I feel like an outcast member of the family. I only seem to come around or ask for help when I need something. Here I am again~!
I bought an old Abu 6000c at a second hand shop last weekend and I was looking forward to the adventure. I bought it because it's the only reel I ever seen that was purple and I didn't own a 6000. It wasn't a deal breaker that the lady only wanted $6.00 for it. As you can imagine, nothing worked. Bait click, Anti reverse, Release button, nothing worked.
I brought it home tore it down and scraped the dried grease and dirt out of it and it's working pretty good now, but needing replacement parts. No big deal. I've found the schematics for it, but the what this one has and what the schematics show, are two different things. The one I have is a duel spring, duel arms on a mounted plate. Totally different than the schematic.
I'd like to put this feller back together right before it goes back on a shelf. My kid's got his eye on it and I think he's planning on using it this year for redfish and trout at Port A ?
Can any of you tell me what ABU this type of bait click was used for ?
Is this an upgrade ? the foot #'s are 067000
Can I use 6500 parts for replacements ?
Thanks for any help at all feller's (family)
Mic
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Quote from: Mic on December 26, 2018, 04:04:42 PM
The one I have is a duel spring, duel arms on a mounted plate. Totally different than the schematic.
Can I use 6500 parts for replacements ?
This mechanism appears to be a scaled down version which was standard for many years on the 7000 model. It is very old (maybe 50 years) and predates the standard 6000 series which uses a completely different mechanism featuring by a leaf spring plastic module.
Some parts may be interchangeable such as the worm drive but this model is so old that eBay or a specialist ABU aficionado is likely to be your best resource.
Can you post a picture of the handle please?
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the original color might have been black. i've never seen a 6000 like this before, but the double clutch mechanism is pretty straight forward. there has to be a schematic somewhere. this is the closest one i could find. the clicker doesn't match.
http://schematics.mikesreelrepair.com/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6000C_75-12-05.pdf
The color looks like some kid "painted" it with a black marking pen. Does the clicker cog on the spool match up with that style clicker dog and spring? Do you really need a clicker fishing for trout and reds around Port A?
-steve
Thanks for the info guys, I kinda figured this might be a Frankenstein something or other that somebody put together with some parts left over.
The handle doesn't meet the schematic either. No hole in it for a set screw or cap.
Funny thing is, The bait click works great when the left side plate is off the frame. Mount it to the frame and it locks up. I don't know what the heck is causing that ?
I'll see if the original bait clicker and handle are still available. I found several schematics on line, but none with this bait click mechanism. So, it must be a spare parts bucket deal. It's still a cool looking reel. Should be worth a complete upgrade if the original parts are available ?
Alan, if this reel was ever black, it sure doesn't show it. It is purple inside and out.
The spool gear and the clicker do match up. I can insert the spool into the left side plate and spin it both ways and it works great. Mount the left side plate to the frame and it doesn't work ?
Thanks again for all the help. I'll put this back on the shelf until I can get the replacement parts.
I'll be back on the next one guys~!!!!
Mic
This is a standard 6000C, according to the serial # it's from 1970. That's the earlier clicker design, standard for many years. Paint looks like faded black. The handles did not have a set screw and thus came loose often.
Make sure the clicker is in the off position before attaching sideplate.
Here's the schematic, sorry for the low rez, that's all I have.
Thanks Nelz,
That's about the same schematic that I found going back to the first Abu Garcia one I found.
1970 Model ! I was 3 years old then. WOW. I wouldn't worry about it so much, but the reels being made is Sweden now are getting less and less with each calendar change. The old ones are getting more and more important.
Looking at the schematics, the main gear shaft, it shows to use a C clip. Mine has a crew on it. So, it's definitely a Frankenstein model 0000_OH_DAM.
I was looking at these plastic arms on the bait clicker. It's possible that these are so old that they don't have any spring or flex to them ? The upper springs actually hold the bait clicker out, so the arms would need to flex when the bait clicker is engaged. They don't flex. I might see if I can make this design work if these arms are supposed to be flexible ?
But, like Steve said "I really don't need a bait click to catch reds and specks on the coast in Port A. Shouldn't have any worries with channels and medium flatheads on the river either. The reel works great. I guess an upgraded twisted puzzle. For $6.00 and a bit of grease and oil, I've not lost anything, and I've gained more than just a faded old reel.
Thank you all for your input and help. It's greatly appreciated.
Mic
Quote from: Mic on December 27, 2018, 02:13:22 PM
Looking at the schematics, the main gear shaft, it shows to use a C clip. Mine has a crew on it.
I was looking at these plastic arms on the bait clicker. It's possible that these are so old that they don't have any spring or flex to them?
The schematic I posted shows a screw, as it should for that year reel (part #5181). You do have the correct handle, do you have the end cap (#5182)?
So is the clicker just weak or it doesn't work at all?
I have worked on alot of these older Abu reels and yes the quality was so much better.
Well Nelz,
I've got to do a six step crawfish backup here. You are correct Sir. The schematic you posted is the correct schematic for my reel. The other 6 schematics I've found and the one link posted by Alan (sorry Alan, no offence) were wrong. Thank you a big bunch. Greatly appreciated.
No Sir, I do not have the end cap and missing a few washers as well. Figured I'd order replacements for them as well.
The bait clicker doesn't work unless it's off the frame. It does work if you have it mounted to the LS Plate. Works great. When I mount it to the frame, it's locked up and doesn't work. I've rotated how the springs are mounted as well. Both on the post on the top, both on bottom, staggered starting on the left, staggered starting on the right. Any way I connected it, it works only when the LS Plate is not connected to the frame.
As I stated in one of my other post, I thing these plastic arms are supposed to flex when the bait clicker is engaged ? I don't know, but these arms sure don't flex at all.
I certainly appreciate your schematic Nelz. It's sure going to help me get the right parts. I'm gonna order a new bait clicker as well. Now that I have a correct part # to order.
Big thanks again Nelz
I owe you a cold or two~!
Mic
That's weird that the clicker works off the frame but not on it? ??? Got me stumped on that one!
Glad to help as many here have helped me.
If it is off the frame then you have no way of knowing if the spool is centered left to right. Maybe the clicker cog on the spool shaft does not mesh with the clicker dog when the spool is centered. I don't know how either one of them could be nudged laterally a bit.
Or, maybe you are not holding the spool shaft perpendicular to the right side plate when the clicker seems to work. When the spool shaft is square to the side plate the cog and dog can longer reach each other because the dog is worn down.
???
-steve
I agree with you Steve,
But when I mount the LS Plate to the frame, the button to engage the bait click will not budge. It will not slide to engage. Take it off the frame and the button will slide in and out both ways. Damnedest thing I've encountered since my wedding night !
I can hold the LS Plate in my hand and set the spool in it and twist it and it make contact and works great.
I don't know if these springs are correct ? A previous post stated that this mechanism is of the same type or smaller than the an older 7000 series. If the 7k has tighter or different springs, it could cause issues if someone traded them out ?
I had read another ABU posting about the frame being twisted. They didn't get into deep details about how to recognize it, but it's a possibility as well. When I have the LS Plate in my hand off the frame and push the bait click button in, the plate that the clicker arms are mounted to tries too move as well. It will slide forward ever so slightly and then release allowing the clicker to move forward. Mount the LS Plate to the frame and nothing moves. The button, the mounting plate, arms, nothing. It all seems to have gone hard and fast.
Either way, I get kind of bullish when things try to best me and I'm putting together a list of parts to replace in this reel. I'm not going to finish second if I have anything to do with it! I figure my kid can set around in 30 years or so telling his kids how he watched his father come to the knot in the rope over this reel and WON!!!!!!!!
Ah-ha! Now that you've described the issue in more detail, I have the fix. I posted the answer a while back for another guy that had the same issue. Go here: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24202.0
Try assembling the reel without the spool — then check the clicker operation.
That is a method to eliminate possibilities before you order unneeded parts.
If you still have the same issue — it can be traced to the LS mechanisms.
There are literally dozens of variations in each model of ABU baitcasters — some are very subtle differences — and make no difference. So the principles of function are close enough to figure out the problem.
In my old shop manuals — I have thousands of ABU & Daiwa schematics and parts lists — and there are still reels that do not fit exactly every schematic I have.
Eliminate the spool and clicker gear. Check if the clicker upright post on the clicker tongue is bent out of position. See if the nylon arms are somehow making contact with something. Install the sideplate with the two springs removed — see what happens.
Let us know!
Best,
Fred
Your backplate photo needs to be taken rotated 90 degrees to the left so that the click dog is at the top. That way we can see how things line up. The nylon arms do nothing more than hold the click dog in place either on or off. They do not need to bend. The dog body should slide up and down between the nylon arms. Make sure the dog arm (outward portion) goes into a slot between the nylon click gear teeth. Also, make sure you have the correct amount of shims and both felt washers installed on both sides and adjust it so that the spool is centered when screwed together.
Below are a couple of photos with the click button on and off so you can see how it is set up and supposed to work. This one works perfectly. They are not complicated so getting yours working correctly should be an easy adjustment, especially given your nylon arms aren't damaged and the springs look fine. A better look at the click dog would be nice, though.
let's "sticky" this in a bit. it's a nice post! ;D
WOW!!!
Where does the time go. I didn't use a question mark because I wasn't asking a question ! For all intents, my divorce started in March of 2019, so I had a bit of a distraction. Now I'm remarried and living a beautiful life!
It's been more than two years since I started with this reel. Yes Alan, it was black at one time but has faded to the coolest purple now. So, my son walked into the living room about a week ago and caught me looking at some Reel Porn on my phone. Yes Brothers, REEL PORN!!!!!
Anyway, he proceeded to hold it over my head that he's not seem me work on a reel in quite a long time. A few minutes pass and he came out of his room holding this old ABU 6K and said "Think you can fix this and put it on a rod for me ?"
Blackmail right ! If I don't fix it he's going to tell my wife that I'm hooked on Reel Porn and it's a hopeless cause. Well, I know trying to prove a point is pointless.
So, while discussing reels with my new friend SteveL, I brought up replacement parts for this reel. Well SteveL should change his moniker to PDG Investigator. As in Pretty Damn Good Investigator ! He hunted around and found this post that I had forgotten about as well as a couple other on the subject. Pretty interesting.
It would certainly appear that I'm not the only one with this issue. I looked at putting the shims at the bottom as suggested, but had issues with that as well. SteveL found this feller on another Reel Porn board and I'd like to thank him, but don't know who he is.
But, I got to looking at the pawl for this clicker plate and it has a hell of a lot of ware and some really sharp edges. Think I'm gonna try his advice on polishing the edges and see where that takes me.
Pictures added
Hope you don't mind Alan, but here is the link from the other Reel Porn site that was found by SteveL
https://www.catfish1.com/threads/vintage-abu-garcia-6000-clicker-problem.195856/
Gonna start working on this reel now. Want to replace the level wind pawl and drag washers with carbon washers. Also might upgrade the bushings to bearings. Might make a pretty good birthday present for my 14 year old son when he turns 15 in March.
Thanks again for your help SteveL PDG Investigator !
Mic
Oh,
And just in case this goes to trial or anything like that. My extortionist son isn't the same feller GOD sent me !
That little innocent boy that used to help his old Pappy work on a fishing reel now and then is shaving, driving trucks, boats and me crazy. He's about 220 and nearing 6' fast. Walking around in the back yard saying things like My boat. My truck.
Enjoy them while they are young fellers. It wont be long and they will be looking at Reel Porn themselves
Mic
Quote from: Mic on January 14, 2021, 08:31:38 PM
Hope you don't mind Alan, but here is the link from the other Reel Porn site that was found by SteveL
https://www.catfish1.com/threads/vintage-abu-garcia-6000-clicker-problem.195856/
Gonna start working on this reel now. Want to replace the level wind pawl and drag washers with carbon washers. Also might upgrade the bushings to bearings. Might make a pretty good birthday present for my 14 year old son when he turns 15 in March.
Thanks again for your help SteveL PDG Investigator !
Mic
Take a look at the sideplate again. I thought the photos showed bearings. If they are bushings, try to measure the spool shaft diameter at the ends. It should either be 3 mm for bearings or 3.2 (3.175)mm if you have the weird bushings.
Quote from: SteveL on January 14, 2021, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: Mic on January 14, 2021, 08:31:38 PM
Hope you don't mind Alan, but here is the link from the other Reel Porn site that was found by SteveL
https://www.catfish1.com/threads/vintage-abu-garcia-6000-clicker-problem.195856/
Gonna start working on this reel now. Want to replace the level wind pawl and drag washers with carbon washers. Also might upgrade the bushings to bearings. Might make a pretty good birthday present for my 14 year old son when he turns 15 in March.
Thanks again for your help SteveL PDG Investigator !
Mic
Take a look at the sideplate again. I thought the photos showed bearings. If they are bushings, try to measure the spool shaft diameter at the ends. It should either be 3 mm for bearings or 3.2 (3.175)mm if you have the weird bushings.
I took a look at the Steve,
And they are bearings. Not bushings. Think I'll pull them and make sure they get packed real good before I close it up.
Something that's been going back and forth from one side of my head to the other is that the pawl must be worn out to bind the clicker arms up like that. This reel is from somewhere in the 70's I think ? That's 50 years that those nylon arms have been rubbing against the brass pawl. Now, I've sharpened a lot of knives, I know that something as soft as leather can ware down steel. Nylon can ware down brass.
So, instead of polishing it down worse, I'm thinking I need to either build it up, or replace it and get it back to where it was engineered to be at.
I'll check the right side plate to make sure it's a bearing as well tomorrow
You've been a big help Steve
Grande Thanks to ya`!!!!!!!!!!!
Mic
If one side has a bearing I'm sure both sides do. That was a 6000c model which should come with bearings unless someone made it a frankenreel.
New click pawls are available (#8745 is about $2). The whole click plate kit (newer but still the old 70's style) from Jerry Foran is only about $8, and I'm sure Jerry will know for sure if it fits. All of the schematics I find from that time frame show the parts like in his kit.
For $4 per bearing, Jerry has new bearings that should fit. If your son will be casting it, I would skip packing the bearings and go with oil or reel-x.
you guys are awesome!!!!!
Quote from: SteveL on January 15, 2021, 04:02:12 AM
If one side has a bearing I'm sure both sides do. That was a 6000c model which should come with bearings unless someone made it a frankenreel.
New click pawls are available (#8745 is about $2). The whole click plate kit from Jerry Foran is only about $8, and I'm sure Jerry will know for sure if it fits. All of the schematics I find from that time frame show the parts like in his kit.
For $4 per bearing, Jerry has new bearings that should fit. If your son will be casting it, I would skip packing the bearings and go with oil or reel-x.
Point taken !
New bearings it is. I'll be given Jerry Foran a call today. Spect he'll get me set up. Might see if he has any of those pretty little felt packings as well.
Don't know if a power handle is the way to go on this reel, pretty much anything I do change it out with would be an upgrade. Have to look around or ask Jerry Foran what he would recommend ?
My to list for this reel is getting longer and longer, but I really think it gonna be worth the investment in the long run. Antiques around my house are like me. Not put on a shelf, put to work.
My boy walked by me last night and kinda, over his shoulder said "Making any headway on my reel ?" Extorsion !!!!!
Mr. Alan,
You Sir, are awesome. This site and the people you attract to it, make it a joy to reach out to a stranger and say, 'I gotta problem". The people I've had interaction with, phone conversations have given me an in depth education. Hell, people in my family think I'm some kinda wizard or something. I'm just a feller that's got a bunch of knowledgeable friends who are awesome.
Yourself, Bryan, Mr.Foakes, Steve, Greg (Snagged2) have all helped me get parts and pieces that I needed to repair someone else's wore out reel. BigT, MO65 (Mike), Festus and quite a few others who share their breakdowns, repairs and experiences are what makes "Reel Repair by Alan Tani", an exceptional place to meet people who share my interest. And, to get a wore out fishing reel working right again because it means something to ya
Thank you All for the help you have given me ~!
I'll let you all know how it turns out.
Mic
Would anyone happen to have the other side to this schematic ? I kinda need names to go with numbers
I'm not a wizard !
Thanks in advance Reel Crew
Mic