this e-mail came in from out of the blue. i won't be contacting them or making any purchases, but if someone does can you let us know how it works out.
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From: Shelby Hong <shelby.hong@sutami.com>
To: alantani@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:31 AM
Subject: RE： Reel bearing from isutami
specialized in fishing reel Bearings since 1980
Hello,
Good day!
As you think this is a sales letter, but you will be regretful if delete it without checking the followings.
688ZZ Miniature Ball Bearing 8x16x5 EWC1209 One Way Bearings F036-A2 One Way Bearings MR85ZZ Ball Bearing 5x8x2.5
Price:$0.23 /pcs Price:$0.48/pcs Price:$0.66/pcs Price:$0.29/pcs
Application: fishing reel bearing
Application: fishing reel bearing Application: fishing reel bearing Application: fishing reel bearing
1)Accept orders from anywhere,Any amount,any person!
2)With good quality at lower price!
3)Quick delivery to anywhere
Please inform us if you can not find what you need.
Wanna lessen your wallet's burden? why not contact us,You will know that I am not in brag!
Regards
Shelby
Sales representative
Email: shelby.hong@sutami.com
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well,thanks alan.please allow me to modify some marking errors.
We are isutami bearings,not izutami bearings
and our official website is www.isutami.com
thanks
shelby
I have sent an email to Shelby for info on ceramics and will keep you up to date on what transpires the one way roller/clutch prices are very good
Idea ???
Shelby, What if you send a sample package to Alan Tani, in common or selected sizes he uses frequently.
he can evaluate and post results...
We are all looking for price breaks and even have Smoothdrags.com here that just may be interested also..
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Dear Shelby: I vote that you send a sample package of bearings to Alan. But be forewarned if you do. Alan will give an honest opinion of the quality of your bearings. So if you have the confidence that you produce quality bearings, send Alan a sample package for evaluation. Dominick
Quote from: Nessie Hunter on November 17, 2011, 06:44:29 PM
Idea ???
Shelby, What if you send a sample package to Alan Tani, in common or selected sizes he uses frequently.
he can evaluate and post results...
We are all looking for price breaks and even have Smoothdrags.com here that just may be interested also..
Thank you for your interest for us,the samples are on the way to alan,
We will ask alan to post all the details of bearings later.
Very happy to join you all here.
shelby
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Quote from: Pescachaser on November 17, 2011, 11:27:59 PM
Dear Shelby: I vote that you send a sample package of bearings to Alan. But be forewarned if you do. Alan will give an honest opinion of the quality of your bearings. So if you have the confidence that you produce quality bearings, send Alan a sample package for evaluation. Dominick
Hello Dominick
Thank you for your support,you will know all the details of the bearings later.I will be online here since 9:00am-18:00pm.
shelby
They are not able to supply ceramic bearings but Shelby will give discounts to Alans forum members, the bearing they are selling are abec1 and 3
Quote from: inhotpursuit on November 18, 2011, 06:03:32 AM
They are not able to supply ceramic bearings but Shelby will give discounts to Alans forum members, the bearing they are selling are abec1 and 3
Most of our miniature bearings are stainless steel or ASTM material,ABEC-1/3/5/7 are ok for us,the ceramic hybrid ones may cost more and take more time,we will put ceramic hybrid ones on our website in recent months.
We are asking for the price from our cooperating factory and will give you the price for your inquired ones soon.
Thank you Shelby... Good to have you here...
I sure hope this works out..
I could use a price break on good bearings..
Quote from: shelby.hong on November 18, 2011, 06:30:18 AM
Quote from: inhotpursuit on November 18, 2011, 06:03:32 AM
They are not able to supply ceramic bearings but Shelby will give discounts to Alans forum members, the bearing they are selling are abec1 and 3
Most of our miniature bearings are stainless steel or ASTM material,ABEC-1/3/5/7 are ok for us,the ceramic hybrid ones may cost more and take more time,we will put ceramic hybrid ones on our website in recent months.
We are asking for the price from our cooperating factory and will give you the price for your inquired ones soon.
That will be great if you can do that Shelby
shelby, this would probably be a good time to ask a few questions. now, the only material we can use in a fishing reel is stainless steel. what grade stainless do you use? you've got an inside race, and outside race, shields, seals, balls and cage. for most bearings, i have found that a two piece cage works better than one piece cage. some spool bearings i like to leave open, so an abec 5 or 7 rating is important. non-spool bearings are packed with grease, so the abec rating is not so important to me. for spool bearings, a shield that is held in by a retaining ring is easiest to work with, assuming you can get in with the tip of fish hook and remove the retaining ring. could bearings be ordered open.
How about small flanged angular contact bearings?
shelby, it's funny, my neighbor, the guy that comes fishing with me all the time, his home town in china is the same city as yours! if you make it to san francisco, i will drag him along.
as a matter of principle, i will allow anyone to post anything on this website that is fishing reel related. the pricing, while not a problem for the consumer, will likely prove to be a problem for retailers in this country. this could open up a huge can of worms.....
sorry, just figured out what you meant so i changed the "z" to an "s."
I am sure I just didnt see it!!!
But the most common of all bearings I use is the Shimano/Daiwa/Revo Spool bearing which is;
3x10x4 mm ...
I use many others but this is by far the one I use the most.
'Almost' all Shimano low pro and round Reels up to 700 size Spools use it...
Many Daiwa and the Revo series use it also....
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Quote from: Keta on November 19, 2011, 05:47:51 PM
How about small flanged angular contact bearings?
Hello keta,
Email or send a message to me,your type model and quantity.We will give u the price and more details asap.
shelby
Quote from: Nessie Hunter on November 18, 2011, 04:37:24 PM
Thank you Shelby... Good to have you here...
I sure hope this works out..
I could use a price break on good bearings..
haha,Alan will give an honest opinion of the quality of our bearings later,the samples are on the way to him.
Quote from: alantani on November 19, 2011, 06:09:20 PM
shelby, it's funny, my neighbor, the guy that comes fishing with me all the time, his home town in china is the same city as yours! if you make it to san francisco, i will drag him along.
as a matter of principle, i will allow anyone to post anything on this website that is fishing reel related. the pricing, while not a problem for the consumer, will likely prove to be a problem for retailers in this country. this could open up a huge can of worms.....
Really!?that would be great,Just take the guy with you,this can make your conversation more harmonious ~hah
Yeah,it's isutami,thank you for your effort.
By the way,my English is not very good,please understand ;)
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Quote from: Nessie Hunter on November 19, 2011, 08:01:41 PM
I am sure I just didnt see it!!!
But the most common of all bearings I use is the Shimano/Daiwa/Revo Spool bearing which is;
3x10x4 mm ...
I use many others but this is by far the one I use the most.
'Almost' all Shimano low pro and round Reels up to 700 size Spools use it...
Many Daiwa and the Revo series use it also....
Following the pic and price of 3X10X4mm,for your reference,
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-10/Commodity_13190918360910.jpg)
Type No:SS623ZZ Stainless Steel Ball Bearing(3x10x4)
Brand:ISUTAMI
Unit Price:Quantity Price
0 - 244 US$ 0.82
245 - 610 US$ 0.67
611 - 2439 US$ 0.58
2440 - US$ 0.48
shelby :)
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Quote from: alantani on November 19, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
shelby, this would probably be a good time to ask a few questions. now, the only material we can use in a fishing reel is stainless steel. what grade stainless do you use? you've got an inside race, and outside race, shields, seals, balls and cage. for most bearings, i have found that a two piece cage works better than one piece cage. some spool bearings i like to leave open, so an abec 5 or 7 rating is important. non-spool bearings are packed with grease, so the abec rating is not so important to me. for spool bearings, a shield that is held in by a retaining ring is easiest to work with, assuming you can get in with the tip of fish hook and remove the retaining ring. could bearings be ordered open.
Haha alan,I am not a good fishman,we can provide S/S bearings for ABEC-1/3/5/7,and the seal method may according to the customers' requirements, Double sizes shield(zz)/Double sizes rubber seal(2RS)/open style are ok for us.
Shelby, your English is better than our Chinese. Don't be concerned about it. This is turning out to be an interesting thread. Let's hear from Alan once he has time to review the sample package. Good luck. Dominick
figure all stainless, abec 5, open, shielded and sealed, metric and inch. you saw this, right?
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=1190.0
Shelby,
Interesting to note that on your website you do not ship to Australia. Is this an option in the future? I'd be very interested once Alan gives them a good review.
Quote from: aus bass on November 21, 2011, 08:39:01 AM
Shelby,
Interesting to note that on your website you do not ship to Australia. Is this an option in the future? I'd be very interested once Alan gives them a good review.
Hello aus bass,
When you are in the checkout process,you can select your country,we delivery to everywhere over ther world by EMS/DHL/UPS etc.
Thank you for your interest for us,alan will show the review result in recent 2 weeks.
shelby
Happy thansgiving for you all~ :) :) :) :) :) :)
@Shelby
I think Alan asked this question earlier in this tread, what grade of Chromium steel are you using in Izutamis miniature bearings, and do the bearing use a double cage or a single cage?.
can't use chrome. they won't last. stainless is the only way to go.
Quote from: alantani on November 27, 2011, 05:31:39 PM
can't use chrome. they won't last. stainless is the only way to go.
I meant Chromium steel, NOT! Crome steel.
oops, sorry, didn't know that..... ;D
Quote from: Killerbug on November 27, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
@Shelby
I think Alan asked this question earlier in this tread, what grade of Chromium steel are you using in Izutamis miniature bearings, and do the bearing use a double cage or a single cage?.
Hello,
The material we use is 52100(high carbon chromium bearing steel) ,we get the material from Baosteel international.
and it's single cage. :)
shelby
shelby, this is the style of cage that i am looking for. i realize that is not possible in all sizes of bearings, but where possible, this is what i would want. not being totally familiar with the language of the industry, i would call this a two piece cage. is that correct?
(http://www.fullspeedfishing.com/gallery/data/500/bearing3_sm.jpg)
my ideal bearing would have an abec 5 speed rating, all stainless steel materials that specifies the grade of stainless, and two piece cage. providing that information on all of your bearings would be very helpful. alan
Quote from: shelby.hong on November 28, 2011, 06:46:27 AM
Quote from: Killerbug on November 27, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
@Shelby
I think Alan asked this question earlier in this tread, what grade of Chromium steel are you using in Izutamis miniature bearings, and do the bearing use a double cage or a single cage?.
Hello,
The material we use is ASTM(high carbon chromium bearing steel) ,we get the material from Baosteel international.
and it's single cage. :)
shelby
shelby, is that the same as stainless steel?
Quote from: alantani on November 28, 2011, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: shelby.hong on November 28, 2011, 06:46:27 AM
Quote from: Killerbug on November 27, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
@Shelby
I think Alan asked this question earlier in this tread, what grade of Chromium steel are you using in Izutamis miniature bearings, and do the bearing use a double cage or a single cage?.
Hello,
The material we use is ASTM(high carbon chromium bearing steel) ,we get the material from Baosteel international.
and it's single cage. :)
shelby
shelby, is that the same as stainless steel?
Well,actually,they are differennt,
（52100） ASTM-American Society for Testing and Materials ,
52100 is the name code of bearing material in USA standard.It's named Gcr15 in china and 683/XVII in ISO standard.
Its name is high carbon chromium steel and the chemical element of ASTM is different from stainless steel
52100 consists of C,Cr,Si,Mn,P,S,Ni,Cu,Mo,Sn,As,Ti,Sb,Pb,O,Ai,Ca.
Stainless steel consists of C,Cr,Ni,Mn,P,S,Mo,Si,Cu,N
52100 is more common than stainless steel in bearings cuz ASTM's combination property is better than stainless steel.
shelby :)
how does it hold up against salt?
Quote from: alantani on November 28, 2011, 07:42:34 PM
shelby, this is the style of cage that i am looking for. i realize that is not possible in all sizes of bearings, but where possible, this is what i would want. not being totally familiar with the language of the industry, i would call this a two piece cage. is that correct?
(http://www.fullspeedfishing.com/gallery/data/500/bearing3_sm.jpg)
my ideal bearing would have an abec 5 speed rating, all stainless steel materials that specifies the grade of stainless, and two piece cage. providing that information on all of your bearings would be very helpful. alan
Generally,we classify the cage according to its material/shape/process method
According to material,they may be devided into yellow metal cage/stainless cage/nylon cage
According to shape,they may be devided into frame shape cage/ribbon cage（this is the one shown in your picture）/crown shape cage
According to process mathod,they may divided into pressing cage/turning cage
Most of the cages used in fishing reels are ribbon and nylon or without cage（full complement balls）
ABEC-5/all stainless steel/ribbon cage/
These requirments are absolutely ok for us, i will firgue out about the stainless steel grade,cuz we have steel grade standard but do not have stainless steel grade standard yet. :)
Make it X65Cr14 according to ISO 683-17, then we will be happy ;D
Quote from: alantani on November 29, 2011, 02:00:05 AM
how does it hold up against salt?
52100 features desired hardness,strong rolling fatigue resistance,wearing resistance and stable dimension.
Except the grease protect,ASTM(52100) has a certain corrosion resistance for salt water.
shelby :)
the two common materials i see are 52100 chrome steel and 440c stainless steel. is your material closer to the chrome or the 440c stainless steel?
Quote from: alantani on November 29, 2011, 02:37:14 AM
the two common materials i see are 52100 chrome steel and 440c stainless steel. is your material closer to the chrome or the 440c stainless steel?
52100/ASTM they are the same, :)
We usually use ASTM in our quotation, sorry about that i did not make that clear enough. shelby
Hi folkes,
What defines if steel is stainless, is the amount of chromium in it. ASTM has nothing to do with it, ASTM, ISO or whatever is standard organizations, that has made some definitions of the quality grades. ASTM can be plain iron, or Stainless Steel dependent on the ASTM designation ;D
Regards
Quote from: Killerbug on November 29, 2011, 03:48:54 AM
What defines if steel is stainless, is the amount of chromium in it. ASTM has nothing to do with it, ASTM, ISO or whatever is standard organizations, that has made some definitions the quality grades. ASTM can be plain iron, or Stainless Steel dependent on the ASTM designation. I am out of here ;D
Yes,u r quite right.Actually, ASTM/ISO they are quality standard,but usually,our customers always know ASTM stand for 52100,cuz most of our steel material is 52100,so ASTM=52100 becomes a common view in our trading. :)
Apologize for that i did not make that clear enough. :)
it looks like your bearings would not work for a fishing reel. sorry shelby.
Quote from: alantani on November 29, 2011, 04:04:23 AM
it looks like your bearings would not work for a fishing reel. sorry shelby.
fishing reel bearing is part of our products,the material of fishing reel bearing can be total stainless steel or 52100 and ceramic, i am sorry about my poor English,maybe my answer makes you confused..But i am quite sure that our reel bearings can work well on reels, juz check the samples brought to you by hagard（my manager）, i think that will show you all, :) shelby
and to make matters worse, hagard (shelby's business associate) is flying into san francisco. apparently a business meeting fell through, but they still wanted to meet with me, then fly on to los angeles. i had to cancel that meeting. there is no point in getting together, plus i have to help my daughter with her college applications. the college aps have been a nightmare. :-\
ok, so you DO have a stainless steel 440c grade bearing, correct? i will see if i can still meet with hagard......
Quote from: alantani on November 29, 2011, 04:51:10 AM
ok, so you DO have a stainless steel 440c grade bearing, correct? i will see if i can still meet with hagard......
Yes,that's correct. 440 A/B/C are all ok for us. :)
By the way 440c is named 9cr18 in china.
Thank you for your kindly understand about the meeting.. shelby
ok, we are on for thursday at lunch time.
I think i need to make a conclusion about the material.
As you all think that bearings usually use 52100 steel and 440c steel.according to the different environment,we use different material.
1)52100 Some of fresh water fishing reel bearings are made of 52100.
2)440c Most of our fishing reel ball bearings are made of 440c cuz its corrosion resistance for salt is better than 52100.
3)Ceramic hybrid/full ceramic fishing reel ball bearing is a different matter.
Hope i have make this matter clear... :-\
Quote from: alantani on November 29, 2011, 05:50:38 AM
ok, we are on for thursday at lunch time.
Glad to hear that and thank you for your patience. :D
Many Thanks to alan, he will give a Relevant evaluation about our bearings this week. ;D
i thought it was pretty funny that my neighbor, jeff, was from the town of hangzhou!
(http://alantani.com/gallery/2/1_28_06_10_10_40_04_3.jpeg)
i treated the three guys from isutami to lunch last week. i figured jeff would have a good time so i dragged him along. it worked out fine. jeff got to speak to hagard and johnason in chinese and i got to speak to chitresh in english. we went to a small restaurant that jeff picked out and ordered lunch. i brought my four trays of bearing to let them see what i keep in inventory. there were alot of different quality bearings in the box. the avet ones were particularly bad. at least it gave them an idea of the quality that i was looking for. the isutami guys brought a variety of bearings and the ones i had a chanct to play with were fine. i could only evaluate how smooth they were, and they were plenty smooth. it's hard to evaluate them any more than that over just one beer.
basically, it comes down to 440C stainless as the absolute minimum grade of material, abec 5 preferred minimum spin rating, a 2 piece cage being preferred over a 1 piece cage (one piece only where absolutely necessary), open, sealed or shielded (with a circlip) prefered over a pressed in metal shield, the option of ordering bearings totally dry, oiled or totally packed with grease and a way for us to tell what it is we are getting. the grease point is important because being partly filled with grease means there are air pockets that can allow salt water in. then isutami will have to put everything together and deliver a consistent product at a good price. the problem is a natural bias in this country against products from china. it will take some doing to get over that.
shelby, i gave hagard a can of tsi 301. didn't think to get a picture until just before we left. from left to right, it's hagard, johnason, me and chitresh. guys, it was good to meet you. let me know how the rest of your trip went!
(http://alantani.com/gallery/5/1_06_12_11_12_01_55_5535632.jpeg)
That may have been the case even as little as 10 years ago and while china is still a little bit of a bully to its population the fact is that for the most factory workers are reasonably well paid,some are even housed,schooled and looked after medically by their employers,politics aside some of the products coming out of china are very well made, some are better than japanese,european and north american products while others are cheap junk so caution is neccasary.
hey guys,
I will not argue for anything, we just doing business, thats why we have a face to face meet with alan, our bearings may make you change the bias towards chinese products too. Lets just come back to the bearings guys,
shelby ;)
Sorry Shelby it was not my intention to make this political
Looking forward to my order thanks Shelby
Hi Shelby,
Im based in Wuxi City, Jiangsu now.
Are your bearings available in taobao site ?
I would like to try some of your bearings also.
Quote from: Jayce on December 09, 2011, 11:22:39 PM
Hi Shelby,
Im based in Wuxi City, Jiangsu now.
Are your bearings available in taobao site ?
I would like to try some of your bearings also.
Jayce,
you have got a pm,Taobao and ebay are both avaliable.
shelby:)
shelby, do you have that list for me yet?
Quote from: alantani on December 13, 2011, 01:35:38 AM
shelby, do you have that list for me yet?
Alan,I will send that to you this afternoon ,it's Tuesday morning now in china.. :)
alan,list had been sent yesterday.
Hey guys,following some ceramic fishing reel bearing picture.Hope you will be interested.（the black ones are made of Si3N4 the white ones are ZrO2 ）
(http://bearings.isutami-bearing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ceramicbearingsseries.jpg)
ceramic bearings
(http://bearings.isutami-bearing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ceramicthrust-ball-bearing.jpg)
Thrust ball bearings
(http://bearings.isutami-bearing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ceramicceramic-hybrid.jpg)
full ceramic
(http://bearings.isutami-bearing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ceramic%E5%85%A8%E9%99%B6%E7%93%B7.jpg)
full ceramic without cage
(http://bearings.isutami-bearing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ceramic%E5%85%A8%E9%99%B6%E7%93%B7%E5%B8%A6%E4%BF%9D%E6%8C%81%E5%99%A8.jpg)
Full ceramic with cage
(http://bearings.isutami-bearing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/miniaturebearings.jpg)
really looks beautiful. ;D
Shelby, those are bearings I would be interested in trying. Get me a list of sizes available and prices of both styles and both materials.
x2 that Shelby. ;D
they look nice. can you forward the axial load ratings on these and your 440c stainless bearings?
Quote from: alantani on December 14, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
they look nice. can you forward the axial load ratings on these and your 440c stainless bearings?
Well, i will send u a list again alan,but i hav something urgent to handle with now...I will do that late.
Quote from: Paleoreelist on December 14, 2011, 05:05:09 PM
x2 that Shelby. ;D
Ron,
Extra postage received, ;D
what does X2 mean？ ??? sorry about my English... :-*
G'day Shelby,
x2 means Ron's agreeing with Kevin's comment above, ie
QuoteGet me a list of sizes available and prices of both styles and both materials...
Hope that helps, Justin
Quote from: redsetta on December 15, 2011, 02:00:16 AM
G'day Shelby,
x2 means Ron's agreeing with Kevin's comment above, ie
QuoteGet me a list of sizes available and prices of both styles and both materials...
Hope that helps, Justin
Good stuff,thanks Justin ;D
Quote from: Pro Reel on December 14, 2011, 01:27:20 PM
Shelby, those are bearings I would be interested in trying. Get me a list of sizes available and prices of both styles and both materials.
Hi,Kevin,
As we hav thousands of bearings,we r adding new products everyday,so we do not hav a complete list for that yet.
Can u please give me the most common used size? I can give you a list with price and material for that.
Send me a pm. ;D shelby
wow this posting goes on and on lol 8)
Hey guys,
Enclosed Herewith some one-way bearing and packing pictures. hope you will be interested. :)
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-10/Commodity_1318578904667.jpg)
EWC1008-1 One Way Bearings(with inner shaft)
Material:440c cage:POM
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-10/Commodity_1318577206542.jpg)
F038-A2 One Way Bearings(with inner shaft)
Material:440c cage:Nylon
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-12/Commodity_13239441732500.jpg)
Color box 1
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-12/Commodity_13239441311400.jpg)
Color box 2
How do they look?
Hi Shelby.
Do the flames mean your bearings overheat? ;D
Ron
Merry christmas to you all,
(http://bearings.isutami-bearing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/%E6%9C%AA%E5%91%BD%E5%90%8D1.jpg)
Its nice to see that Christmas transcends all nationalitys, Merry christmas to you my friend.
Quote from: shelby.hong on December 16, 2011, 08:37:01 AM
Hey guys,
Enclosed Herewith some one-way bearing and packing pictures. hope you will be interested. :)
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-10/Commodity_1318578904667.jpg)
EWC1008-1 One Way Bearings(with inner shaft)
Material:440c cage:POM
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-10/Commodity_1318577206542.jpg)
F038-A2 One Way Bearings(with inner shaft)
Material:440c cage:Nylon
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-12/Commodity_13239441732500.jpg)
Color box 1
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-12/Commodity_13239441311400.jpg)
Color box 2
How do they look?
I like the EWC1008-1 One Way Bearings(with inner shaft)
Material:440c cage:POM
I'm looking for Daiwa A/R Bearing part # F55-2703 for LUNA 203, 253 & 300. Also Shimano A/R Bearings in part # BNT 1207 FOR Calcutta 400B, and BNT 2949 A/R Bearing for Calcutta 300-400TE
They must HAVE S.STEEL ROLLERS
Please give me a cost per bearing and shipping to USA email richard.schmitz@sbcglobal.net cell 708 514 7777
THANKS RICHARD W SCHMITZ
Quote from: RWS on December 29, 2011, 04:23:03 PM
I'm looking for Daiwa A/R Bearing part # F55-2703 for LUNA 203, 253 & 300. Also Shimano A/R Bearings in part # BNT 1207 FOR Calcutta 400B, and BNT 2949 A/R Bearing for Calcutta 300-400TE
They must HAVE S.STEEL ROLLERS
Please give me a cost per bearing and shipping to USA email richard.schmitz@sbcglobal.net cell 708 514 7777
THANKS RICHARD W SCHMITZ
Hi,Richard
Thanks for your inquiry.To be frank,we always quote according to the measure of the bearing and material, i am not very familiar with the fishing reel part....so this seems a little hard for me to get the bearing size u need from the reel part item number, but i will try. ;)
Hey guys,anyone can help for the size of these reel bearings? appreciated for that. ???
shelby
Shelby the shimano ar bearing bnt 2949 diamentions are 10x16/17x8 the sleave is 8x10x10 with two 1.5mmx4mm prongs ,let me know the part number also ,shimano ar bearings do have some back play so i would like to try your ar bearings.i'm not sure of the bnt 1207
(http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af297/inhotpursuit55/SAM_0518.jpg)
(http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af297/inhotpursuit55/SAM_0519.jpg)
sorry for the miss info Shelby the diawa T3 ar bearing is quite a bit smaller than the shimano ar bnt 2949 i will strip a curado 301 and measure them for your info along with some other reels with different ar bearings
Kenny,Many thanks for your pictures and information.
As china will be on new year holiday for 3 days since 1st-3rd January.We are trying to figure that out.
I will post once we get the result.
I think Frank had a post for Luna 203,that includes the bearing size.But i can not find that. ???.i am still looking for that topic.
Please give me some time, i will find the answer.
Happy new year,guys.
shelby
Shelby the shimano bnt 3910 ar bearing is the same size as bnt 2049 (10x16/17x8)allthough the sleave is shorter 8x10x9 with two 1.5mm x4mm prongs
this a daiwa f99-9803 ar bearing out of a T3
(http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af297/inhotpursuit55/SAM_0521.jpg)
dimentions are: ar bearing 10x14.5x9 :sleave is 8x10x10.6 keyed inside.
people are putting more strain on their ar bearings with the addition of carbontex washers and we are seeing more frequent failures in the ar bearings, i suggest maybe buying some different ar bearings from different manufacturers to add to your list of ar bearings, and listing the dimentions i was going to purchase some with my last order but i was unsure of the sizes you have in stock. Kenny
Quote from: inhotpursuit on December 30, 2011, 08:49:06 AM
Shelby the shimano ar bearing bnt 2949 diamentions are 10x16/17x8 the sleave is 8x10x10 with two 1.5mmx4mm prongs ,let me know the part number also ,shimano ar bearings do have some back play so i would like to try your ar bearings.i'm not sure of the bnt 1207
Thanks for your effort and advice. kenny, i had this one figured out. ±0.05 stand for the tolerance.
The part number is EWC1008-1 (This is our part No. As the bearing's size is always changing,it does not have a universal item number)
This is the DWG and product picture
Shimano A/R Bearing in part # BNT 2949
(http://www.isutami.com/userfiles/image/EWC1008-1.png)
(http://www.isutami.com/filestore/commodity_2011-10/Commodity_13185789046670.jpg) EWC1008-1
Hope this can help
Shelby the shimano ar bearing has more rollers than the one you have shown my guess is you are using biggers roller pins than the stock shimano ar bearings, the sleave is also a different design.is it possible for you to add a couple to my order so i can check out the feasabilty of using them on shimano reels thanks. Kenny
Well I am quite relieved that you have the BNT2949....
I was going to Mic the one I got into today (Cardiff 300).
But I could NOT do that good of a job (ever)... LOL
Quote from: inhotpursuit on December 31, 2011, 08:52:24 AM
Shelby the shimano ar bearing has more rollers than the one you have shown my guess is you are using biggers roller pins than the stock shimano ar bearings, the sleave is also a different design.is it possible for you to add a couple to my order so i can check out the feasabilty of using them on shimano reels thanks. Kenny
Well kenny,the 6 rollers drew in the design picture is only for reference,actually it's more than 6.
You r right,the sleave design is a little different,but the measure is matched with that one in your photo.Thats why they do not have a universal part number,because some design of the reel bearing is always changing.
I will add 1 piece of EWC1008-1 to your order and send to you for free,just for your testing. ;D
shelby
Thank you Shelby ;D
Shelby, you never sent me a free item :o :o !! (Only joking). :P
Well he did get a order from me over $500
Quote from: Paleoreelist on January 03, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
Shelby, you never sent me a free item :o :o !! (Only joking). :P
Ron,i promise you will get extra ones for your next order,hope you satisfied with the bearings. ;D
shelby
Three reels fitted with your bearings have gone out of the workshop this week, I'll keep you posted on feedback.
Any updates on these bearings???
yes i have tried the ceramic hybrid from isutami i tested them in my personal shimano baitcasters , at first i was a little annoyed at how noisy they were compared to the shielded vbx hybrids that were previously on the reels so i soaked them for twelve hours in tsi301 they were then drained and spun dry at a compressed air gun then given a shot of ether and spun again this quitened the bearings substantiately i removed one cover of the vbx bearings and did the same to them i found very little difference the vbx did spin a tad longer but i put that down to the fact that they are run in so to speak,the 3x10x4,4x10x4 and the 5x11x4 bearings came with a w type cage whereas the 3x8x4 and 3x10x4 came with a superior j type ribbon cage, all in all i am very satisfied with the ceramic hybrids i have sold about 20 sets and have had no complaints, most of the buyers from my FilAng forum report greater distances and are very happy with the upgrade over stock ss bearings.
I also recieved some full Si3NC ceramic bearings these are definatly an upgrade on the ceramic hybrids i don't find them to have a much greater free spin than the hybrids but they are much quiter need absolutely no lubrication,are about a third of the weight of ss and will never rust the componants are all Si3NC ceramic except for the races which are PEEK,all my baitcasters now have them .i also got some of the anti reverse bearings from isutami they do indeed feel more robust then the stock shimano ar bearing, the roller pins are larger than the stock shimano and there are fewer pins than the stock 6 compared to 10 the problem is they will not fit any of my reels the outer ribs are a different shape so the bearing will not slide in, this is something that Shelby will be working on along with seeing if they can put j type ribbon cages in all the hybrids
(http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af297/inhotpursuit55/SAM_0793.jpg)
(http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af297/inhotpursuit55/SAM_0795.jpg)
Thanks for the report, this has been kind of quiet for awhile.
Hey guys, I am back here, as MOTION and BOCA bearings had came to visit us last month, busy with having several visiting to our office&factory.
kenny,thanks for your objective comments on ISUTAMI bearings,we will try hard to improve our bearings next time, many apologise for the delayed delivery as the holidays and custom troubles,we will be careful next time and make sure this do not happen again.
Hope you had receive the email and attached pictures. Your continued support will be our power in future.
Maybe in Sep this yeah, i will came to USA, attend some trade shows in CA or FL, really hope to see any of you guys then if i am welcomed. ;D
Hey guys,
Here we clarify something, we still accept small qty orders, but for ceramic and hybrid ceramic ones,because now we do not have inventory now,we have a MOQ 500 for ceramic&Hybrid ceramic ones. For stainless steel ones, we still have enough inventory for them. ;D
By the way, thanks kenny and Ron for your remind and feedbacks.
Here we share some pics from the trade show in Los angeles. ;D
This is the gate of WESTEC trade show.
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff470/sutamibearings/DSCN7648.jpg)
ISUTAMI booth
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff470/sutamibearings/DSCN7672.jpg)
market manager Hagard and product manager craystal, the guy behind them is Udanni from India
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff470/sutamibearings/DSCN7674.jpg)
Our fishing reel miniature bearings,
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff470/sutamibearings/300.jpg)
packing box
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff470/sutamibearings/298.jpg)
Guys,
Any more comments/updates on these ISUTAMI bearings? I read the whole posting (7 pages) and I am very currious about these bearings vs the supplier's we have now. How are the ABEC5 bearings working out? For more info on steel composition you can go to: http://www.spyderco.com/edge-u-cation/steel.php and here: http://www.spyderco.com/edge-u-cation/index.php?item=3. Evaluation of these two link may help in your understanding of steel elements and different compositions of steels.
Guys with samples (Alan, etc); any comments?
Leo
something really wierd happened. it looked like someone from isutami was tagged as a spammer on stopforumspam.com or honeypot.com when he tried to register. those are the two filters used on this board. when shelby's friend was banned, the software for this site automatically picked up shelby's account and banned him as well. i didn't do it. i am also not sure how to undo all of this mess. even if i "untag" his ip address, it will just get picked up again. it's a bug in the software, i think. in the meantime, i had asked shelby about all the chinese spam that i was receiving and to see if he could stop it, but never heard back from him.
I received the sample bearings offered at $5..
Had some back & forth with Shelby as the site wouldnt take the info??
Had a Language glitch on my Address so that slowed it down???
Also had requested 3 sizes that I used the most.
Got '1' of those??
Not 1 set of 2, just 1 (one) bearing of the 3 sizes I asked for???
The rest were weird sizes and they are still sitting on the bench un-used....
They look OK, (but so did my first wife). Ill never know for sure!!!
Sorry, I know this isnt much help. Just my Experience....
Just me & my opinion..
But this was enough for me that I wont use them again...
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:D :D :D
you really cracked me up nessie
At first, I thought Shelby was just a spammer but it seems like his company is legit and I am definitely interested if he comes up with an improved AR bearing that will fit into the major reel manufacturers sideplates. I hope we get him back.
his e-mail is here somewhere.
<shelby.hong@sutami.com>
this is an example of the stuff i am receiving now.......
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Bearings Supplier,China Manufacturer&Agent Highpercision&best prices
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Hide Details FROM:skye TO:alantani@yahoo.com Message flagged Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:56 PM Dear Sir/Madam
Have a good day !
I am Skye from Shanghai Oupan Bearing Co. Ltd.
We Manufacture/Agent / Export worldwide famous brand bearings, such as SKF, NSK, NTN, KOYO, INA,FYH, TIMKEN and so on!China three major brands Wafangdian (ZWZ), Harbin (HRB), Luoyang (LYC) and other brands bearing.we can guarantee all products are qualified.
We make the specialty bearings and chains for discriminating buyers to satisfy your needs. As the best quality supplier, with good quality and competitive price and convenient transportation. Our products are well sold well in domestic and southeast Asia,East Asia,middle East,Africa,Europe,and Noth America.
If you are interested in our bearings, we will be very glad to answer your inquiries at any time.
Best wishes!
Skye zou
sales manager
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Shanghai Oupan Bearing Co., Ltd
Room D, 5F, 1068 Xikang Road,
Putuo District, Shanghai,
China. 200060
Mobile: 86-13917549578
Fax: 86-021-32558718
Skype: skye-bearing
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Hey guys, I am back! I got several email from alan's forum, so i come back to figure out what happened...thanks for unfreezing my account. ;D
Really sorry about the spam emails sent from our mail service, there's something wrong with that email service and now it is stopped. I have removed your email from the group sent email list.
i will be still glad to do anything if we can be of help. and i think i need to update some new pictures. :)
hi, shelby! i didn't freeze it, and i also didn't unfreeze it. there was a problem with the software when someone from your company tried to register and used the same ip address. i tried to figure out what the problem was, but got sidetracked after being unsuccessful on multiple occasions. anyway, welcome back!
Hi guys, following new customized packing for 608~ just share them with you. By the way, if we can be of help with your fishing reel bearings, just PM me.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7273/7696730404_cb00d447e6_m.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7696730782_f1478474aa_m.jpg)
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Quote from: alantani on August 02, 2012, 08:39:21 AM
hi, shelby! i didn't freeze it, and i also didn't unfreeze it. there was a problem with the software when someone from your company tried to register and used the same ip address. i tried to figure out what the problem was, but got sidetracked after being unsuccessful on multiple occasions. anyway, welcome back!
Anyway,Thanks and glad to be back~
Share some pics taken from Shanghai bearing fair and chicago bearing fair
our booth in shanghai
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8454/8029066001_bef630c569_m.jpg)
our booth in chicago
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/8029066045_4cd37fc8a0_m.jpg)
From left to right(davi,sunny,jack,simon,crystal,benson, moony,...i am taking the photo... ;D
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/8029062298_bcc57bb02f_m.jpg)
can you find the bearing?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/8029066485_eb078bafae_m.jpg)
farraginous bearings
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/8029062804_8a6594fc5e_m.jpg)
farraginous bearings
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/8029063068_aa65c0e544_m.jpg)
Look ISUTAMI bearings ;)
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Quote from: shelby.hong on August 02, 2012, 08:43:00 AMBy the way, if we can be of help with your fishing reel bearings, just PM me.
PM sent.
Merry christmas to you all.
It is cold here in china./ :-[
Merry Christmas Shelby - It's a bit cool here in Wisconsin right now also.
;D Miss u guys so much, :-*
What was the outcome with these bearings guys? Thanks.
didn't really work out. most of ended up sticking with smoothdrag and boca bearings.
Quote from: alantani on January 20, 2015, 07:41:32 PM
didn't really work out. most of ended up sticking with smoothdrag and boca bearings.
Ok thanks Alan.