? I know bearings they got many online site.
McMasters Car ttps://www.mcmaster.com/screws and https://www.mysticparts.com/default.aspx
Quote from: Pierce on March 28, 2019, 11:49:58 AM
Want to make the purchase, but looking at the shipping price I decline :'( :'( :'(
Honestly,,after using these Vessels for over a year,,I am not that impressed. The Wera Pozi Drives I have hold better,the Vessels cam out,the Pozi Drives do not.
Quote from: Scattergun2570 on April 14, 2019, 02:00:46 AM
Quote from: Pierce on March 28, 2019, 11:49:58 AM
Want to make the purchase, but looking at the shipping price I decline :'( :'( :'(
Honestly,,after using these Vessels for over a year,,I am not that impressed. The Wera Pozi Drives I have hold better,the Vessels cam out,the Pozi Drives do not.
I have used Vessels JIS screwdrivers for years - never had a cam out problem - Jis for asian screws and phillips (or ordinary phillips). Phillips and Pozi drive are completely different designs and not interchangeable. One will definitely screw-up the other (yeah I know ::))
https://bsfixings.uk/the-difference-between-phillips-and-pozi-screw
Wera and Wiha both make excellent screwdrivers - I use both along with Vessels :)
Then we have Frearson ::)
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on April 14, 2019, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: Scattergun2570 on April 14, 2019, 02:00:46 AM
Quote from: Pierce on March 28, 2019, 11:49:58 AM
Want to make the purchase, but looking at the shipping price I decline :'( :'( :'(
Honestly,,after using these Vessels for over a year,,I am not that impressed. The Wera Pozi Drives I have hold better,the Vessels cam out,the Pozi Drives do not.
I have used Vessels JIS screwdrivers for years - never had a cam out problem - Jis for asian screws and phillips (or ordinary phillips). Phillips and Pozi drive are completely different designs and not interchangeable. One will definitely screw-up the other (yeah I know ::))
https://bsfixings.uk/the-difference-between-phillips-and-pozi-screw
Wera and Wiha both make excellent screwdrivers - I use both along with Vessels :)
Then we have Frearson ::)
Maybe I don`t have pozi drive,,? I cant recall,I know that they have Lazer Tip..and all I am saying is they don`t slip like the Vessels..If I apply the same pressure while turning,the Vessel always slips off,the Lazer Tip does not.
Anyone tried this set from Vessel? It has the P 0-1-2 suggested for reel work, looks cheap enough and the only P#0 JIS blade I could find on their site. Only thing, they mention the P0 is JCIS, Japanese Camera Industry Standard, will that make a difference?
https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/screwdriversets/4006hs-detail (https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/screwdriversets/4006hs-detail)
thanks,
Rob
I just found these, get a good review from some RC Model guys so I took a chance, price is right. will report when they arrive.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true)
Quote from: Recoil Rob on May 14, 2019, 08:40:49 PM
I just found these, get a good review from some RC Model guys so I took a chance, price is right. will report when they arrive.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true)
They showed up today and are well made, definitely JIS, very happy.
I use Vessel, Whia, and other American made screwdrivers when working on fishing reels. Sometimes I am confused with which screwdriver to use. So I first test fit the screwdriver and make sure that it fits the head well and does not have any play. I am particularly careful when using it to loosen a screw.
I have also used some 99cents store /Harbor Freight Chinese made screwdrivers successfully. They are cheap and usually have a magnetized tip. I think they follow JIS so they fit Japanese reels very well. This is not a high torque application so durability is second to fit in my opinion. Worth a try!
I`ve learned that with reels and fine things there is a danger of over tightening, shredding, breaking the screws - housings - and str. So I use smaller ones than what would generally be adequate.
Or those with just a part of handle, with broken handle at some point.
And if someone could explain how is it that screwdrivers with same size tip, but longer shaft, are stronger when tightening - unscrewing ?!
Edit: I know why. With longer shaft you get more leverage, by shaft twisting and thus providing torque.
I have both Hozan and Vessel; both are good quality, but the softer grips on Vessel are more comfortable to use and the tips are treated in some way (maybe nitrided).
cheers
Steve
Quote from: Recoil Rob on May 20, 2019, 11:59:42 PMQuote from: Recoil Rob on May 14, 2019, 08:40:49 PMI just found these, get a good review from some RC Model guys so I took a chance, price is right. will report when they arrive.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true)
They showed up today and are well made, definitely JIS, very happy.
I bought the same set on Amazon for $18 after reading this thread, since my Daiwa screw heads cam out on the Phillips. These bits say they are JIS and I confirmed the ones I have at least are as labeled such, but how much "wobble" room (15 degrees, 20 degrees, etc.) should one expect when moving the tool inside the screw head back and forth without actually moving the screws shaft? Just talking finger pressure.
Thanks
Matt
Quote from: reelynew on February 08, 2023, 02:05:49 AMQuote from: Recoil Rob on May 20, 2019, 11:59:42 PMQuote from: Recoil Rob on May 14, 2019, 08:40:49 PMI just found these, get a good review from some RC Model guys so I took a chance, price is right. will report when they arrive.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153485946212?ul_noapp=true)
They showed up today and are well made, definitely JIS, very happy.
I bought the same set on Amazon for $18 after reading this thread, since my Daiwa screw heads cam out on the Phillips. These bits say they are JIS and I confirmed the ones I have at least are as labeled such, but how much "wobble" room (15 degrees, 20 degrees, etc.) should one expect when moving the tool inside the screw head back and forth without actually moving the screws shaft? Just talking finger pressure.
Thanks
Matt
Matt I often use a flat head on those combination screws. The JIS just doesn't fit them properly. The JIS fits great on other eastern reels like Shimano
well, I went ahead for my first JIS screwdriver set.
I havent shredded too many Philips head screws but its time to have a more organized tool box anyway, I have too many sizes and brands mixed that I feel like losing time trying one and another looking for a better fit on the screw head
::)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C2JY39MG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E55DL4I?psc=1&smid=A1ZFEG2FOJ387F&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp
Quote from: bhale1 on January 17, 2018, 03:04:49 AMScatter,
Very nice,....one question ???? What is the difference between the number 1,2,3 Phillips that have the black and red collars...never seen that before.....always trying to learn😀....thanks for sharing
Brett
I checked the Were site. Black appears to be Pozi, red is Phillips
Quote from: bhale1 on January 17, 2018, 03:04:49 AMScatter,
Very nice,....one question ???? What is the difference between the number 1,2,3 Phillips that have the black and red collars...never seen that before.....always trying to learn😀....thanks for sharing
Brett
if you look carefully its to quickly identify different types of fitting such as phillips, pozi and torx or hexagon etc
JIS screwdrivers are not as easy to find as pozi or phillips heads.
I did manage to find a set on ebay for a good price though
They are not a top quality brand but are fine for fishing reels
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295256471456?epid=14035733432&hash=item44bea837a0:g:HBIAAOSwULBkPUQq&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABIGK0sv9yIA8I0w60sBcJx9ReAIdYM9xv6cepHLoydIUKaACYSiawWIp%2BOHSsMqxf%2F%2B6ipf%2BnAwEvGbMoIcyBT%2BLWxGaMPB3sSWTdqTXpiBEmWOqBy%2B7dU1vWtZSsKWxEYWGwnCdTYyAawIRUfCL9T5YMexcJdoWhO%2FpOCD7ow83%2F6nGXtWcMANimRwAmR45E6Qfa2kBQxpA0nY6CNASYB8gQG1L1MTr5UjWlxowkU0wa%2BYbT4%2B1M4xxjr3dTSqKYh6cj5h6brN9Gj9J9gF%2BRfmkRSFUT0wmOukXgVoeLwvdO0eUmH%2Bky5SoP%2Fw3FUL%2FIWK6sHac9BJM7xfCE9bisBEw%2Bl720bub7YYYnxKzg44NPwsfK7dCerYys3amBwI3C1Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9qMx6LfYg