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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Newell Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: steelhead_killer on February 10, 2016, 11:13:15 PM

Title: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 10, 2016, 11:13:15 PM
Which Newell reel would you own.  Please don't say a clear one for $5000.00.  One that you would use and pass down to the next generation of fisher people.  One that will stand the test of time and use?

Thanks!

Andy
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: BMITCH on February 11, 2016, 12:00:15 AM
P-220 tib'ed out. Here on the east coast you can use it for seabass to striped bass and everything inbetween. Just my two cents worth.

Bob
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: STRIPER LOU on February 11, 2016, 12:42:46 AM
First choice 220, 2nd 229, third 322. I would stay away from the blackies or any of the models that have the long thru screws which some of the guys call sex screws.
The 220 is really a sweet little reel!
..............Lou
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 11, 2016, 02:17:22 AM
G-220 and a G332 Both cast like a dream and the 332 can be fished easily with 30 and 40 lb mono. I prefer the G over the Ps because if you do not keep the screws lubricated and you don't seriously wash after each use then the screws could get seized in the P base or bars. The newer Ps are better than the old Ps as far as corrosion resistance. The early Gs are just fabulous Newells. I have too many but have difficulty parting with one. There are really nice.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: SoCalAngler on February 11, 2016, 02:32:07 AM
It will really depend on where you fish, what type of fish targeted and method of used for catching the fish. For the type of fishing I do mainly in So Cal with bait and topshots to 30 lbs a P or G 220 if spectra backing or a 229 if not, surface iron on a longer jig stick up to 40 lb test again a P or G 322 if spectra backing or a 332 if not. For Ulua from shore I'll let the Hawaii guy give you info for that.

I would also go with a drag upgrade if the reel does not already have one. Tib frames are nice but for me I want to keep my Newell's as light as I can. Now if I was going to use heavier mono/topshots around 50 lb and above I may think about a Tib frame.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: MarkT on February 11, 2016, 03:56:24 AM
The 332 was the standard reel for a Jig stick. The 322/332/338 are the same size as the Jigmaster 501/99/500.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: vilters on February 11, 2016, 04:09:42 AM
once you have had one, it's easy to justify more  ;D agree w/ above, 220/229 series for #15-25 lb, 322/332/338 series for #30-40 lb. my favorite is a p332 w/ tib frame and bryan's 5 stack drag kit. so fun for fishing surface iron! just got tom's stainless sleeve and dog to further upgrade it. back in the days when we had anchovies and albacore here in so cal, nothing would cast a chovy like a 220.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: thinkwahoo on February 11, 2016, 04:37:33 AM
Tough question, but the G229-F is hard to beat for light lures, and light bait, but with the drag upgrade it'll handle school tuna, local tails, calicos on swim baits, and further south dorado.

For more serious tails, bigger school tuna a G332-F, again with the drag upgrade, is a workhorse, as well as, getting that cast out there where the tails are boiling.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: MarkT on February 11, 2016, 05:32:50 AM
I guess I'm good because I found a p229f in the garage that spins like a top and has good drags. My son got it for $50 last summer and its been sitting around since then. It came with an Eagle Claw Starfire downrigger rod I need to throw out.

Update 2/11/16.
I just opened it up. It's been years since I've been in a Newell. It had dark red washers. Are those the originals from back when it was built? It has greased HT-100's now. I must say they were a superior design. Penn sure missed a bet by not buying Newell 35 years ago!  All the guys putting stainless parts in jigmasters and they still won't be as good as a 30+ year old Newell.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: thorhammer on February 11, 2016, 05:51:45 AM
229
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Bryan Young on February 11, 2016, 07:34:40 AM
My personal choice for an all around Newell would be a G332. Easy to cast, very light, just right in width, and a good all around reel for many different types of fishing.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: cbar45 on February 11, 2016, 07:59:55 AM
P-546 with Tiburon frame--perfect all-around reel for Hawaiian-style ulua fishing imho.. 8)

Chad
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: SoCalAngler on February 13, 2016, 03:34:14 AM
Quote from: MarkT on February 11, 2016, 05:32:50 AM
I guess I'm good because I found a p229f in the garage that spins like a top and has good drags. My son got it for $50 last summer and its been sitting around since then. It came with an Eagle Claw Starfire downrigger rod I need to throw out.

Update 2/11/16.
I just opened it up. It's been years since I've been in a Newell. It had dark red washers. Are those the originals from back when it was built? It has greased HT-100's now. I must say they were a superior design. Penn sure missed a bet by not buying Newell 35 years ago!  All the guys putting stainless parts in jigmasters and they still won't be as good as a 30+ year old Newell.

Most likely no, there not stock drag washers. Newell's came with a plastic like drag washer that were black that fit in between the metal washers, the red ones are most likely HT-100 upgraded drag washers. People at those times went to smoothies, super smoothies and a couple of different drag washers but went to HT-100's when they found out that they also will fit Newell reels and were much better.

I still have Penn's that have the dark red washers, one that I was just into is a 525 mag.

Unless Carl went to a different colored material for his drag washers, which IMO is highly unlikely because he was not focused on drag but on a better design of a Penn reel. 
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: MarkT on February 13, 2016, 03:40:27 AM
They look plastic, definitely not any kind of carbon fiber.  Either way they're out of there and the 4 greased HT-100's (3 up, one down) rock.

Both my 525 and 525 Mag have HT-100 woven carbon fiber, round drag washers... Not the later eared washers.

Weren't old Newell washers black with flecks gasket material or was that the old Smoothies?
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: SoCalAngler on February 13, 2016, 04:14:45 AM
You could even add another drag washer on top of the stack if wanted. With Newell reels there is room to add another carbon drag washer in between the belleville/top washer in the stack and the last metal washer on the gear. On most Newell reels there is room for mods like this for adding another washer without having going to a five stack.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: MarkT on February 13, 2016, 04:19:28 AM
As is it gets more than enough for fishing 25# which is probably the max I'd be looking to use a 229 for although with spectra it'd probably handle 30# with no issues.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: russ1962 on February 13, 2016, 06:58:52 PM
Quote from: MarkT on February 13, 2016, 03:40:27 AM
They look plastic, definitely not any kind of carbon fiber.  Either way they're out of there and the 4 greased HT-100's (3 up, one down) rock.

Both my 525 and 525 Mag have HT-100 woven carbon fiber, round drag washers... Not the later eared washers.

Weren't old Newell washers black with flecks gasket material or was that the old Smoothies?

I have a Newell that had the same type of plastic washers. I thought they may have been teflon.
Changed mine out to HT-100's too.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: russ1962 on February 13, 2016, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: steelhead_killer on February 10, 2016, 11:13:15 PM
Which Newell reel would you own.  Please don't say a clear one for $5000.00.  One that you would use and pass down to the next generation of fisher people.  One that will stand the test of time and use?

Thanks!

Andy

I hope that I never have to choose.  ;D
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: bluefish69 on February 14, 2016, 05:38:56 AM
Over here we have a few guys that put 1 Teflon Washer on the bottom of the stack. They said it was better this way.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: ez2cdave on February 14, 2016, 07:18:37 AM
235 & 344 . . . I like wider spools.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Sulla on February 14, 2016, 08:34:52 PM
I guess if I could only have one it would be a P-440 8). There's just something about the feel of slinging iron on a big yet super light reel loaded with 40# test!
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 14, 2016, 10:20:56 PM
That P 440 is a very sweet reel. Keep it clean and it will be running 30 years from now.

Sal got me interested in tested the delrin under the stack and the .030 thick Delrin washers under the gear and the .020 delrin on top of the stack between the top washer and the Belleville is very smooth. Glad Sal twisted my arm on that one and no drag pressure lost. Just got smoother.

Dwight
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: landlubber on February 15, 2016, 12:23:33 AM
we throw big chunk bait here on galveston so the P OR G  338 is highly  prefered.   but latly I  made/assembled a Tibed out special purple/black crossbread  2nd Gen P -series that Norma put together for me years ago yes its been in the box, it should be sweet cant wait to try it throwing a 3oz weight with a light bait.  that P220 is a sweety to I have 2 that are mint 1st generation. 
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Brendan on February 16, 2016, 03:57:59 AM
I never decided which was the best and ended up with five. 220, 229, 322, 332 & 344. After reading this I think I put the wrong Delron under the gear on all but one Dwight.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 16, 2016, 04:10:20 AM
OK I got my first Newell reel.  It is a 332-5.  (Thanks Newell Nut) Cant wait to learn a new reel!  From all the comments it appears that this will not be my last Newell reel.  So what normally needs to be upgraded on these reels first?

Thanks to everyone for your opinions and guidance!

Andy
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: thinkwahoo on February 16, 2016, 06:23:24 AM
Andy, probably the first thing is to check that the bearings are smooth and quiet.  Even then flush the bearings out with aerosol parts cleaner (I use CRC), check that they now spin very well, followed by a couple drops of very light oil.

Next, check to see if the drags have been upgraded to carbon fiber drag material, Carbontex can be purchased thru Smoooth Drag, or just purchase HT100 drags that are used in Penn Jigmaster's.  Either set of drag washers should have a very thin layer of grease applied to make them work smoother.

Check to see the spool looks centered between the inside cage rings, and that there is no excessive side to side movement.  All you need is a little play to allow the spool to spin freely.

One final thing is to tighten the star very tight and make sure the star is not rubbing agains the side plate.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Reel 224 on February 16, 2016, 10:49:47 AM
I also purchased a Newel R332 on Newell Nut's recommendation,this is a first for me also,but I didn't receive it yet.

Joe 
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 16, 2016, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: thinkwahoo on February 16, 2016, 06:23:24 AM
Andy, probably the first thing is to check that the bearings are smooth and quiet.  Even then flush the bearings out with aerosol parts cleaner (I use CRC), check that they now spin very well, followed by a couple drops of very light oil.

Next, check to see if the drags have been upgraded to carbon fiber drag material, Carbontex can be purchased thru Smoooth Drag, or just purchase HT100 drags that are used in Penn Jigmaster's.  Either set of drag washers should have a very thin layer of grease applied to make them work smoother.

Check to see the spool looks centered between the inside cage rings, and that there is no excessive side to side movement.  All you need is a little play to allow the spool to spin freely.

One final thing is to tighten the star very tight and make sure the star is not rubbing agains the side plate.

X2 on what Jerry said. If the spool is centered well and spinning nice before you disassemble then no problem. Tiny little centering issues are solved with bearing spacer washers if needed. When you take out he handle side bearing cup in your case you will notice a plastic split ring. Different colors for different thicknesses installed at the factory. No need to change it but be careful putting the cup back in. Gently squeeze the ring together while getting an extra thread and all is well. Some people that are not familiar may feel a little resistance on the screw driver and get on it hard. This will chew up your split ring and they are very hard to find. Pay attention and no problem. No issue on the left side. That is an o ring so lube and go.

Dwight
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Reel 224 on February 16, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Dwight: I didn't follow that thing about squeezing the ring in the cup as you are installing it and getting an extra thread.

Joe
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 16, 2016, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on February 16, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Dwight: I didn't follow that thing about squeezing the ring in the cup as you are installing it and getting an extra thread.

Joe
The plastic split ring will open wider than the threaded hole that the cup screws into. It can get stuck and you can ruin it by not paying attention. Screw the cup in until you get contact with the plastic split ring, then help it get smaller with a finger nail or something and then screw it on in. I am referring to reels that have bearing cups. If you don't have bearing cups as in a P or early G or no letters than don't worry.

Dwight
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Reel 224 on February 16, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
Dwight: I have a G332 series, Just received it today. Second thing, the schematics that are posted for the series 300s are not big enough to copy and read.

Joe
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 16, 2016, 11:22:07 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on February 16, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
Dwight: I have a G332 series, Just received it today. Second thing, the schematics that are posted for the series 300s are not big enough to copy and read.

Joe
I just emailed you schematics.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Reel 224 on February 17, 2016, 02:44:42 PM
Got it Dwight, thank you.

Joe
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 20, 2016, 02:19:26 AM
Got the 332-5 today and promptly exploded it on the kitchen table!  What a great product.  This thing is light, strong and corrosion resistant.  I am amazed at the simplicity and stainless steel.  Simple to work on just too bad they don't make these things anymore.  How were they priced when they were still making them?  Meaning what was the retail price for 300 series compared to a Penn or a Shimano?  Just curious because they are great reels!
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Post by: ez2cdave on February 20, 2016, 09:45:12 PM
First batch of four . . .
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Post by: ez2cdave on February 20, 2016, 09:46:54 PM
Second batch of four
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Third batch of four . . .
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Post by: ez2cdave on February 20, 2016, 09:51:05 PM
Last one . . .
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 20, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
Thank you! ;D
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: ez2cdave on February 20, 2016, 10:07:40 PM
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Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: ez2cdave on February 20, 2016, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: steelhead_killer on February 20, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
Thank you! ;D

You're welcome . . . Tight Lines !!!
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Alto Mare on February 21, 2016, 02:55:44 AM
Lots of good info there Dave, Thanks for posting those!
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: ez2cdave on February 21, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
Thank you , Gentlemen !

I'm glad to be able to help out, whenever I can . . .

Tight Lines !!!
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: ez2cdave on February 21, 2016, 01:41:30 PM
I posted these items and several more here . . .

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7159.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7159.0)

Tight Lines !!!
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: mark d on February 24, 2016, 09:52:12 PM

recently started gettin into newells and jeez, what a cool little machine. gotta g220 and a g229. wanna get a g 338ish. can anyone tell me the drag #'s on these reels please ? or better yet a good location for this type of info. failed with search so far

   thks, mark
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: thinkwahoo on February 25, 2016, 12:10:32 AM
Stock, they should get 9# - 12#.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: mark d on February 25, 2016, 03:05:01 AM

thks, with carbontex or ht-100 upgrade would the #'s be the same ?
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 25, 2016, 04:12:35 AM
Quote from: mark d on February 24, 2016, 09:52:12 PM

recently started gettin into newells and jeez, what a cool little machine. gotta g220 and a g229. wanna get a g 338ish. can anyone tell me the drag #'s on these reels please ? or better yet a good location for this type of info. failed with search so far

   thks, mark

When I first tested Bryan's 5 stack drag system I got 30# on a 338. Runs real smooth at 15 to 18. Great reels with the right drag system in them.

Dwight
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 25, 2016, 04:15:34 AM
First Newell reel with a new Tib Frame.  Looks like she has a tuxedo on!  Next need the 5+1!  Have the SS sleeve on order.  (http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/newell%20332-5%20tib%20frame_zpshx7aqwbv.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/newell%20332-5%20tib%20frame_zpshx7aqwbv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: bluefish69 on February 25, 2016, 04:30:56 AM
The 332 is one of my favorites. I use it for deep drop fishing 150'-400'. I only have 3 of them.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: MarkT on February 25, 2016, 04:43:03 AM
Quote from: steelhead_killer on February 25, 2016, 04:15:34 AM
First Newell reel with a new Tib Frame.  Looks like she has a tuxedo on!  Next need the 5+1!  Have the SS sleeve on order. 

Doesn't it already had a stainless sleeve?
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: bluefish69 on February 25, 2016, 04:54:41 AM
I have found a few that a magnet likes to cuddle with but very few
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 25, 2016, 05:25:23 AM
sure looks like a non stainless steel sleeve to me, but I could be wrong, which is often the case.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: SoCalAngler on February 25, 2016, 06:19:57 AM
Newell stock sleeves should be stainless.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Bryan Young on February 25, 2016, 01:51:16 PM
Not all Newell sleeves were stainless steel. I have a few that look bronze. Slightly heavier than the stainless steel ones that I got.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: mark d on February 25, 2016, 03:19:11 PM

the sleeve on my g220 is bronze. not very good photo attached...i think. how important do you guys think this upgrade is ?
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: vilters on February 25, 2016, 05:14:12 PM
newell sleeves don't fail @ the handle attachment like penn reels. better/stronger design. handle is completely over the sleeve, not flush mounted @ the end. that said, I got the stainless sleeves for some of my newels  8)
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: MarkT on February 25, 2016, 05:24:04 PM
Blackies and P's had SS sleeves, G's and later had Bronze.  Lots of fish have been caught with bronze sleeves over the last 35 years so I don't think it's an important upgrade unless maybe you're fishing with heavy drag.  Probably completely unnecessary with a 200 series, 'maybe' on a 300 series and useful with a 400 series since they're the size of a 500 series but have the same internals as a 220.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: mark d on February 25, 2016, 07:30:45 PM

  thks guys
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: PacRat on February 25, 2016, 07:50:26 PM
Sometimes the bronze sleeves are chewed up on the end from having the handle nut cross-threaded. In that case it's worth buying a stainless sleeve...the supply of OEM Newell parts is getting expensive.
Mike
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 25, 2016, 07:54:41 PM
Most of the original Ps had SS sleeves on the 4 stack drag systems. As Newell transitioned away from SS sleeves you could actually get an old P with the hardened bronze. After that they have always been hardened bronze and the only failure that I have seen was a cross threaded handle nut on one reel. The stock Newell parts work great and for a very long time. Bryan's drag kit will make any of them run better.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 26, 2016, 12:52:32 AM
Special thank you to Newell Nut for some help getting my 332 humming!  I really appreciate the willingness to help!  Good peoples here!

Andy
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: theluckpusher on February 28, 2016, 09:40:54 PM
has any one see a newell star like this --- it looks plastic with spacer sleeve bronzed attached to it
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: theluckpusher on February 28, 2016, 10:18:13 PM
is this a late model P332F or a Frankinewell reel????  It is super clean but has Bronze gear sleeve - plastic star with attached bronze drag spacer - graphite reel - with matching plastic clicker - and plastic jack handle

the rod seat and clamp and spacer bar are all aluminum

and the handle is super clean the looks like the early p332f handle

I would appreciate any input thanks --- Sean Maguire
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: MarkT on February 28, 2016, 11:37:08 PM
Looks like a late model P that they made towards the end.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Newell Nut on February 28, 2016, 11:41:03 PM
Quote from: theluckpusher on February 28, 2016, 09:40:54 PM
has any one see a newell star like this --- it looks plastic with spacer sleeve bronzed attached to it

These were not for P series. Ps have Aluminum stars. I have seen two of these but I forget what series they were in. It was not a good design in my opinion.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: bluefish69 on February 29, 2016, 01:39:04 AM
The Star & Spacer is from an old Blackie. I have a few of them.



As far as picking just one Newell Reel. I would take a P-229 F. It's one of the best work horse of the brand
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: thinkwahoo on February 29, 2016, 04:01:59 AM
The star spacer came out near the end of the G series, and was a mistake that Carl regretted.  Most reels that were sent in for service or repair had these replaced with separate units.  I've clamped these stars up in a mill, and cut off the drag spacer.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: bluefish69 on February 29, 2016, 04:32:31 AM
I was always told they were from the Blackie model

OOOOPS
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: mark d on February 29, 2016, 03:37:41 PM

As far as picking just one Newell Reel. I would take a P-229 F. It's one of the best work horse of the brand
[/quote]

  why do people seem to prefer the p over the g ? i have read the history of newell that is stickied here and it does say there was a decline in quality over the years but it says it started after the g

  thks, mark
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: bluefish69 on February 29, 2016, 03:58:01 PM
Mark

The "G" model is a very good reel just my second choice. The "G" has a Graphite Handle, Graphite Jack Handle, Graphite Clicker Button & Graphite Reel Seat. I personally like the SS parts & Aluminum Reel Seat & handle on the "P" Series.

I have many of both Models because they are the best in the line of reels that Carl made.

Mike
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: mark d on February 29, 2016, 04:22:27 PM


   thks for the explanation

  mark
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: bluefish69 on February 29, 2016, 04:27:38 PM
I'm only here to help
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Frank on March 01, 2016, 07:33:38 PM
I have early G series reels with P series aluminum stars, aluminum handles, stainless jack levers and stainless clicker buttons. I guess what ever parts were left over from the P series were use up before converting to all graphite G's.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Frank on March 01, 2016, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on February 16, 2016, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on February 16, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Dwight: I didn't follow that thing about squeezing the ring in the cup as you are installing it and getting an extra thread.

Joe
The plastic split ring will open wider than the threaded hole that the cup screws into. It can get stuck and you can ruin it by not paying attention. Screw the cup in until you get contact with the plastic split ring, then help it get smaller with a finger nail or something and then screw it on in. I am referring to reels that have bearing cups. If you don't have bearing cups as in a P or early G or no letters than don't worry.

Dwight

Replace the split ring with an O ring on the right side. You will have infinite spool adjustment and you wont have to worry about having the proper color split ring to get the spool centered. I've been doing this for a good 15 years without a glitch.
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Reel 224 on March 01, 2016, 08:07:25 PM
Quote from: Frank on March 01, 2016, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on February 16, 2016, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on February 16, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
Dwight: I didn't follow that thing about squeezing the ring in the cup as you are installing it and getting an extra thread.

Joe
The plastic split ring will open wider than the threaded hole that the cup screws into. It can get stuck and you can ruin it by not paying attention. Screw the cup in until you get contact with the plastic split ring, then help it get smaller with a finger nail or something and then screw it on in. I am referring to reels that have bearing cups. If you don't have bearing cups as in a P or early G or no letters than don't worry.

Dwight

Replace the split ring with an O ring on the right side. You will have infinite spool adjustment and you wont have to worry about having the proper color split ring to get the spool centered. I've been doing this for a good 15 years without a glitch.

What size O ring Frank and where did you purchase it? I'm assuming you meant rubber O ring. Is that part # 50?

Joe   
Title: Re: IF you could justify just one...
Post by: Frank on March 01, 2016, 10:57:39 PM
Hey Joe.

You would be replacing a U-4 split ring with a U-2 O ring. I don't remember the size, it was quite awhile ago. I just took the O ring off the left side bearing cup and brought it to the hardware store, matched it up and bought ten and replaced all my right side split rings with the new O rings. Then you can play with both bearing cup adjustments until the spool  is perfectly centered. Also, use a good fitting brass washer in the bearing cup slots for adjustment if you want to avoid nicking up the cup screw slot.
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Post by: Reel 224 on March 01, 2016, 11:33:52 PM
Thanks Frank. I will look in my assortment of O rings to find a match. I can go to MSC or McMaster Carr for the brass washer.

Joe
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Post by: funhog on March 02, 2016, 04:48:51 AM
Enjoyed this thread very much. Two questions I don' t believed were answered.
  How much were they New, Back in the day?   I purchased all 5 of the P-F series from Turner's sporting goods in SoCal around 1983.  The 220 thru 338 sold for $127 ea. and the P454F was $157.
I still have them and they've been used a lot! I upgraded the drags with Bryans drag kits ( heavily greased) and I can get a lot more drag with them than i need, but I never use more than #15 on any of them,. With the upgraded drags, they are very smooth from zero to #15. Above that the smoothness can get a little wavy around 18#  and alot wavy beyond that(like about 2# difference on a spring scale) 0 to 15 is perfect! I love the sound a Newell makes when line is getting stripped off by a decent size fish with the drag somewhere between 6-12 with a full spool!
Lastly, Nothing has ever broke down on them other than the drags, I've replaced the bearings once and they are readily available and not expensive.   
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Post by: steelhead_killer on March 02, 2016, 05:24:33 AM
Quote from: funhog on March 02, 2016, 04:48:51 AM
Enjoyed this thread very much. Two questions I don' t believed were answered.
  How much were they New, Back in the day?   I purchased all 5 of the P-F series from Turner's sporting goods in SoCal around 1983.  The 220 thru 338 sold for $127 ea. and the P454F was $157.
I still have them and they've been used a lot! I upgraded the drags with Bryans drag kits ( heavily greased) and I can get a lot more drag with them than i need, but I never use more than #15 on any of them,. With the upgraded drags, they are very smooth from zero to #15. Above that the smoothness can get a little wavy around 18#  and alot wavy beyond that(like about 2# difference on a spring scale) 0 to 15 is perfect! I love the sound a Newell makes when line is getting stripped off by a decent size fish with the drag somewhere between 6-12 with a full spool!
Lastly, Nothing has ever broke down on them other than the drags, I've replaced the bearings once and they are readily available and not expensive.   

Thank you!  Thats not much more than an Abu Garcia!   What a great value these Newell reels have been. 
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Post by: mark d on March 02, 2016, 04:22:49 PM

steelhead, i failed to mention what a beautiful reel you have there. good luck with it
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Post by: steelhead_killer on April 08, 2016, 01:58:30 AM
Finally got a chance to cast the 332 out at the lake today.  12 rod, '30b test mono, 3 oz of lead, fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz blop!

They certainly live up to the reputation.  Very happy!  Bring on the Albacore!  Thanks to everyone!

Andy
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Post by: Wicho5981 on April 21, 2016, 10:49:01 PM
Never owned or know enough about Newell what would be average price to buy Newell g220f that would be worthwhile
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Post by: Bryan Young on April 21, 2016, 11:08:24 PM
Good condition about $120
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Post by: Newell Nut on April 21, 2016, 11:10:39 PM
Good luck finding one for that price. More like 150 to 185 range in mint condition.
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Post by: Alto Mare on April 22, 2016, 01:11:23 AM
Everyone should have at least one Newell.
Here is mine
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20160421_210244.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20160421_210244.jpg.html)
Dwight hooked me up with this one a while back.

Sal
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Post by: Bryan Young on April 22, 2016, 02:00:47 AM
Quote from: Newell Nut on April 21, 2016, 11:10:39 PM
Good luck finding one for that price. More like 150 to 185 range in mint condition.
Really?  I must have been sleeping at the wheel.
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Post by: bluefish69 on April 22, 2016, 03:36:58 AM
Bryan

I'm with NN on those prices. A "P" series goes $200.

Mike
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Post by: Newell Nut on April 22, 2016, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 22, 2016, 01:11:23 AM
Everyone should have at least one Newell.
Here is mine
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20160421_210244.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20160421_210244.jpg.html)
Dwight hooked me up with this one a while back.

Sal

This little power house has a few bucks tied up in it. Sweet reel there Sal.