This part is available in my online store now.
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/de7d162c-ef87-4f8f-87f8-bb728d3733af_zpsovtm6qb8.jpg)
This is a 2nd generation 113H (code name: 113HX) 4:1 SS gear set with 6 ears.
Here is the price per items.
113HX 4:1 SS gear set (main and pinion): $62.00
1mm carbon fiber drag washer (5 pcs): $15.00
0.9mm SS keyed metal washer (5 pcs): $12.50
2.5mm SS keyed top metal washer (1 pcs): $7.50
Here are the difference package deals.
Package A: 113HX gear set + CF washers (set) + 0.9mm SS keyed metal washers (set) + 2.5mm SS keyed metal washers (set) + derlin under gear washer (Free) = $89.99
Package B: PC98-320 (10 teeth gear sleeve) + package A = $113.99
Package C: SS eccentric jack + SS yoke + package B = $124.00. Please note that the eccentric jack will be available on June 2016.
Shipping cost is $3.25 per package by USPS First Class Parcel Service or $8.00 for the first package + $4.00 per additional package by USPS Priority Mail within the US.
For outside the US shipping cost, please contact me for more info.
Here is the testing result from Sal on this 113HX 4:1 "Easy Access" stainless steel gear set. This gear set was pushed to around 55# drag under stress tested by Sal.
Here are few pictures in gear set with the SS double dogged bridge.
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_105156_zps6a8egko5.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_113815_zpsk7cjkh5a.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_114325_zpsy9g3u0uu.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_122213_zpsmmdahl8w.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_122237_zpshdskqrrf.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/ccc57e89-ced9-4c2e-9d5c-0ff382a12647_zpsl6ek2k1v.jpg)
Do we need to get on a list for these?
Mike
Quote from: PacRat on December 10, 2015, 04:31:06 PM
Do we need to get on a list for these?
Mike
No, after the samples are tested, a mass production of 100 sets will be made.
NICE!!!! What's the ETA on this project???
Quote from: Black Pearl on December 10, 2015, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: PacRat on December 10, 2015, 04:31:06 PM
Do we need to get on a list for these?
Mike
No, after the samples are tested, a mass production of 100 sets will be made.
Only 100?
how many did you need? ;D
Quote from: BMITCH on December 10, 2015, 07:05:54 PM
NICE!!!! What's the ETA on this project???
We should have few samples for testing in next few weeks. We will also have a 2nd generation 4:1 gear set for Jigmaster 500/501 or Senator 112h which will use the same carbon drag washer as this 113H 2 generation gear set.
By the way, we will also have a standard 4.8:1 (5:1) SS gear set for JigMaster 500/501 or Senator 112H.
I was told that a few new products will be available within next few months.
Sorry for all these delay.
Thanks,
--Alan
No worries Alan. I'll keep an eye out for them in the future. The 2nd gen JM and 112H using the same drag set as the 2nd gen. 113H is REALLY interesting. That will for sure raise the bar on these reels. Exciting stuff👍🏻😎
Quote from: swill88 on December 10, 2015, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: Black Pearl on December 10, 2015, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: PacRat on December 10, 2015, 04:31:06 PM
Do we need to get on a list for these?
Mike
No, after the samples are tested, a mass production of 100 sets will be made.
Only 100?
If the demand is there, I can always make more.
I thought I already had the second generation in 416ss?
The Insanity! :D
So,
What is the price for a PRO Challenger narrow 113H with gen II SS gears and T-bar handle? It seems you are making an entire reel.
Ron
Alan, just a quick question...in another thread you stated that you were gonna be able to make a gear set for the JM's and 112h's that will utilize the 113H's second gen. washers...can it be done to make these second. gen. 113H gear sets to utilize an even larger drag washer set..like maybe the size of the 114H??? I dunno, maybe there's not enough material to support a larger diameter washer. Just a thought.
Bob
Bob, we'll wait and see what Alan has to say, but I'll give you my take on it.
If you check out the 5-500 and the 5-113H, you will notice that the two gears are very close in size.
This makes it a good option for the two to share the same carbon fiber washers, doing so would save you a little.
Here is a drawing on the washers you've mentioned:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/DSC_0081.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/DSC_0081.jpg.html)
I darkened the ears, they don't add any drag, as you already know, they're there to keep those washers in place and don't rotate.
Although the 114H appears to be larger, it is actually the smallest. The 500 is the larger of the bunch, due to the smaller keyed hole.
All ( 3 ) washers would work, but I would personally like the washer on the 114H to be a little larger.
Adams 114H insert has the same exact washer as the 500. I was able to get over 60lb, by pulling the reel, we know it would work, but I would still like to have that one a tad larger.
The 500 would get ( 3 ) washers, having ( 5 ) working surface. The 113H would get ( 5 ) washers, having ( 9 ) working surface.
Of course using these type of washers you could adjust your reel to your liking just by stacking washers differently.
You could place the eared washers on top of each other to reduce drag and so on. There are many combinations with these, but i could tell you now, mine will always be set at its max availability ;D.
Sal
Thanks Sal. I didn't a chance to pull out and measure diameters. With these drag numbers we are IMO pushing these stock side plates to there limits. Thanks for the reply.
Bob
The main reason for these is to have the reel as smooth as silk at where it was intended to be fished at, plus a little more drag ;)
Don't base my numbers at where it should be fished at, those are testing numbers only.
I could tell you this, we will have the (500) as a 20lb reel, the ( 113h) as a 30lb reel and the( 114H ) as a 35lb reel.
These will feel the smoothest reel at those settings and yes, I believe all three with the proper parts could handle those numbers.
Sal
any plans to make it a 7 stack ?
Quote from: badfish71 on December 15, 2015, 08:06:47 PM
any plans to make it a 7 stack ?
These do better than a 7 stack, with 5 washers you'll get 9 working surfaces.
Sal, with a 7-stack won't there be 13 working surfaces, or am I missing something? I'm going to have to sit down and draw the two out and figure out which surfaces are the working surfaces - I figure there's a maximum of 2/CF drag washer, but somehow you're coming up with one less working surface; I need to figure out which one that is. Can you please explain? Thanks. Maybe I don't understand the star drag mechanism as well as I thought. I'm all ears and here to learn.
Sid
Yes, but it would be way too much that reel. We like to keep the carbon fiber eared washers 1mm in thickness, or more.
Using 1mm carbon fiber washers would limit it to 5, 7 won't fit ...and that's a good thing.
OK, thanks, that helps, but which of the surfaces is not a working surface? Is it the uppermost one in contact with the slotted washer?
The first carbon fiber washer at the bottom gives one working surface, the rest of the carbon fiber washers have two.
Thats right. I forgot about the varying thickness for the washers.
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 15, 2015, 11:09:11 PM
Yes, but it would be way too much that reel. We like to keep the carbon fiber eared washers 1mm in thickness, or more.
Using 1mm carbon fiber washers would limit it to 5, 7 won't fit ...and that's a good thing.
I am checking on the key and spring washers price's difference between stainless steel and titanium.
Here is a picture on this 113HX gear set. It is heading to Sal for testing.
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/ccc57e89-ced9-4c2e-9d5c-0ff382a12647_zpsl6ek2k1v.jpg)
Sweet!
That looks like a strong set.
Wish I needed one.
Here is the testing result from Sal on this 113HX 4:1 "Easy Access" stainless steel gear set. This gear set was pushed to around 55# drag under stress tested by Sal.
Here are few pictures in gear set with the SS double dogged bridge.
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_105156_zps6a8egko5.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_113815_zpsk7cjkh5a.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_114325_zpsy9g3u0uu.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_122213_zpsmmdahl8w.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/20160204_122237_zpshdskqrrf.jpg)
55#s on a 113H, wow.
I think I'll run this in my marlin special and fill it with unlimited braid. I guess I could use it for Godzilla?
Ron
Where's the sign up sheet?
Quote from: David Hall on February 07, 2016, 12:37:55 AM
Where's the sign up sheet?
I don't think we will need one. I will have enough.
Wow! I get sick and busy and don't keep up with things for a few months and look at what you come up with! I have a 90% complete "Tank" I was building for this years halibut season that must have one of these gear sets.
How do we get them?
Quote from: badfish71 on February 10, 2016, 12:35:39 AM
How do we get them?
It is not available yet. We are sourcing the carbon fiber material. I hope that it will be available around May.
Sounds good. Im in for 3.. ;)
The correct washers came in and I put them to a test:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_165910.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_165910.jpg.html)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_174149.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_174149.jpg.html)
Everything fits nice and snug
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_185134.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_185134.jpg.html)
I was able to pull on the reel at 58 lbs
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_190326.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_190326.jpg.html)
That number is only for testing purpose, to see if the eared washers hold up ok.
This reel should not be fished a those settings, I'm thinking 30 lbs max and yes, I believe it will handle it with no issues.
The tested reel had the new custom heat treated double dog bridge, custom heat treated gear sleeve with 10 teeth ratchet, custom heat treated pinion and main gear ( 5-113HX ), ( 5 ) 1 mm eared carbon fiber washers, ( 5 ) .85mm SS keyed washers and three extra for the top.
They are working on making just one thick washer for the top.
I've tested a few reels by now, to me, this one is the smoothest by far. It feels extremely smooth.
I also tested the Jigmaster set:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_204740.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_204740.jpg.html)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_164142.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_164142.jpg.html)
Alan source believes that the eared carbon fiber washers will do just as good in the Jigmaster, even though the hole on the sleeve is larger.
I told Alan that I needed to tested, so here is what I got:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_210253.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_210253.jpg.html)
I was able to pull it to 32 lbs, again testing numbers only, this reel will do great at around 20-22 lbs.
I checked the washers afterwards and all looked good
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_210703.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_210703.jpg.html)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_210719.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_210719.jpg.html)
This is good news, it should save you some money by having the same size carbon fiber eared washer for the 113H and Jigmaster.
This reel felt just as smooth as the one mentioned above, we have a nice combination of parts here.
Sal
A smooth 30lb of drag will go well in the 113HNN - or any 113H for that matter.
Thanks for doing these tests Sal - everyone who buys Alan C's Penn upgrades is benefiting from your design input and testing of prototypes.
Mike
Thank you Mike, I appreciate the kind words.
I always try to give my best suggestions on everything Alan C. brings to us.
On this one:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_165910.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/eared%20washers%20test/20160325_165910.jpg.html)
I have a bit more involvement than usual, on making sure the parts play nice with each other.
I'm very happy with the results.
Sal
ps... I'm being conservative with the numbers that I've put out on these reels, higher numbers are not really needed, so I'll keep it as they are.
Makes my Marlin Special a 100# reel for sure. I'm so giddy I can barely keep from falling over out of my chair. I understand that you can buy new reels that are just as capable for about the same money by the time you are done, but who cares. We're talking about fishing an 80# 501!
You guys are amazing.
Thanks
Ron
:o
where do we get our name in line for penn 500 gears??
This part will be available for shipping by mid May 2016.
This is a 2nd generation 113H (code name: 113HX) 4:1 SS gear set with 6 ears.
Here is the price per items.
113HX 4:1 SS gear set (main and pinion): $62.00
1mm carbon fiber drag washer (5 pcs): $15.00
0.9mm SS keyed metal washer (5 pcs): $12.00
2.5mm SS keyed top metal washer (1 pcs): $7.50
Here are the difference package deals.
Package A: 113HX gear set + CF washers (set) + 0.9mm SS keyed metal washers (set) + 2.5mm SS keyed metal washers (set) + delrin under gear washer (Free) = $89.99
Package B: PC98-320 (10 teeth gear sleeve) + package A = $113.99
Package C: SS eccentric jack + SS yoke + package B = $124.00. Please note that the eccentric jack will be available on June 2016.
Shipping cost is $3.25 per package by USPS First Class Parcel Service or $8.00 for the first package + $4.00 per additional package by USPS Priority Mail within the US.
For outside the US shipping cost, please contact me for more info.
I need one package C for a 113H.
Mark
Quote from: anglingarchitect on April 22, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
I need one package C for a 113H.
Mark
Hi Mark,
The jack will be available on June 2016, therefore, you order will not ship out until I receive the jack part. Is it acceptable?
Thanks,
--Alan
When I got Alan's gear set to draw up washers for them I was highly impressed with the quality of the gears! Once I installed them I was more impressed, they run quiet for SS gears. The Newel gears in my Tank will be put into my loaner reel.
I have been playing with the set I have for a few days but have a slightly damaged bridge from Sal's testing, it has a striped screw hole I need to weld up and redrill and some discoloring from overheating...Sal really put the load on it and it still works. I am not pushing mine to the top but I am pulling 38# and it has a silky smooth 20#, my target drag # for my "Tank". With one of the PRO Challenger gearsleeves the backlash should be much less.
Well its been a month what's happening with the second generation gear sets.
Mike
Quote from: mikeysm on May 30, 2016, 02:00:08 PM
Well its been a month what's happening with the second generation gear sets.
Mike
All gear sets should be done next week, and they should ship out to the US by end of next week.
That sounds great these old reels will soon be the ultimate in penn reels. I used my jigmaster gear set in my accurate squidder magnum. The 5:1 gear ratio is a huge improvement over stock squidder gearing. Now I can get my jigmaster back together and max out my 113 4/0 on improvements.
Mike
Alan is there going to be a second generation 115 9/0 gear set also.
Mike
A 114H main gear is the same as a 115 main gear.
The 115 9/0 has a different gear ratio because of the larger spool.
Mike
Only the pinion gear is different. Alan C. would only have to sell pinion & main gears seperateley. He is already producing what is neccessery.
He still has to sell them in a set. I want to know if they are going to make one for the 115 9/0. Thats all I wanted to know.
I want to know if your going to do a sign up thread or offer them through your website?
Quote from: David Hall on June 01, 2016, 02:51:07 AM
I want to know if your going to do a sign up thread or offer them through your website?
It will be offered through my online store.
Quote from: mikeysm on June 01, 2016, 01:15:04 AM
He still has to sell them in a set. I want to know if they are going to make one for the 115 9/0. Thats all I wanted to know.
We will, but it has to wait until we finish the new 113N frame, spool and sideplate.
Thank you for a simple answer Alan. Thats all I wanted to know.
Mike
Any ETA's on the new gear drag set?
Thanks!
Andy
Quote from: steelhead_killer on June 21, 2016, 02:03:28 AM
Any ETA's on the new gear drag set?
Thanks!
Andy
There was a little hung up with the heat treating process. They should be shipped out from Taiwan to me at the US coming this Monday.
And just in time too, I have a couple more 4/0 builds that need new gears.
This part is available in my online store now.
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/de7d162c-ef87-4f8f-87f8-bb728d3733af_zpsovtm6qb8.jpg)
Alan your gears just arrived they sure look good and functional. All the parts together leaves nothing left for the imagination.
Quote from: mikeysm on July 12, 2016, 02:12:06 AM
Alan your gears just arrived they sure look good and functional. All the parts together leaves nothing left for the imagination.
Now, let see if you can put it to work on a giant monster.
I'm still trying to get the rod built for the reel. I have the parts the builder is my hold up.
I have few members asked me that if the main gear is made in brass because it has the golden color. The answer is "no". All my gears are made in stainless steel, and most of them are heat treated. The reason the color is goldenish because that are not polished (try to keep the cost down). They are just clean.
Don't worry, they are stainless steel.
If you want the stainless look use bar keepers friend found in the grocery store. Scrub with a tooth brush and the tarnish from the heat treating will disapear.
Mike
Quote from: Black Pearl on July 07, 2016, 12:03:02 AM
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If you wanted to leave them as they are, they will perform just fine.
To me, these are now the best gears on the market.
Sal
I got a set these gears n' drag washers and wanted to try 'em out with the old 113H stuff I haven't replaced yet, only to find out the pinion's not compatible with the bronze/chromed spool(reel's probably from the 40's, with the three 2.5 mm drag washers). Pinion I D for the 113HX kit too narrow, won't fit and I can see that the part that engages squared section a the spool shaft is also gonna be too small. so which spool(s) is/are compatible with this gear set?
Gfish
Quote from: Gfish on July 26, 2016, 08:14:30 AM
I got a set these gears n' drag washers and wanted to try 'em out with the old 113H stuff I haven't replaced yet, only to find out the pinion's not compatible with the bronze/chromed spool(reel's probably from the 40's, with the three 2.5 mm drag washers). Pinion I D for the 113HX kit too narrow, won't fit and I can see that the part that engages squared section a the spool shaft is also gonna be too small. so which spool(s) is/are compatible with this gear set?
Gfish
Is it possible to send me that spool for checking? Of course, I will pay for the shipping for both ways. Please let me know.
It should fit, but who knows. Regardless, we will take care of that.
Thanks,
Alan
Quote from: Black Pearl on July 26, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: Gfish on July 26, 2016, 08:14:30 AM
I got a set these gears n' drag washers and wanted to try 'em out with the old 113H stuff I haven't replaced yet, only to find out the pinion's not compatible with the bronze/chromed spool(reel's probably from the 40's, with the three 2.5 mm drag washers). Pinion I D for the 113HX kit too narrow, won't fit and I can see that the part that engages squared section a the spool shaft is also gonna be too small. so which spool(s) is/are compatible with this gear set?
Gfish
Is it possible to send me that spool for checking? Of course, I will pay for the shipping for both ways. Please let me know.
It should fit, but who knows. Regardless, we will take care of that.
Thanks,
Alan
I was wondering what became of this...did anyone figure it out?
Quote from: mo65 on October 30, 2016, 06:04:37 AM
Quote from: Black Pearl on July 26, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: Gfish on July 26, 2016, 08:14:30 AM
I got a set these gears n' drag washers and wanted to try 'em out with the old 113H stuff I haven't replaced yet, only to find out the pinion's not compatible with the bronze/chromed spool(reel's probably from the 40's, with the three 2.5 mm drag washers). Pinion I D for the 113HX kit too narrow, won't fit and I can see that the part that engages squared section a the spool shaft is also gonna be too small. so which spool(s) is/are compatible with this gear set?
Gfish
Is it possible to send me that spool for checking? Of course, I will pay for the shipping for both ways. Please let me know.
It should fit, but who knows. Regardless, we will take care of that.
Thanks,
Alan
I was wondering what became of this...did anyone figure it out?
Yeah, Gary sent me the spool and the pinion gear that he bought from me. I cleaned the spool shaft and clean the pinion hole a little, and it was fitted perfectly. Then, I sent him back the parts the same day.
Quote from: Black Pearl on October 30, 2016, 12:20:58 PM
Gary sent me the spool and the pinion gear that he bought from me. I cleaned the spool shaft and clean the pinion hole a little, and it was fitted perfectly. Then, I sent him back the parts the same day.
Great, I was hoping that was all it needed. Same day service...not many places you'll get that kind of support. Also thanks for answering my question so fast, and making these awesome performance products! 8)
Yep. Allen C./Pro Challenger's got A-1 service. Reel works flawlessly now. 1st fish on it was one them elusive G.T.'s(Giant Travally, or Ulua). I think Sal's probably right : " now the best gears on the market".
Gfish(Gregg).
Can we still order these sets? Was interested in 2 package c
Here is the online store.
https://mkt.com/pro-challenger-llc/
I just got in a very good CF drag washer for this 113HX gear set.
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 13, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
Don't base my numbers at where it should be fished at, those are testing numbers only.
I could tell you this, we will have the (500) as a 20lb reel, the ( 113h) as a 30lb reel and the( 114H ) as a 35lb reel.
Sal
Sal,
what would be a better reel for 80# braid for groupers?
a tanked up 113h with this new gears and all SS parts of course or a stock 114h reel?
These gears are a must have if you want the Ultimate Tank.
I really think this is Alan C's greatest invention to date.
I must have a set.
Quote from: steelfish on December 02, 2016, 02:02:20 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 13, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
Don't base my numbers at where it should be fished at, those are testing numbers only.
I could tell you this, we will have the (500) as a 20lb reel, the ( 113h) as a 30lb reel and the( 114H ) as a 35lb reel.
Sal
Sal,
what would be a better reel for 80# braid for groupers?
a tanked up 113h with this new gears and all SS parts of course or a stock 114h reel?
Alex, it has to do with how tough you are. If you're like a couple of wimpy guys on here that can only use a two speed, forget about those ( just kidding ) ;D.
I have fished for grouper in Florida, but non of the Goliath Grouper that everyone talks about, those are scary.
Talking to some friends, they would be more comfortable with a larger reel as the 114h, some actually like the black slower 114.
if I would ever give it a shot, I would definitely try the Tank loaded with everything we have available.
I would probably bring two though, one with 4:1 ProChallenger's gears and one with stock steel 3.25:1 gear and Adam's inserts ...just in case.
Both might fail on those monsters, but i wouldn't mind.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 03, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: steelfish on December 02, 2016, 02:02:20 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 13, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
Don't base my numbers at where it should be fished at, those are testing numbers only.
I could tell you this, we will have the (500) as a 20lb reel, the ( 113h) as a 30lb reel and the( 114H ) as a 35lb reel.
Sal
Sal,
what would be a better reel for 80# braid for groupers?
a tanked up 113h with this new gears and all SS parts of course or a stock 114h reel?
Alex, it has to do with how tough you are. If you're like a couple of wimpy guys on here that can only use a two speed, forget about those ( just kidding ) ;D.
I have fished for grouper in Florida, but non of the Goliath Grouper that everyone talks about, those are scary.
Talking to some friends, they would be more comfortable with a larger reel as the 114h, some actually like the black slower 114.
if I would ever give it a shot, I would definitely try the Tank loaded with everything we have available.
I would probably bring two though, one with 4:1 ProChallenger's gears and one with stock steel 3.25:1 gear and Adam's inserts ...just in case.
Both might fail on those monsters, but i wouldn't mind.
Sal
I with you, I would like to try a 113h with SS guts, mine is still on process to be a Tank, but already have SS 4:1 gears, Lee inserts, tib wide frame, Toms plates, pending SS sleeve, when I got the money I will get this 2nd gen Alan Gear
this next fish was caught 2 days ago by my friend that runs a panga charter, its a Baya (gulf grouper), the reel used was a stock 114h, he dont know if it was the same fish or a different but it took 3 times to get it on the boat, the fish broke the line 3 times before came to the boat
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15241404_1515912081757709_5633953854133909285_n.jpg?oh=80c65250ab9633be8e8faf36cdcf63d7&oe=58B7540F)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/fishing/15283951_1515913305090920_7141497353863936812_n_zpsvjydudqh.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/fishing/15283951_1515913305090920_7141497353863936812_n_zpsvjydudqh.jpg.html)
not bad for a stock 114h, my other idea is to get a 114h and make it narrow and get a SS sleeve and gear insert and make it the grouper reel, but still continue to load the 113h with all the SS goods to have both ready for heavy action.
WOW!!! What a fish! Those do scare me a little, they could swallow you hole in one gulp ::)
http://brobible.com/guyism/article/goliath-grouper-swallows-shark/
Strap yourself to the boat if you decide to go buddy :)
Oh Yeah!
A Stock 114H getting it done.
Check it out Jeff.
Pure Penn Muscle.
I have a question about the 113HX gear set. Does this gear set work in Penn 113H that DO NOT have easy access to the drag washers?
My intended drag setting will about 18 pounds for a consistently silky smooth drag.
Quote from: Eddie K on December 04, 2016, 06:10:30 AM
I have a question about the 113HX gear set. Does this gear set work in Penn 113H that DO NOT have easy access to the drag washers?
My intended drag setting will about 18 pounds for a consistently silky smooth drag.
Hello Eddie, yes this set will work in the Penn 113H without the easy access drag system.
If you look at the first pic, you will notice (5) carbon fiber washers, (5) keyed metal washers and (1) thick washer.
The best combination from my personal tests is by removing the last keyed metal washers from the (5) and just place the (1) thick metal keyed washer on top.
You will follow with the 8-349 and the 9-113h. Those do not come with the kit, but should be on your reel.
As for consistant silky smooth drag, I get that over 30 pounds. That is by me pulling on the reel while the line is tied to a post.
Both plates, easy access and standard work nicely and give out the same numbers, somehow the standard plate feels a little better, but it might just be me.
Sal
Yeah. I hadda 113H w/ external drag access plate, anna big crack which chipped off. Bought the new one from Scotts( not the easy access style) installed a d.d., s.s. bridgeplate, HX gear set anna s.s. Gear sleeve, no problems. Really liked that "top hat" washer though. Now I gotta maroon L side plate w/ a red R side one. Tip, needa s.s. Yoke, I tried ta keep my old brass one an it got chewed on somethin fierce by the s.s. pinion.
Gfish
My favorite combo is the top hat SS gear sleeve. No sise to side play of the gear sleeve is important to my evaluation of smoothness, and the top hats seem to fit tighter in the plates than the sleeve alone. Almost as if the top hat acts as a bushing. A bushing there would be a great idea actually.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on December 04, 2016, 10:17:02 PM
My favorite combo is the top hat SS gear sleeve. No sise to side play of the gear sleeve is important to my evaluation of smoothness, and the top hats seem to fit tighter in the plates than the sleeve alone. Almost as if the top hat acts as a bushing. A bushing there would be a great idea actually.
Ron
Ron, we talked about this 4 years ago, John Tutle came up with a great idea
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3083.msg44188#msg44188
I've also tried these with good results, the correct size is not available, so a little modification is needed
https://www.mcmaster.com/#1688K15
I tried to get Alan to make us some custom sleeves, but he said it wasn't worth it, he is not making anything on the custom spacers for the jigmaster.
I'll ask again, maybe if he increases the cost to a dollar or two he could get them done. :-\
I was thinking that exactly, Sal. I don't have any plates without a top hat right now, but definately something I want to try.
Ron
Thank you Sal. My concern was the height of the gear. Maybe in the future if I decide to get a Tiburon frame, I'll be able to utilize the full potential of the drag. However, for now, I'll be using the drag set at 18 lbs.
Once again, I say thank you. :)
Quote from: Eddie K on December 05, 2016, 08:43:30 AM
Thank you Sal. My concern was the height of the gear. Maybe in the future if I decide to get a Tiburon frame, I'll be able to utilize the full potential of the drag. However, for now, I'll be using the drag set at 18 lbs.
Once again, I say thank you. :)
That was a good concern Eddie.
As you already know, you could make adjustments with this kit as you wish:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6517.msg56201#msg56201
Sal
Quote from: noyb72 on December 05, 2016, 03:15:08 AM
I was thinking that exactly, Sal. I don't have any plates without a top hat right now, but definately something I want to try.
Ron
Ron, I just remembered that I had a pic of that bearing that I've mentioned earlier, scroll down to the tourth and fifth pic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9746.msg90472#msg90472
I had a lot going on at one time around here...easy to forget :) .
Sal
Quote from: noyb72 on December 05, 2016, 03:15:08 AM
I was thinking that exactly, Sal. I don't have any plates without a top hat right now, but definately something I want to try.
Ron
Ron, I just remembered that I had a pic of that bearing that I've mentioned earlier, scroll down to the tourth and fifth pic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9746.msg90472#msg90472
I had a lot going on at one time around here...easy to forget :) .
Sal
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Good stuff here! It would be great to have a kit available that incoorporats these features. Has anyone seriously considered this?
John
Not sure about the AR on top John but I would like a tighter sleeve as mentioned above.
I spoke to Alan last evening and he said he will give it a shot for us.
By the way, the custom sleeve for the stock plates would not work on the Accurate plates, or Tom's plates ( same plates )
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20161205_120958.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20161205_120958.jpg.html)
Stock sleeve is close, but would be nice to get closer
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20161205_120936.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20161205_120936.jpg.html)
We'll see if Alan could make both sizes for us.
Sal
A tighter sleeve is almost a must have when you really put the power to these reels. Ive seen mine loosen up after a couple of months. Forcefully moving the handle side to side there will be excessive movement.
Ive built 4/0's for 3 people that use them for Grouper and they catch a bunch. Mostly in the 20 to 25 lb. range.
They use 200lb braided line and 300 to 400 lb leader. They told me the lighter braid just didn't havbe enough abrasion resistance.
They are still using Bryans 7 stack with Alan C's SS gears and gear sleeve. Its been almost 3 years now without a problem with any component in the reels.
Quote from: handi2 on December 06, 2016, 01:39:36 AM
Ive built 4/0's for 3 people that use them for Grouper and they catch a bunch. Mostly in the 20 to 25 lb. range.
They use 200lb braided line and 300 to 400 lb leader. They told me the lighter braid just didn't havbe enough abrasion resistance.
cool, thanks for the input
do you know how many 200lb braid could fit on a 4/0? 200yds?
Been eying this set for the last few weeks.
Anyone that has a Penn Baja Special, how are these black pearl gears as compared to the factory ss gears in the Baja? I have a Baja its my go to halibut reel and is quite smooth and quiet. I have a used 112h with used black pearl gear/pinion that is much louder than the factory Baja ss gears. Does anyone own the black pearl gears in a 113h and a Baja that they can campare as far a smoothness of feel and noise?
Thanks
Trevor
Actually I'd like to take back what I said about the 112 gears as this was a used reel that I did not build so I don't know 100% the source of the gears. I also don't know the background of this 112h other than the previous owner tells me they are BP gears. The only thing I can tell is that it has pretty noisy gears. Ive had it apart and the gears both main and pinion look brand new. Just wanted to ask about the noise and smoothness before I drop roughly $170 on all the black pearl SS internals for my 113h.
Thanks again,
Trevor
The reason my gear set is kind of louder because most of my gear sets are made with 416 graded stainless steel with heat treated. It will quiet down as it uses more and more.
What Black Pearl has stated is true. I have many of his gear sets in different reels. I like them. He has provided a fantastic service for those of us looking to improve an older design.
However the gear sets in US 113, Torque 2 speeds & the now discontinued Torque star Drags are among the best in the industry. When it comes to smooth & staying that way for a long time. I'm not saying Black Pearls gear sets dont do this ... because they do. I know this. We need to understand for gears to start out smooth & stay that way for a while takes some doing. This will be passed down in the form of cost to the buyer.
One popular manufacture of great bike parts that I'm no fan of when it comes to reels I use, makes soft gears that start smooth & can soon feel like sand & gravel in a single season if you fish & push them a bit, several days of most weeks Add to this, parts can be an issue after just a few years Fine reels if you only fish a few times a year... Jeff