Lately I've been working on some Dam reels and decided to check out the skirted spool version as well.
Today, that little snow we had was enough to keep me home, so this was a good opportunity to take it apart
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this reel comes with 2 asbestos washers...nothing impressive there and I'm sure it would feel pretty rough under fishing conditions
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removing the side plate revealed that these reels are all pretty much similar in design. Why not! if they did it right the first time it only makes sense
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This reel was in pretty good shape, so soaking the parts was not needed.
I sprayed some Peslode on a rag to keep it from evaporate and used it to clean the parts
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my 1 ton press was needed on this one as well to remove the bearing, I'm not sure how others do it, but I'm sure it wouldn't be easy without a press
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I'll post some pics of the parts going back in and also my idea of a drag upgrade, in case someone else wanted to try it
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the press was needed again to set the bearing back in
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the original stack
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and the upgrade ...I cut some carbon fiber washers to size, if you wanted to purchase some the part No is 56-710, those might be thicker than the ones I used, mine were made from a 55mm sheet. If you need the extra metal keyed washers, the part No. is 57-720
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my new layout on the drag stack
(https://i.imgur.com/SqNL2VP.jpg)
the first washer at the bottom is a Delrin washer, followed by a carbon fiber, metal keyed, carbon fiber, metal hex, carbon fiber, metal keyed
I also removed the asbestos hex for under the spool and replaced it with a Delrin
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and the completed reel, working smoother than ever
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Best,
Sal
Nice work Sal. snowing like crazy down here.
I've had to use 4WD to get out of my driveway the past two mornings.
Great work on that 3000 Sal. ;)
Sal,
As always another fine job! Way to make the best of your snow day😁
I don't have any of these reels yet, but for future reference can the bearing be adequately cleaned without pressing it off?
Like maybe unshielding, and then using the straw to blast it out with the Paslode cleaner? Just curious...always trying to learn.
Brett
John and Daron, be safe down there ;)
Brett, absolutely! If the bearing spins fine after cleaning, there is no need to pull it. These reels are new to me, i could tell you that I haven't run into one of these bearing having shields.
If one of yours does need to come off, you know where to send it, unless you'll find a way...which I'm sure you will ;)
Sal
Nice, Sal!
I've only had one worm gear pinion & bearing in all the reels that I've torn down that wouldn't come apart with love tap. On that one I used a deep well socket and washer with a snug fit, threaded the nut flush and gave it a good tap with a hammer & small oak block. It popped right out.
How about that...the later reels do have the worm gear set up...I've been wondering about that. Looks great Sal, love the drag upgrade. 8)
Great tutorial, Sal!
I really like your drag upgrade to CF, and also the Delrin under spool hex is a good improvement.
IMO, the best of these newer series of DAM Quick reels is the "01" grouping.
Reasons? --
Larger drag washer that can be upgraded to greased CF, metal skirted spool design. (The "00" has the smaller drag stack, and the "02" has the good larger drag system -- but also composite graphite spools).
None of these reels are easy to find parts for. When I was stocking parts for these a few decades ago -- there were rumors that DAM was heading to Asia, like most every other major company -- and very few dealers ordered any parts inventory.
I still have possibly the largest inventory of DQ parts that I know of -- but just use them for members on our site -- and my own rebuilds for clients.
Many of the older series of common parts will fit these -- but only around 30%. So...be careful with the parts unless you want to buy a donor reel.
On removing and servicing the main shaft bearing from the worm drive -- I have always just used a nylon covered hammer along with a block of wood. Never failed to do the job. That doesn't mean that a press isn't better -- just that if you do not have a press -- no issues.
I do think that I will get a press this year -- particularly for some of the handles and gear shafts that use roll pins or solid serrated wedge pins.
On cleaning the bearing, if shielded -- I just pop off the shields and toss them in the trash. Drop them in a glass pimento jar of lacquer thinner for 15 minutes. Shake it a couple of times -- remove, rinse, dry, then pack it with TSI321 or CorrosionX for fresh water, or Marine Grade grease such as Yamaha or Penn for Saltwater.
As always, when reinstalling the bearing -- make sure the OD & ID are coated with a light grease. This will not improve function -- but will make it a simple-burger to service in a few years.
As the years tick by, and newer reels come out -- these old DAMs impress me more and more.
And they also catch fish very capably...
Best,
Fred
Thanks guys!
Oh wow Fred, those are some large washers on those bad boys, very nice.
I also like your block of wood, very simple and effective. :)
Thanks for always giving us information that most times isn't easy to get.
Back on the 3000. From what I've seen, if this reel is kept nice and fished with respect, you wouldn't need parts or another reel, these are built tough.
I found this online...pretty cool
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dam+3000+schematics&view=detail&mid=11092323E7C7110598C211092323E7C7110598C2&FORM=VIRE
Sal
Awesome job on the drag stack and the delrin. I need to just order some carbontex sheets, as I have a 2001, 1200 I think, a 1000, and 1001 I've managed to acquire over the past few months that I need go through. I think once I finally have time to go through them the little 1000 will become my favorite small reel it's just one DAM fine reel even as it sits now with missing the little side cap, and old dried out grease. Great pictures, and tutorial much appreciated.
From Sal " this reel comes with 2 asbestos washers...nothing impressive there and I'm sure it would feel pretty rough under fishing conditions "
Dont know about the 1000 series of reels but I have found the asbestos drag washers in 1001 series to be every bit as good as any carbon fiber washers I've come across... Jeff
Quote from: Rivverrat on February 01, 2018, 07:33:56 PM
From Sal " this reel comes with 2 asbestos washers...nothing impressive there and I'm sure it would feel pretty rough under fishing conditions "
Dont know about the 1000 series of reels but I have found the asbestos drag washers in 1001 series to be every bit as good as any carbon fiber washers I've come across... Jeff
I agree, Jeff.
If breathing in asbestos dust is your thing...go for it🙂
Sal
Sal, I have little to no concerns regarding what ever micro amount of asbestos may enter my body from the small asbestos discs in these reels. I am convinced that as long as one doesnt grind / sand & breath deeply or eat the dust from asbestos & doing this over an extended period of time there is not much to be concerned with. I'm also convinced asbestos can be hazardous for those lacking common sense.
However we each must be responsible for our own well being & the decisions we make in doing this. It is a small thing to change out these asbestos washers for carbon.... Jeff
Quote from: Rivverrat on February 01, 2018, 08:33:46 PM
Sal, I have little to no concerns regarding what ever micro amount of asbestos may enter my body from the small asbestos discs in these reels. I am convinced that as long as one doesnt grind / sand & breath deeply or eat the dust from asbestos & doing this over an extended period of time there is not much to be concerned with. I'm also convinced asbestos can be hazardous for those lacking common sense.
However we each must be responsible for our own well being & the decisions we make in doing this. It is a small thing to change out these asbestos washers for carbon.... Jeff
Yep! to each his own. I felt comfortable tossing them in the trash and will do it every time I run into those.
I believe what I've done above on the drag stack is the best you could do...just my opinion of course.
Sal
Sal, what you've done is nothing less than a benefit to others while being an over all asset to this place... Jeff
Sal, the asbestos may not be bad, but I agree with what you've done to this reel. If you can improve it why not. Your washers look phenomenal. So much so, I would consider sending and paying you to do some of my quick spools up like yours. Awesome job on an awesome reel.
Took a couple of days off for my birthday and decided to take this reel you see above.
It was a pleasure to use, not much of a fish, but it was over 30".
(https://i.imgur.com/zrhWY0C.jpg)
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This was my first time using the 3000 and I must say, I was impressed with its performance.
Caught a bunch of these, some even a little larger and the reel didn' t Skip a best.
I love the way it casts also, much better than the 650ss , I had both with me.
Sal
Those are excellent reels, Sal —
Especially when you work your upgrades on them!
Good catching — you deserve the time to fish...
Happy Birthday, BTW.
Check out a 3001 — there are a couple of interesting differences.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on May 31, 2019, 07:10:08 PM
Those are excellent reels, Sal —
Especially when you work your upgrades on them!
Good catching — you deserve the time to fish...
Happy Birthday, BTW.
Check out a 3001 — there are a couple of interesting differences.
Best,
Fred
Yes Fred, they sure are.
Thanks,
Sal
Happy Birthday Sal! I agree about these reels...fantastic. I only have the 1000 but have been prowling for others. Could you tell me what line you spooled 'er up with? I'm thinking of trying that beach fishing and it will probably with a reel like that. 8)
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 31, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
I love the way it casts also, much better than the 650ss , I had both with me.
Sal
Sal!
Question of the day... why did the DQ3000 cast better than your Penn 650SS???
Do I need to be on the look out for either a DQ3000 or 3001???
In Baja, I have no issues with the 650SS.
Inquiring minds want to know,
And Happy Birthday Buddy Boy!!!!
Wayne
Happy birthday Sal, good to see you take a break from work and field test your drag improvements.
Mike
Quote from: El Pescador on May 31, 2019, 11:24:39 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 31, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
I love the way it casts also, much better than the 650ss , I had both with me.
Sal
Sal!
Question of the day... why did the DQ3000 cast better than your Penn 650SS???
Do I need to be on the look out for either a DQ3000 or 3001???
In Baja, I have no issues with the 650SS.
Inquiring minds want to know,
And Happy Birthday Buddy Boy!!!!
Wayne
X2....Steve
Looking good Paisano. I see you still can cast a 6 ounce weight (at least it looks like 6 ounces). Though at your age you should go a little slower, maybe 4 ounces. ;D BTW Happy Birthday. I'll be in New Jersey Sunday and Monday but I won't have time to go up to Penn. Dominick
Quote from: mo65 on May 31, 2019, 10:20:20 PM
Happy Birthday Sal! I agree about these reels...fantastic. I only have the 1000 but have been prowling for others. Could you tell me what line you spooled 'er up with? I'm thinking of trying that beach fishing and it will probably with a reel like that. 8)
Hello Mo, I had the 650ss and the 3000 loaded with 20 lb mono.
The 3000 went almost all the way down with every cast, but that reel hold about50 yards less than the 650ss.
It was still enough for my style of casting.
As you know, I love my penn ss reels and have nothing bad to say about them, but the 3000 was also smoother when retrieving the fish.
Definitely grab one!...thank you Mo.
Quote from: mhc on June 01, 2019, 12:13:05 AM
Happy birthday Sal, good to see you take a break from work and field test your drag improvements.
Mike
Hello Mike, yes the reel did really good.
Cheers and thank you.
Quote from: El Pescador on May 31, 2019, 11:24:39 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 31, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
I love the way it casts also, much better than the 650ss , I had both with me.
Sal
Sal!
Question of the day... why did the DQ3000 cast better than your Penn 650SS???
Do I need to be on the look out for either a DQ3000 or 3001???
In Baja, I have no issues with the 650SS.
Inquiring minds want to know,
And Happy Birthday Buddy Boy!!!!
Wayne
Thank you Wayne.
Not sure, maybe the lip of the spool, or the smaller diameter of the spool.
The reel did definitely cast better and I got more distance while using the same weight.
On the retrieval, I'm sure it was because of the worm gear.
Quote from: Dominick on June 01, 2019, 01:00:31 AM
Looking good Paisano. I see you still can cast a 6 ounce weight (at least it looks like 6 ounces). Though at your age you should go a little slower, maybe 4 ounces. ;D BTW Happy Birthday. I'll be in New Jersey Sunday and Monday but I won't have time to go up to Penn. Dominick
Good eye Dominick!
4 oz wasn't holding so I increased it a bit.
So close and yet so far...too bad I won't get to see you.
Have a good trip!
normally, bigger spool diameter would give you better distance...
guessing your 3000 was better matched to the rod it was on, than the 650SS
normally, bigger spool diameter would give you better distance...
guessing your 3000 was better matched to the rod it was on, than the 650SS
You might be right, both 10' rods were identical, but the 3000 could have been a better match for that rod.
Went back again around 5:30 this morning, had to rest one rod, I couldn't keep up with the action.
Caught about a dozen dogfish, some close to 4', They get huge around here.
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Tried different bait, but all I caught were these.
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Fought a skate for 45 minutes, he would not budge.
I got to see him it was really close.
My arm was getting tired and I increased the drag a little.
I turned around and told my wife the line is going to pop and within seconds it did.
It appeared to be over 4', she was taping but had the cell on me😏.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 01, 2019, 01:16:37 PM
normally, bigger spool diameter would give you better distance...
guessing your 3000 was better matched to the rod it was on, than the 650SS
You might be right, both 10' rods were identical, but the 3000 could have been a better match for that rod.
gonna' keep guessing: the 650SS needs a bigger and/or taller stripper guide
curious if the Penn & DAM are canted differently (how much is the spool shaft off-parallel to the foot/rod)
even a fraction of a degree makes a difference for rod selection
I used spinnfisher rods from penn, designed to work with the 650, but the Dam 3000 did a little better.
I did not say the 650ss wasn't doing it, I felt as the Dam 3000 did it a little better.
Both are nice reels.
Went to flip over a Horseshoe crab, he was struggling, when I looked over this guy almost took my rod and reel
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I didn't know I could run that fast :), caught it just in time.
Sal
Sal, it is good to see you get out & fish. Wish I lived close to the beach. But then I'd just lament being away from my river... Jeff
Most folks like the '01 or '02 series of these reels but I really like these '00 models. The bail style...the gearing...and the anti-reverse are all designs I prefer. This reel was a little on the rough side, as can be seen in the e-Bay seller's pic below. I had planned to hop things up a little for catfishing but I decided to give her a face lift too. A little touch up paint and some polishing should do wonders.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48713735583_11e5b78267_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdECqP)
The bearings did get smaller in these reels than the previous model Quicks, but quality remained tops.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48713735508_a02367c5c5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdECpw)
That little plastic ring is a damper that goes on the AR arm. It was broken so I tossed it. I like a loud AR anyway. Maybe someone knows where that copper ball came from. It fell out when I took the rotor off...I'm at a loss. :-\
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714063336_881d106922_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdGiRJ)
Here is a before and after shot of the handle arm.
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I love Sal's 3-stack mod for this reel, so I applied it to my reel.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714063211_b8fbaf2707_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdGiPz)
Below left is the reel as received, and after work on the right. Now it should look as good as it fishes!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714229012_3695e26a15_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdHa7d) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714228957_96a5373b6b_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdHa6g)
Thanks Sal for this tutorial, it made the rebuild process go smoother. 8)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714228867_9d1899fe41_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdHa4H)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714228827_ffe3fa19a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hdHa42)
Looks sweet, Mo !!
Quote from: mo65 on September 11, 2019, 12:34:37 AM
Most folks like the '001 or '002 series of these reels but I really like these '000 models. The bail style...the gearing...and the anti-reverse are all designs I prefer.
I feel the same Mo, these are great reels, just like the older models but a bit more refined.
Great job bringing than one back.
Sal
Nice, Mike! Don't you hate it ??? when you have extra parts you can't find a place for? ::)
Great job, Mike!
That ball either came out of a ball bearing (although the balls are not copper, so I doubt that theory) --
Or someone's Daisy Ammo got stuck in the grease when it was serviced previously -- most likely.
It does not officially belong in the reel.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on September 11, 2019, 01:24:44 AM
Great job, Mike!
That ball either came out of a ball bearing (although the balls are not copper, so I doubt that theory) --
Or someone's Daisy Ammo got stuck in the grease when it was serviced previously -- most likely.
It does not officially belong in the reel.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred, I figured it was an anomaly. I'm surprised a bigfoot or an alien didn't crawl out of that thing. There was a surplus of crud to scrape out.
I really like all of the earlier Quick reels with 4 digit model numbers. Some of these models have improved ergonomics & cast a little better than the prior models. Anti reverse is very good in these 4 digit models. The cross pin in the spool shaft would break long before any damage is done to the anti reverse.
However three of the 3 digit models remain favorites of mine... Jeff
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 17, 2018, 06:30:18 PM
This reel comes with 2 asbestos washers...nothing impressive there and I'm sure it would feel pretty rough under fishing conditions
(https://i.imgur.com/HVsuNMO.jpg)
Quote from: Rivverrat on February 01, 2018, 07:33:56 PM
Don't know about the 1000 series of reels but I have found the asbestos drag washers in 1001 series to be every bit as good as any carbon fiber washers I've come across... Jeff
From my limited experience with the '00/'01/'02 reels the asbestos washers can range from terrible performance to excellent performance. It all seems to ride on how the asbestos is cut. The washers in the '00 reels tend to be a very rough cut, lots of gaps and dead spots in the surface area, resulting in a stuttering pull. On the other hand, the '01 reels have those nice smooth asbetos washers, and work
much better. I deducted that if the '00 washers were smoothed...they may work more like the '01 washers.
First off...let me say this was just an experiment...I am
not recommending messing with the asbestos washers. Working with them is going to make dust, and whether it's enough to harm you is debatable, so sand and file at your own risk. The photos below demonstrate the stock washer, and that same washer filed to a smoother surface. It isn't even totally smooth...that stuff is hard as a rock and I got sick of filing...but the performance difference is like night and day! 8)
My 2.5 pesos
4000 was just too heavy and big
so I bought a 3000, well that was not much smaller, nice reel but I am not able to jig, cast half a day with that kinda weight unfortunately.
Quote from: Gobi King on September 17, 2019, 03:33:56 PM
The 4000 was just too heavy and big so I bought a 3000, well that was not much smaller, nice reel but I am not able to jig, cast half a day with that kinda weight unfortunately.
I can see where the weight would make casting jigs a workout. That's one plus about using these old heavy spinners for catfishing...the extra weight issue isn't really an issue when soaking baits. 8)
Hi Alan
Really enjoy your site and insight on reels.
I have a Dam Quick 3000 and I would like to convert it to right hand wind.
the reel is in almost new condition and I have only used right hand drive reels.
I figure there was a part which came with the new reels that would allow for this, I don't have the part. Would you or anyone else have a part that I could purchase.
Thankyou
Vince
Hi Alan
Great resource you have made available to Dam Quick reel lovers thankyou.
I have a Dam Quick 3000, it is in great condition but it is left handed and I have used right hand drive since i was a kid. Ive read that the conversion is easy to do but I dont have the piece to do it.
I heard that they included the brass piece to convert the reel over in the box when purchased and I didnt purchase it new so no conversion piece.
Would you have or any of your subscibers have the piece,I'm happy to purchase it.
Thankyou
Vince
Quote from: veejay on April 04, 2024, 12:27:29 AMHi Alan
Great resource you have made available to Dam Quick reel lovers thankyou.
I have a Dam Quick 3000, it is in great condition but it is left handed and I have used right hand drive since i was a kid. Ive read that the conversion is easy to do but I dont have the piece to do it.
I heard that they included the brass piece to convert the reel over in the box when purchased and I didnt purchase it new so no conversion piece.
Would you have or any of your subscibers have the piece,I'm happy to purchase it.
Thankyou
Vince
No problem, Vince —-
To be clear —- You would like the crank handle to be on the right side of the reel so that you could crank with your right hand, correct?
Glad to send out the part.
$8 + $6 shipping.
Need your full mailing information, please.
It will go out tomorrow.
Wait to pay for it until you receive it and are satisfied.
Best, Fred
Just click on my user name and you will see an option to send me a private message with your decision and your mailing information. Otherwise, I'll just put the part back if you do not need it anymore.
Thanks, Fred
OK, no response from Vince —- after 3 days.
I'll just toss the part back in the bins.
Best, Fred
Hi Fred
I don't seem to be able to mail you direct,.
I would like to purchase the part, I live in Australia though, you may need to recalculate the postage. I cant imagine it will be too expensive being so small a part.
Thank you for your help.
Vince
My address is
Vince Jones
50 Spring place Bingie NSW 2537
Australia
OK, Vince —-
Will send it out to you.
When you click on a members user name, information will come up that lists the member's email, for future reference.
Welcome!
Best, Fred
hi Fred Thank you for your help and I will send the money to you when i get your address.
It will bring my old Dam 3000 back into use again.
Cheers
Vince
The part is packaged & addressed in a bubble mailer envelope, Vince —
Couldn't mail yesterday since we were attending to family matters until 2:00 AM this morning.
Should go out today. Wait to pay until you receive the left-hand oriented connector slide.
I don't know the shipping to Australia —- but it shouldn't be much. I will also need to fill out a customs form at the Post Office. No big deal.
But it will be on the outside of the envelope + $8.
We both will want to make sure it is the correct part you need.
Thanks!
Best, Fred
Fred,
You best double check Vince's address. He listed Australia, not Canada. :o
You are right, Tom —-
I did have the right address already addressed to Australia —- just was thinking of another shipment going to Canada when I wrote the response this morning.
Thanks for the heads up!
Best, Fred