As most of you know, I'm a Penn guy, and most of my reels are star drag. However, while discussing drag numbers on custom reels, with Alan Chui recently, he mentioned that this little triple series reel would be able to handle 50 lb. of drag. I told him that I didn't believe it, and asked if he would send one to me so that I could test it myself. I also told him that I wouldn't be responsible if the reel blew up, but he said "Go for it". Here is the reel, I wanted to take a look inside before my test:
(http://i.imgur.com/VHyIFWE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2DkmaUH.jpg)
and some specs:
(http://i.imgur.com/OWF2l1I.jpg)
starting with the pre-set knob
(http://i.imgur.com/ddaWtQD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qfo1rNL.jpg)
removing the three plate screws
(http://i.imgur.com/0Ld27xb.jpg)
and the plate pulls right out revealing a nice set of stainless steel gears
(http://i.imgur.com/wIVVN5P.jpg)
removing the spool
(http://i.imgur.com/0IMnE7Y.jpg)
since I have them out I'll be working on the frame and spool first.
The reel foot is stainless steel and it comes with a gasket
(http://i.imgur.com/3kRgmaM.jpg)
added some grease and set it back in
(http://i.imgur.com/O0SP4b6.jpg)
six screws total, that's not going anywhere
(http://i.imgur.com/Kjv4cuU.jpg)
gear cover also gets some grease
(http://i.imgur.com/WRbDrwQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/u7RD3tq.jpg)
pulled the spool shaft and removed the alarm cog wheel, bearing and tube
(http://i.imgur.com/wTFxlcN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YF9zs9F.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NC365i6.jpg)
and here is the patented 3 washers system
(http://i.imgur.com/vctfQgN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MFTgoEN.jpg)
the drag washers are dry
(http://i.imgur.com/wTvkFbx.jpg)
the metal sandwiched in between appears to be stainless steel
(http://i.imgur.com/c7JM9Go.jpg)
I'll grease them up and put them back in
(http://i.imgur.com/4VEm9iu.jpg)
pressing in with the thumb and setting the c-clip spring in place
(http://i.imgur.com/IiBQ3Im.jpg)
spool shaft back in and set the spool and frame aside
(http://i.imgur.com/0WP7rMc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wVRJvVN.jpg)
and now the shift housing
(http://i.imgur.com/TmeWwQ4.jpg)
the handle
(http://i.imgur.com/RwrlKlV.jpg)
and lining everything up so I don't lose the layout
(http://i.imgur.com/HVfqG3i.jpg)
now the gears... those look very nice
(http://i.imgur.com/HMybB3H.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/O54k7KF.jpg)
nice size bearing, I believe they increased this one in size
(http://i.imgur.com/tWXQfMB.jpg)
here is the layout again of the pre-set knob, the shift housing and the gears
(http://i.imgur.com/FlL53S5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yjVDZnR.jpg)
slapped some grease on the gears and set them back in
(http://i.imgur.com/o8Jd2j0.jpg)
set the spool back in place
(http://i.imgur.com/NA5jZJT.jpg)
notice the pinion is now on the spool, you will have a hard time lining up the dogs with the pins if you have the pinion on the plate.
The disc spring washers configuration from the left side ()()( I had one wrong and lost about 20 seconds of free spool.
Some more grease on the edge of the frame
(http://i.imgur.com/NA5jZJT.jpg)
and finishing with the assembly
(http://i.imgur.com/Q8fdCCc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Dur0l1o.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RsYMAci.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WngYMPh.jpg)
and here is the reel back together with no extra parts on the bench ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/y1lUOXW.jpg)
NOW THE TEST
56 bricks and wagon equal 350lbs
(http://i.imgur.com/OF2JbOQ.jpg)
I got it up to 32lb with the high gear, shifting into low gear I was able to pull 42lbs by turning the handle, I was impressed
(http://i.imgur.com/mpdOscl.jpg)
that much weight did a job on my wagon, check the right side wheel
(http://i.imgur.com/XRSvWZc.jpg)
by pulling with the rod I got 52lbs. but the scale moved to 50lbs
(http://i.imgur.com/Rxzcfwa.jpg)
I was really amazed by this little reel, freespool out of the box was just shy of one minute. Up to 48lbs of drag it still had freespool.
If you have any questions about this reel, maybe Alan could answer them, I don't know much about this reel or the manufacturer, but one thing that I can say for sure is that it made me a believer.
Sal
Sorry, I could not adjust the picture size so they are a bit large.
I have one I'm taking on the LR trip to test. It is slightly larger than a Avet MXL.
how much are these reels?
Im impressed with those clockmakers fingers you can handle small reel parts so well.... ;D...or is that the supersized pictures.
Quote from: wallacewt on May 28, 2014, 07:42:37 AM
how much are these reels?
Initially, this reel was $399.99, but OMOTO realized that to gain US customers' trust on its new products, it has to prove to them first. Therefore, OMOTO decided not to make too much profit margin on this Triple model and spent more money to set up few (4) service centers within USA, so the US customers do not have to send the reel back to Taiwan for service or parts.
By the way, this Triple also comes with narrow spool model.
$419aud, includes 5yr warranty and free postage(ebay)
Quote from: wallacewt on May 30, 2014, 01:48:46 AM
$419aud, includes 5yr warranty and free postage(ebay)
That will be $409 in USD, right? Too expensive for the US customers because US customer can add $30.00 more to get an AVET MXL Raptor 2 speeds.
I think that $299.00 + warranty is the right price for the US market for this reel.
about $369usd
Quote from: wallacewt on May 30, 2014, 05:37:18 AM
about $369usd
That is good price in AU consider that AVET MXL Raptor 2 speeds reel is very expensive in AU.
For $299, I think a lot of people would be willing to give it a try.
A lot of Omoto is Pelagic Omoto in Australia and its at least half recommended retail if you buy online. Ive seen some omoto compare almost identical to Avet.
Quote from: OldSchool on May 31, 2014, 01:02:16 AM
A lot of Omoto is Pelagic Omoto in Australia and its at least half recommended retail if you buy online. Ive seen some omoto compare almost identical to Avet.
That may be true with the older models but not this new Triple reel. I have an Atlas Kona that was made by Omoto with the AR bearing and backup dog. Yes they are very close to Avet in design.
Quote from: OldSchool on May 31, 2014, 01:02:16 AM
A lot of Omoto is Pelagic Omoto in Australia and its at least half recommended retail if you buy online. Ive seen some omoto compare almost identical to Avet.
That is correct, AU Pelagic is selling a lot of OMOTO's old model reels. If you check, AU Pelagic does not sell any Triple model reel. As a matter of fact, there is another AU company is selling this Triple reel for OMOTO (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OMOTO-TRIPLE-12II-12NII-SERIES-Lever-Drag-SPORT-JIGGING-BIG-GAME-FISHING-REEL-/181423865284?pt=AU_FishingReels&var=&hash=item2a3db47dc4 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OMOTO-TRIPLE-12II-12NII-SERIES-Lever-Drag-SPORT-JIGGING-BIG-GAME-FISHING-REEL-/181423865284?pt=AU_FishingReels&var=&hash=item2a3db47dc4)).
hi black pearl,
are you JROC?
Quote from: wallacewt on May 31, 2014, 03:43:44 AM
hi black pearl,
are you JROC?
Hi Wallace,
No, I am not.
Thanks,
Alan
So close its not funny for a fraction of the price
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PELAGIC-OMOTO-S-12-II-LEVER-DRAG-BIG-GAME-FISHING-REEL-/390850422532?pt=AU_FishingReels&hash=item5b00802704&_uhb=1
Quote from: OldSchool on June 02, 2014, 06:59:46 AM
So close its not funny for a fraction of the price
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PELAGIC-OMOTO-S-12-II-LEVER-DRAG-BIG-GAME-FISHING-REEL-/390850422532?pt=AU_FishingReels&hash=item5b00802704&_uhb=1
It is not funny at all. That reel is not a Triple. That is a Poseidon S-12II. You need to look little bit closer.
Quote from: Black Pearl on June 02, 2014, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: OldSchool on June 02, 2014, 06:59:46 AM
So close its not funny for a fraction of the price
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PELAGIC-OMOTO-S-12-II-LEVER-DRAG-BIG-GAME-FISHING-REEL-/390850422532?pt=AU_FishingReels&hash=item5b00802704&_uhb=1
It is not funny at all. That reel is not a Triple. That is a Poseidon S-12II. You need to look little bit closer.
When I say "close" i didn't mean it was the same otherwise i would have said it was the same, point being its similar and for the 71 bucks as apposed to the hundreds more for the triple was the point since these reels have some serious drag capacity to offer as well.
Quote from: OldSchool on June 03, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
Quote from: Black Pearl on June 02, 2014, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: OldSchool on June 02, 2014, 06:59:46 AM
So close its not funny for a fraction of the price
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PELAGIC-OMOTO-S-12-II-LEVER-DRAG-BIG-GAME-FISHING-REEL-/390850422532?pt=AU_FishingReels&hash=item5b00802704&_uhb=1
It is not funny at all. That reel is not a Triple. That is a Poseidon S-12II. You need to look little bit closer.
When I say "close" i didn't mean it was the same otherwise i would have said it was the same, point being its similar and for the 71 bucks as apposed to the hundreds more for the triple was the point since these reels have some serious drag capacity to offer as well.
I totally understood what you meant. About that AU Ebay seller, it appears that OMOTO has stopped selling to that Ebay company (Monster Fishing) as the beginning on this year. Therefore, that company is selling all the remaining stocks it has. I believe that it took OMOTO a long time to learn that lesson on price dumping. The OMOTO VS, Poseidon (Not 80 size), Zorro, Severo and Chief series are very good reel (not other models). If you can get those models really cheap, I will recommend to do so....
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I totally understood what you meant. About that AU Ebay seller, it appears that OMOTO has stopped selling to that Ebay company (Monster Fishing) as the beginning on this year. Therefore, that company is selling all the remaining stocks it has. I believe that it took OMOTO a long time to learn that lesson on price dumping. The OMOTO VS, Poseidon (Not 80 size), Zorro, Severo and Chief series are very good reel (not other models). If you can get those models really cheap, I will recommend to do so....
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Yes I own the VS and chief and value for money. I think any reel maker wanting to establish themselves as serious contenders need to stay off eBay. Really though if you have a $20 reel and sell it on ebay then its generally viewed as junk, but if you inject another $200 bucks of marketing into that $20 reel then its a $400.00 dynamo you have to own. Its all in the marketing.
I did not compare this reel to any other reels, I simply wanted to see what it could do for myself.
Try moving a wagon loaded with 350lbs by hands, it isn't easy.
This little reel did it with no problems, the drags were smooth all the way, my tests are listed here, anyone could double check for themselves.
I believe this is a great reel for the money.
Sal
I will be doing some on the water testing of one on the LR trip.
If I'm looking for a reel to move a wagon well I guess thats a good one to look at. I use my reels for fishing and many factors come into play as we all know when fishing and time will tell if they are good reels or not. Let me say I know very little about Omoto reels so I'm not trying to bash them or say they are good. I know Omoto has made knock off's of other manufactures reels, price dumped and other practices I'm not behind so it will take a whole lot for me to look at them seriously.
Yes you're right, the reel will need to be fished on the water. I stated on other posts that these tests that I've been doing might seem silly for some, but interesting for others, you have every rights for your opinion.
I've been fishing for over 40 years and understand a little about what I'm looking for, if a reel is able to take that kind of punishment, I would definitely give it a shot on the water.
Please don't misunderstand what I'm doing here, I'm not selling anyone this reel and I don't have anything to do with Omoto.
I told Alan Chui if the reel fails, I will post that it did, he understood and said for me to go for it.
Worthless or not, I'm just trying to give my honest opinion based on my experience.
On another note, reel manufacturers have been copying each other for as far as I can remember, most reels look the same on the inside, but this isn't what this is all about, I simply asked if I could take a look at the Triple Series and here it is.
Time will tell...
Sal
Easy, fellas...
Everybody has his own opinion. Most Westerners don't like anything that is made in China or Taiwan. It is ok. OMOTO will need to prove to all anglers that its products stand on its own.
About tackle manufacturers are copying each other, let's put it out there that every one copies from PENN at first. On the other hand, if you open up a smaller Okuma Makaira 8, 10 or 12, and an AVET Raptor, you will see that both are almost identical inside. I have read that both companies were trying to patent the drag system function, and I don't know who got it. In this case, who copies who? Since Okuma is Taiwan based company, so most Westerners will state that Okuma is, but how do we know...
Just fish and fish hard, and keep the party going......
Taiwan is not the PRC and should not be put into the same class of manufacturing countries.
I also received one of the Triple series reels here in the Panhandle of Florida. I own all of the other reels mentioned. Makaira 2 speed, Avet Raptor, Avet 2 speeds, and plenty of others. I also service and repair reels daily and know the internals of each of these reels very well. None of them have the drag components and anti-reverse system as the Triple reel. There is hardly any back play in the handle at all. Less than 1/4" of back play with the double dog system that as we all know will not fail.
Mine will fished as hard as it can with the intention to see just how much punishment this reel can take. There are some huge Amberjack in this part of the Gulf of Mexico along with other very tough fighters.
I will also do some drag testing on land but will try to use a fishing situation. Such as using a car or boat to pull the max drag (if I can find someone to hold that much) at fast intervals as a big fish would be doing. I believe 30 lbs. of drag when fishing would be something that would actually be used and that alone most people can't handle.
Keith
Quote from: handi2 on June 04, 2014, 03:44:23 PM
I will also do some drag testing on land but will try to use a fishing situation. Such as using a car or boat to pull the max drag (if I can find someone to hold that much) at fast intervals as a big fish would be doing. I believe 30 lbs. of drag when fishing would be something that would actually be used and that alone most people can't handle.
Keith
Yeah, keep in mind once the fish takes the line, eventually you will need to try to bring it back in ;).
That's when the gears really get a workout, not just the drag.
I am happy with just my Senators. You just keep doing what your doing Sal. ;)
Sure your methods are Unorthodox, but it definitely gets the point across buddy! ;)
Oh yeah,
I just got in few left hand reels in regular or narrow spool model.
Hi Sal; Ive really enjoyed you unbiased opinions and your taking the time to show the internals of the triple sec reel by omoto......The world is changing constantly and we must be ready to discuss everything going on openly......The test you did seems a valid one for max drag. Now lets go fishing with it. Time will tell. There are a few bargains out there. Most end up as a disappointment. At least for me. I,m glad a few companys are listening to the fishermans desires and not just pushing new models out the door. Your the man Sal.......Kudos, your time was well spent for us, the little people.
Gary, thanks for your kind words and understanding on what I'm really doing here, I knew you would ;).
Sal
Alan C has donated one of these reels for me to take on the LR trip, it will get tested in front of a bunch of people that know reels.
Quote from: Keta on June 10, 2014, 01:43:36 PM
Alan C has donated one of these reels for me to take on the LR trip, it will get tested in front of a bunch of people that know reels.
I don't know about a bunch Lee, I've seen the list of the guy and I know of only a few :-\.
Just kidding fellas ;D....couldn't thing of a better place to test a new reel ;).
I'm still waiting to see the reel myself. I guess I'll be getting one of yours to play with.
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 10, 2014, 08:09:46 PM
I'm still waiting to see the reel myself. I guess I'll be getting one of yours to play with.
I'll bring one to dinner Saturday and let you maul it.
:D
How do you guys think this reel would perform soaking baits?
It seems a lot of weight on the spool with the drag components. Also, the sealed spool bearings.
I understand there hasn't been much real world testing. Your opinions are welcome.
Thanks.
Derby
I haven't fished the triple series yet, but from taking a close look, I have no doubts that it will perform very well. A couple of members will be giving it a workout soon, time will tell.
Quote from: Derby on June 12, 2014, 10:00:41 PM
How do you guys think this reel would perform soaking baits?
It seems a lot of weight on the spool with the drag components. Also, the sealed spool bearings.
I understand there hasn't been much real world testing. Your opinions are welcome.
Thanks.
Derby
The one I have spins well.
I have now fished mine twice and its so much more than you would think. With me catching 10 lb. Red Snapper from my wheelchair it was no problem. I used high gear to get them off the structure them easily switched to low gear and just reeled them straight in.
I handed it to my son with a new 80 lb. mono leader and a large live bait and it was on..!! It had the Star 80 to 200 lb. rated rod bent double but lost the fish on the wreck. I think we need a stronger rod to get the bigger fish off the bottom..!! The reel was no problem but the rod was about to break..
Thanks for the report Keith.
Alan is not getting that reel that I'm showing back, I'm hoping to try it out myself.
Sal,
Very big tutorial!!!
I'like this Reel and the drug force is very incredible.
nice, nice, very nice work.
leonard
Another update on the Triple reel.
There was a huge Billfish tournament in Guld Shores Alabama 4 weeks ago. Along with Billfish all other fishes were included. When cleaning the multitudes of fish there was a huge influx of sharks in the area for days. It was even on the news.
We'll those sharks have moved east to where I am and on every spot when trying to fish. Almost every fish we caught got eaten by the sharks on the way up. They were cutting in half 40 lb. Amberjack's.
I told my son to rig the Triple with wire incase a shark wanted to play. It wasn't long till he pulled up a nice Red Snapper with a shark following. He got the Snapper and the 7/0 circle hook and it was on for almost an hour. The shark was released at the boat and was at least 10' long. No problem with the reel at all.
I'll have pics later
Nice Keith, can't wait for some pics. did you open the reel up afterward?
Thanks for sharing.
I felt no need to open the reel. It works flawlessly and the drag stays just as smooth.
I did just come across an old Penn 113-H reel. One of the original's. The cross bars are thinner and the chrome side rings don't have dimples on the back side of the rings. They are flat. It has a marlin or sailfish on the left side plate.
It says Penn Special 4/0. Also 113-H instead of 113H.
I can't wait to see those pics Keith! Go Omoto! ;)
Quote from: handi2 on July 04, 2014, 12:56:40 AM
I felt no need to open the reel. It works flawlessly and the drag stays just as smooth.
I did just come across an old Penn 113-H reel. One of the original's. The cross bars are thinner and the chrome side rings don't have dimples on the back side of the rings. They are flat. It has a marlin or sailfish on the left side plate.
It says Penn Special 4/0. Also 113-H instead of 113H.
After a 10' shark it would be good to check if everything looks good. If you feel there is no need, that's good.
Is that 113-H black? show a pic if you don't mind.
Sal its a 113-H that is the red/maroon color. It's old and will post pics.
i bought a triple,from jrock in oz.(ebay)
$293.30 including shipping
gave it a full service and got caught out.
under the ss drag washer there are 4 minature springs.
i lost one,made one, and put it back together
lost freespool,lever into freespool,switched the cam around,
still no good,ill fix it today,
maybe the spring i made.
tried a new drag grease,inox mx8 in spray can ???
i like the the reel. oil,wrench,2reel covers,schematics
lifted 22lb tin of paint on my 24kg ugly stik,no worries ::)
1/2 way down in sal,s tutorial in his photo you can see
the minature springs.
cheers
I've heard good things about this grease and have seen good corrosion inhibition, long service life, low shearing, and good tackiness. It is also rated to perform well under higher temps and pressure. However it is pretty viscous stuff, and I would also be hesitant to use it on Carbon fiber drag washers since it is a lithium-based PTFE not a Teflon-based grease. I have seen degraded CF washer material where this grease had traveled to the washers (out of bearings). It also seems to make bearings particularily sluggish due to its high viscosity. It is great for all other internal metal parts though, and really adheres to the gears well. I bit troublesome to clean off of reel parts when servicing though.
Quote from: wallacewt on July 12, 2014, 12:21:44 AM
i bought a triple,from jrock in oz.(ebay)
$293.30 including shipping
gave it a full service and got caught out.
under the ss drag washer there are 4 minature springs.
i lost one,made one, and put it back together
lost freespool,lever into freespool,switched the cam around,
still no good,ill fix it today,
maybe the spring i made.
tried a new drag grease,inox mx8 in spray can ???
i like the the reel. oil,wrench,2reel covers,schematics
lifted 22lb tin of paint on my 24kg ugly stik,no worries ::)
1/2 way down in sal,s tutorial in his photo you can see
the minature springs.
cheers
You can send omoto or Jrock to request that springs. I am sure he will send it to you for free.
thks guys
this reel had plenty of grease
when i opened it,missed a few spots.
yeah those springs under the washer,
never seen them before
still learning.
cheers
Wallace, I'm glad you're giving it a try, from what I've seen, you're going to like that reel.
well I fixed the reel
lost another small spring ::)but
the spring out of a bic lighter is the correct size
so made 2,removed the shields off the shaft bearings,
dipped in tsi301,extra grease in a few hidden spots
its hummin,
here is a nice surprise,120gm sinker,gentle
under arm side cast on the grass,50m.
I could have thrown it a lot further
live bait!
have to get some cals for the drag
and a proper reel clamp that takes a lanyard
like the makaira.
cheers
i just got my 12N and it is great. very smooth and lots of cranking power. i like the handle grip alot. very comfortable. i did the pre fishing service on the reel and wonder if sal or wallace would chime in. the large left side spool bearing is i suppose the one that take the brunt of the drag force. I wonder if we should look into an angular contact bearing or is the large bearing adequate for the amount of drag the reel produced. i also had to repack the pinion and drive bearings as all of them were inadequately greased. the freespool is quite good at anout 65 seconds.
im fishing out wide on Saturday
couple of reels to test including the triple
ill let you know max
the bearings I rely on others here
cheers
Have a great day on the water pal and be safe. Looking forward to your report ;)
Quote from: maxpowers on July 31, 2014, 04:21:50 AM
i just got my 12N and it is great. very smooth and lots of cranking power. i like the handle grip alot. very comfortable. i did the pre fishing service on the reel and wonder if sal or wallace would chime in. the large left side spool bearing is i suppose the one that take the brunt of the drag force. I wonder if we should look into an angular contact bearing or is the large bearing adequate for the amount of drag the reel produced. i also had to repack the pinion and drive bearings as all of them were inadequately greased. the freespool is quite good at anout 65 seconds.
Max, I have not fished the triple series yet, but I do believe that the larger bearing will hold up just fine, I'm glad you got yourself one.
From me playing with that reel, all I'm going to tell you is to fish it and fish it hard ...you'll be the judge of it when you're done ;).
Sal
saturday is off
sunday is on,better weather,so far ::)
Here are few pictures of the catches from a customer who bought couples of the OMOTO Triple reels in narrow spool.
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/fish_1_zpse6e8e35a.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/fish_3_zpsfcf41c28.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/fish_2_zpse90eb245.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/prochallenger/fish_4_zpsf2836ed6.jpg)
Keith,
What happened to your pictures of the Snapper and Shark? :'(
Here are a couple of pictures of some mahi mahi that I caught on the triple narrow this past weekend on a trip on the Pride out of San Diego.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 28, 2014, 02:41:03 AM
Keith,
What happened to your pictures of the Snapper and Shark? :'(
They were taken on my sons phone and now they are somewhere in outer space..??
If any member is looking for the OMOTO Triple 2 speeds in wide or narrow spool, you can get it from my online store www.mkt.com/pro-challenger-llc (http://www.mkt.com/pro-challenger-llc)
Thanks,
--Alan
Alan how much is shipping this reel to Europe !! ;)
Quote from: mario on October 19, 2014, 08:36:01 AM
Alan how much is shipping this reel to Europe !! ;)
Sorry, I am not allowed to sell to Europe per Omoto's requested.
Thanks,
Alan
@Mario
Recommend to contact one of the European dealers.
www.fishing-tackle.com.tw/Dealers.php
Saves expensive transport charges (around 40 USD) plus import duties (3.7pct) plus tax (depends of your country).
alternative have a look to the ADRENALIN reels of BALZER Germany (page 26-28)
www.balzer.de/katalog/en/index.html#/28/zoomed
The reels are build by OMOTO in same quality!
The cheapest price for the TSN-12II LH or RH found in Ebay
www.ebay.de/itm/Balzer-Adrenalin-II-2-AN-10-AN-12-TSN-12-TSN-14-L-LH-RH-8-Modelle-Multirolle-NEW-/271306037700?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
caught 10 of them this weekend on the omoto triple
Quote from: Black Pearl on June 04, 2014, 12:09:40 PM
Easy, fellas...
Everybody has his own opinion. Most Westerners don't like anything that is made in China or Taiwan. It is ok. OMOTO will need to prove to all anglers that its products stand on its own.
About tackle manufacturers are copying each other, let's put it out there that every one copies from PENN at first. On the other hand, if you open up a smaller Okuma Makaira 8, 10 or 12, and an AVET Raptor, you will see that both are almost identical inside. I have read that both companies were trying to patent the drag system function, and I don't know who got it. In this case, who copies who? Since Okuma is Taiwan based company, so most Westerners will state that Okuma is, but how do we know...
Just fish and fish hard, and keep the party going......
Taiwan 'n China, Asian countries yeah, and Taiwan's roots are chinese(except for the long, long ago aboriginal people), but I believe Taiwan's culture, business and manufacturing practices have been Japan influenced and quality products are probably their goal, to establish a strong market presence. I'm perhaps prejudiced, as my in-laws are from Taiwan. I know only what they tell me - My wife:"I will not buying car unless Japanese, and making in Japan factory"! Taiwan is a democracy, the workers are well paid, and my brother in-law was once dispatched from his boat building factory employer ( in Taiwan) to Tokyo to learn better manufacturing practices. In the 60's when I's a kid it seemed like everything from Japan was junk, especially with bendable, breakable, stripable pot metal and poor manufacturing practices. They made $ and put it into R&D, with a long range plan, and quality went way up. Unfortunately, globalism and competition have lessened said quality, but much of their stuff remains top notch. I see Taiwanese fishing products on the up-swing and now might the the time to get in on some a their products, while prices'er low and service is gettin' better.
Gfish
I sort of read through this old thread and notice many questions asked about the quality of the reels made under this name.
For about 10 years these have been sold and in use here under various brand names and mostly as a copy of the very popular Shimano 20/40 star drag, of which I understand it is a near 100% copy and some parts are even interchangeable! I have not opened one or used one so its hear say.
A fair number of them, are in use by guys fishing for Yellowtail from shore and that is a very severe test on the durability of any reel, that I will vouch for.
I have not once heard anyone complain about these reels, or heard of any breaking and those who own them are more then happy with their purchase at 2/3 of the price of the Shimano model!
Maybe this info is useful to someone.
here's the narrow version. while doing the pre-use i discovered that the 2nd drag washer is teflon. also saw that it has a provision for an anti-reverse bearing so i called Alan C. and guess what he gives me both the carbon fibre drag washer and AR bearing for free. Thanks again Alan C.!
OMOTO Triple MLBar
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I broke mine down today because it's never been serviced. I say the milling in the side plate for the anti reverse bearing. My pinion bearing was going bad.
The bearing used is the same one used in many reels. Torium/Trinidad, Penn 750ssm, and many more. The inner sleeve is what I didn't have. I found one to fit the main shaft that came from a Fin Nor Lethal 100. I also tried the taller anti reverse bearings but they were too tall. The inner sleeve has to be cut the same length as the stock brass bushing.
It all fits and works great.
Keith