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Fishing => Lures => Topic started by: erikpowell on January 18, 2014, 02:23:17 AM

Title: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: erikpowell on January 18, 2014, 02:23:17 AM
I was guesting on another board & stumbled upon this question...
Didn't really see any answers that satisfied me, so I thought I'd share & give my 2 cents over here among friends.  ;D

Sometimes a new lure was only meant to catch 1 fish

(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q680/fijigreen69/Fiji2006120_zps1795c7b0.jpg) (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/fijigreen69/media/Fiji2006120_zps1795c7b0.jpg.html)
(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q680/fijigreen69/Fiji2006122_zpsda1cc0fa.jpg) (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/fijigreen69/media/Fiji2006122_zpsda1cc0fa.jpg.html)
(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q680/fijigreen69/Fiji2006127_zpscb72fec2.jpg) (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/fijigreen69/media/Fiji2006127_zpscb72fec2.jpg.html)

Chalk up one victory for thru wire
;D ;D
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: Bryan Young on January 18, 2014, 02:37:48 AM
Through wire is the only way to go.  Better to loose one lure to damage than to loose the catch of your life.
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Post by: saltydog on January 18, 2014, 03:13:44 AM
I would rather destroy a lure than loose the fish.
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Post by: Tightlines667 on January 18, 2014, 03:27:29 AM
Back in the early to mid 90s we used to catch alot of YFT trolling 2 Rapalas on down riggers around rigs.  This was pioneering at the time, and became popularized after severel write ups in the saltwater fishing mags.  The yellowfin would destroy the bait, and would have been uncatchable if not for the through wire set up.  We also replaced the trebles w/duel Mustad tuna hooks.
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Post by: Shark Hunter on January 18, 2014, 03:30:10 AM
Nice! ;D
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: erikpowell on January 18, 2014, 03:48:19 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 18, 2014, 02:37:48 AM
Through wire is the only way to go.  Better to loose one lure to damage than to loose the catch of your life.

Thats a buddy from AK who stopped by a few years ago..that GT was a fish of a lifetime for him!
The lure is still on the wall here. maybe i should send it to him  ;)
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Post by: Chris Gatorfan on January 18, 2014, 03:53:53 AM
I have always wanted to catch some GT's. Heard they give one heck of a fight. Beautiful fish by the way.
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Post by: Tightlines667 on January 18, 2014, 04:20:13 AM
They are beautiful fish and do fight as hard as you might expect from the body form.  I remember it taking 3 of us to pull a 100lb hot fish in on a hand line, unbelievably strong.  I tagged and released a whole bunch of these fish onboard commercial fishing vessels in the NWHI, up there we tried to 'avoid' them because they are so numerous and they trash the gear.  Down in the main hawaiian islands they are a highly prized trophy fish.  He should be proud of his catch.
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Post by: SacFly on January 18, 2014, 04:57:04 PM
Nice pics and a beautiful fish.  That lure would be hanging on my wall for sure!
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Post by: floating doc on January 18, 2014, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: SacFly on January 18, 2014, 04:57:04 PM
Nice pics and a beautiful fish.  That lure would be hanging on my wall for sure!
that's the first thing I thought when I saw that photo.  I would frame a shot of the fish, then mount the lure on the frame.
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Post by: Shark Hunter on January 18, 2014, 07:21:47 PM
X3! ;)
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: Dominick on January 18, 2014, 07:46:54 PM
Bula Erik.  No, No, No, take it off the wall and fish it.  Lures like that catch fish when they are damaged.  They move in unique ways and give off vibrations that attract fish.  If you are not going to use it, I'll buy it from you.  That lure will still kill fish. 
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: erikpowell on January 18, 2014, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: Dominick on January 18, 2014, 07:46:54 PM
Bula Erik.  No, No, No, take it off the wall and fish it.  Lures like that catch fish when they are damaged.  They move in unique ways and give off vibrations that attract fish.  If you are not going to use it, I'll buy it from you.  That lure will still kill fish. 

Come on...really Dom?  :D because now I'm feeling like I should really send it... some of the guys comments are making me feel guilty  ;D

Dom, that thing is completely disemboweled, I doubt it would even track or stay underwater... But I totally understand your reasoning..

I had this one Yozuri Marauder the wahoo just couldn't resist... beside others of the same, THIS one always got bit first... the more hammered it got, the faster it would hook up again and again til there was no paint left, just jagged orange plastic....it even cracked through the middle and we joked about it breaking it's spine for better action. It continued to catch fish...

a whole season it lasted..3-4 hook changes and probably a dozen wire leader changes
I knew when we got home from that last trip, that one was going right to the wall of fame.
But we couldn't resist throwing it back in for that "just One More!"
and Boom... it was gone forever.   
Acckkk!!  I still kick myself thinking of that  ;D

Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: coralsea on January 19, 2014, 01:31:52 AM
What method was used to catch that fish? I mean jig or trolling?
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: erikpowell on January 19, 2014, 03:22:35 AM
that was on a fast troll along the reef edge.
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: Dominick on January 19, 2014, 04:15:54 AM
I have a purple Marauder that has been chewed up by denizens of the deep.  The more teeth marks it has the better it gets hit.  "It takes licking and it keeps on fishing."  (with all due respect to Timex)
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: erikpowell on January 19, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Yep, nothing beats a Marauder when it's wahoo time!
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Post by: coralsea on January 19, 2014, 06:48:44 AM
Could you write about the troll speed please?
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Post by: MFB on January 19, 2014, 07:29:31 AM
Nice fish Erik, I hope to get back over to Fiji one day & have a crack at popping for them.

Rgds

Mark
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: erikpowell on January 19, 2014, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: coralsea on January 19, 2014, 06:48:44 AM
Could you write about the troll speed please?

well this was a few years ago and no instruments on the boat but I'd have to say 12-13 knots.... on the fast side.
A general rule of thumb here is to go as fast as your trolled lure will allow.

GT's can be quite finicky though especially with poppers, sometimes preferring  a real slow presentation with big pops and long pauses, and other times a speedy rip across the surface. Can be either way.

But if you're trolling for them, you want to be moving fast.... and hanging on tight  ;D

Thanks Mark! I'll certainly help steer you towards some when you make it back

Cheers


Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: Gadget on February 05, 2014, 03:52:32 AM
Lures that swim in strange ways get nailed.many years ago when I lived in Broome we were experimenting making our first swim baits from a variety of different timbers.One we made from a mangrove tree branch with a bend in it (thinking we could just put a bib in a save a whole lot of timber machining to get a bend in the lure blank) well it was poo brown in colour and just flatly refused to swim any which way we tried  BUT It would kinda scoot left and right and roll around and you couldn't pull it more than a yard through the water without it getting blitzed. We nicknamed it the dog turd.
and it accounted for more barra,GT's and other assorted fish that i could poke a stick at.It now holds pride of place in my workshop.Through wire though was not the way .Just a hole on the angle twist the wire and then poke the twisted end through till it came out the back and 24 hr araldite glue held everything together.
We onlt had primitive hand tools to work with at the time (LATE 1970'S
The funny thing is that they now mass produce similar surface walking lures but they still don't have the same action as the DT.
;D
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: Dominick on February 05, 2014, 06:04:36 AM
Quote from: Gadget on February 05, 2014, 03:52:32 AM
Lures that swim in strange ways get nailed.many years ago when I lived in Broome we were experimenting making our first swim baits from a variety of different timbers.One we made from a mangrove tree branch with a bend in it (thinking we could just put a bib in a save a whole lot of timber machining to get a bend in the lure blank) well it was poo brown in colour and just flatly refused to swim any which way we tried  BUT It would kinda scoot left and right and roll around and you couldn't pull it more than a yard through the water without it getting blitzed. We nicknamed it the dog turd.
and it accounted for more barra,GT's and other assorted fish that i could poke a stick at.It now holds pride of place in my workshop.Through wire though was not the way .Just a hole on the angle twist the wire and then poke the twisted end through till it came out the back and 24 hr araldite glue held everything together.
We onlt had primitive hand tools to work with at the time (LATE 1970'S
The funny thing is that they now mass produce similar surface walking lures but they still don't have the same action as the DT.
;D
Gadget send it to Salty to make a mold of it.  He will send it back.  Salty are you with me on this?  I will try one out in Baja in June.  Dominick
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: saltydog on February 05, 2014, 05:26:48 PM
I'm in just PM me and I'll send you my address. I always like new lures.
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: LTM on February 06, 2014, 01:36:30 AM
Erik,

I too had a purple Marauder that Hoo's just loved and darn near distroyed, UNTIL one last troll.  GONE!!  Decades ago I was taught to hand pick my jigs.

Leo
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: Dominick on February 06, 2014, 02:53:47 AM
Quote from: saltydog on February 05, 2014, 05:26:48 PM
I'm in just PM me and I'll send you my address. I always like new lures.
Salty:  I knew this would get your juices flowing.  Dominick
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: Dominick on February 06, 2014, 02:58:06 AM
Quote from: LTM on February 06, 2014, 01:36:30 AM
Erik,

I too had a purple Marauder that Hoo's just loved and darn near distroyed, UNTIL one last troll.  GONE!!  Decades ago I was taught to hand pick my jigs.

Leo
C'mon Leo:  Pass on the info.  What did you learn about hand picking lures?  Dominick
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Post by: saltydog on February 06, 2014, 03:06:44 AM
I always tried to pick the ones that were drilled off-center so they had more action.
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Post by: Tightlines667 on February 06, 2014, 03:11:49 AM
Similarily, if I'm setting up a trolling bait with a wide erratic action, I try to pick the head that has the most severe offset center of gravity. Weighted 45 deg plus offset from center.  Conversely if I want a natural str8 swimmer or tight wobble, find one that is perfectly weighted, or close to it.
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Post by: saltydog on February 06, 2014, 03:22:48 AM
If anything Dominick I will be making some trolling heads soon.
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Post by: erikpowell on February 06, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: LTM on February 06, 2014, 01:36:30 AM
Erik,

I too had a purple Marauder that Hoo's just loved and darn near distroyed, UNTIL one last troll.  GONE!!  Decades ago I was taught to hand pick my jigs.

Leo

  ;D ;D ... famous last words eh Leo?  " Just one more" .. it'll get ya every time !
Title: Re: Thru wire? Why bother?
Post by: FishnNauru on February 14, 2014, 08:38:03 AM
There is no insurance in fishing. You can rig it on wire and everything else...but when it's gone, it's gone.
I have a big gold mans that survived a crazy hoo bite and I've finally got it running straight again...I thought about retiring it, but painted it all up again so she can have another run.
I reckon the more battle scared and beat up the better they get bit also.

That DT sounds hilarious...if your going to market it you may need a more fish catchy name I reckon :)