Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Shimano Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: mo65 on June 14, 2016, 11:32:52 PM

Title: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on June 14, 2016, 11:32:52 PM
   I just scrolled through 40 pages of Shimano threads...but found not one question or tutorial about the Bantam 50. Either they never break down or I'm the only one using them! :D ;D :P I don't have pics to do a proper tutorial, but we need a Bantam 50 thread, so here's a look at my reel. The drag washers were hit hard on this one...so I tore it down to clean and service. I've found these reels cast as good with stock bushings as with replacement ball bearings.

   One of Shimano's classics.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4236/35505017861_5b935f157a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W6suQn)

   The bits and pieces...cleaned and ready for reassembly.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4209/34826486943_f81a1d781f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V4uRer)

   The reassembled bridge.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4280/35635264525_e3db226fbc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WhY3Cv)

   Mounted on a Tiger Lite Ugly Stik it makes a great musky/hybrid striper combo.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4018/35248763210_899c4b1354_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VGP8fJ)



Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: johndtuttle on June 15, 2016, 01:03:47 AM
Right on! Go forth and slay with that combo!  ;)
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: thorhammer on June 15, 2016, 04:46:00 AM
Man I always wanted some of those....great ole skool classics...my Bantam 100 with teak handles was my first casting reel in 1977 and I still love it.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 15, 2016, 05:07:22 AM
Good work Mo. ;)
I have a gold Bantam around somewhere.
I bought it in the 80's.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: Marcq on June 15, 2016, 05:13:26 AM
Looks like a very simple reel, how does the 3 arm star drag feels like?

Marc..
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on June 15, 2016, 05:24:04 PM
Quote from: Marcq on June 15, 2016, 05:13:26 AM
Looks like a very simple reel, how does the 3 arm star drag feels like?

Marc..

Yes...they are very simple designs...and very effective. You'll find quality materials inside and out...lots of stainless parts. I'll be honest, the 3 arm drag star can be hard to find, it easily hides behind the handle. On the other hand, the reward is the smooth strong drag. I'm guessing its the large gear/washer because she only has one inside the gear and one under it.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: Newell Nut on June 15, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
These are very nice reels and cast great with good line capacity. I have 3 new ones and one use Bantam 1000+ that I used in Alaska for Kings and sockeyes. Never had an issue with it.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: Ruffy on June 16, 2016, 01:23:31 AM
I have one of these reels. My dad bought it for me for my 8th (?) birthday, knowing that he'd get the most use out of it as he often went fishing without us. Little did I know, and I was that much into fishing that I didn't care. I still have it, and the 3500B baitrunner I got for my 10th birthday. In hindsight I was a pretty lucky kid. Dawn does have carbontex for this reel, as always well worth the upgrade!

Thinking about it now, he also bought my brother an Abu 6500C3 under the same guise as the Bantam, the cheeky old bugger ha ha.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: Swami805 on August 02, 2016, 02:40:47 AM
Greetings, I have 2 bantam 50 that I used for rockfishing for quite awhile. Over time they both developed the same problem, the spool won't engage from free spool when I turn the handle if there's a load on the reel unless i pop it up with my finger. Since I'm constantly going in and out of gear to check for bottom with a 6 to 8oz sinker I can't really use them for rockfish anymore. I have my grandkids coming down soon and I'd like to let them use them on the local 1/2 day if I can fix them. Anyone know what's causing this? Nice little reels and I'd like to get them back in the rotation. Thanks 
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: foakes on August 02, 2016, 03:16:28 AM
Hi Sheridan --

Since those great little Bantams are not really mean't for salt water, ocean current stresses, and heavy lead -- the reels just likely need complete cleanings, salt removal, burnishing of any parts, good marine grease, Drag replacement, adjusting and tuning.

If all of this was done -- the problem would probably be fixed.

Salt becomes encrusted in all of the wrong places -- causing sticking and poor operating issues.

Just my opinions...

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: johndtuttle on August 02, 2016, 03:16:33 AM
Quote from: Swami805 on August 02, 2016, 02:40:47 AM
Greetings, I have 2 bantam 50 that I used for rockfishing for quite awhile. Over time they both developed the same problem, the spool won't engage from free spool when I turn the handle if there's a load on the reel unless i pop it up with my finger. Since I'm constantly going in and out of gear to check for bottom with a 6 to 8oz sinker I can't really use them for rockfish anymore. I have my grandkids coming down soon and I'd like to let them use them on the local 1/2 day if I can fix them. Anyone know what's causing this? Nice little reels and I'd like to get them back in the rotation. Thanks 

Either the kick lever under the hood is gotten gummed up (probably corrosion) or the same has worn enough to no longer function.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: Swami805 on August 02, 2016, 03:36:16 AM
Thanks, I saw the tutorial at the top of the thread and it looks pretty user friendly,I'll go thru them and hope it's just gunked-up. I got a lot of mileage out of them, I put hawg handler handles on them when they were new and they served me well for a long time.
Thanks again
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on August 02, 2016, 04:17:52 AM
Fred's prolly right...start with a good cleaning. These 50s aren't like the little Bantam 100s everyone is familiar with though, a Bantam 50 is bigger, about the size of an Ambassadeur 7000. They are popular with snook fishermen in Florida, and musky fishermen here, but I never heard of anyone bottom fishing them. It could be that big 6-8oz. sinker wore them out.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: hurt locker on August 22, 2016, 12:35:22 PM
Bought a Bantam 500 Broken or for parts about a month ago and finally got it fixed up. internals look about the same as the Bantam 50 but no clicker on the 500. I used a Ht-100 6-965 under the gear and a 6-113h inside the gear. As Mo said, very smooth drag .  Also put a 24-555 Mag handle on it.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: thorhammer on August 22, 2016, 03:27:06 PM
Nicely done!
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on August 22, 2016, 03:45:43 PM
Nice fix hurt locker!
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: hurt locker on August 22, 2016, 06:22:03 PM
Thanks to both and also thanks Mo for opening this thread.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on August 22, 2016, 10:29:00 PM
Quote from: hurt locker on August 22, 2016, 06:22:03 PM
Thanks to both and also thanks Mo for opening this thread.

You're welcome hurt locker. Here's a link to the schematic for your reel: http://schematics.mikesreelrepair.com/albums/shimano/Shimano_Bantam_500.pdf

And while we're at it...a link for the Bantam 50 too: http://schematics.planetseafishing.com/downloads/shimano/multiplier/bantam-series/bantam-mag-50sg(87-124).pdf
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: steelhead_killer on August 22, 2016, 10:47:35 PM
One of my favorites!  (http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_6718_zpsidn9uxvr.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_6718_zpsidn9uxvr.jpg.html)(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_6719_zpspzmtyo3v.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_6719_zpspzmtyo3v.jpg.html)(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_6722_zpsjon0e903.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_6722_zpsjon0e903.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: thorhammer on August 22, 2016, 11:27:09 PM
You put it together backwards...the handle goes on the right side  ;D
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: steelhead_killer on August 22, 2016, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on August 22, 2016, 11:27:09 PM
You put it together backwards...the handle goes on the right side  ;D

8) 8)
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on July 30, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
   Yet another one of my reels goes through some transformation...hey...variety is the spice of life! I never did like the three armed drag star on this reel. It seems to always position itself behind the handle arm, most annoying if you're someone who backs off drags for storage and likes to be able to make on the fly adjustments. I had an Abu Garcia Ambassadeur 5500c four armed star that would slide right on this reel. Just for fun, lets add an aftermarket power handle, spool up some hi-vis 30lb. Stren, and take this thing catfishin'!
  The first photo shows the stock double paddle handle beside the new carbon fiber handle arm. The yellow arrow points to the area I scalloped. Since this carbon fiber arm is twice as thick as the stock arm, I didn't want to loose any threads on that handle nut. The red arrows indicate the new arm has a longer "throw"...ahh...perfect for stressing the gears! ;D
  The second pic shows the dreaded three arm star beside the 5500c 4 arm star I added. I prefer five arms, but four is better than three. That shim between them is needed behind the new star because it is a tad shorter than the stock piece.
  The third and fourth shots are the finished reel. Can't wait to hear that bait clicker run! 8)
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: oc1 on July 31, 2021, 04:54:49 AM
Mike, or anyone.  Is the Bantam 50 smaller than the Bantam 100?
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on July 31, 2021, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: oc1 on July 31, 2021, 04:54:49 AM
Mike, or anyone.  Is the Bantam 50 smaller than the Bantam 100?

   No, the 50 is larger, it's the size of an Ambassadeur 7000.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: oc1 on July 31, 2021, 07:27:04 PM
Thank you.  That explains why I never paid attention to them.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: steelfish on July 31, 2021, 09:05:12 PM
Quote from: mo65 on July 31, 2021, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: oc1 on July 31, 2021, 04:54:49 AM
Mike, or anyone.  Is the Bantam 50 smaller than the Bantam 100?

   No, the 50 is larger, it's the size of an Ambassadeur 7000.

Yay !! so its the grand daddy of the Tranx 500
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: oc1 on August 01, 2021, 05:17:19 AM
I think they are the grand daddy of all low profile reels with the possible exception of the Lew's Speed Spool.  That's where it all started.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: thorhammer on August 01, 2021, 01:43:31 PM
Mike, great looking rig, nice key on the cork knob with rod grip.
Title: Re: The Bantam 50
Post by: mo65 on August 01, 2021, 03:14:25 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on August 01, 2021, 01:43:31 PM
Mike, great looking rig, nice key on the cork knob with rod grip.

   Thanks John! I'm liking these cork knobs more and more all the time...fantastic grip when wet...it's the reason they put cork on rods since day one. 8)