Like I said previously, I like carbon fiber so much that this time I'm doing a 113h but with the reel stand too
The subject
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This one will go a lot faster to do since I now know what I'm doing :)
Beside the space bar, post, harness lug I will also do the reel stand and a handle knob
Again the post will act as the inserts. This time instead of being fully carbon fiber, I will use composite material which is glass and carbon
Made my own
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Works really well but as the tendency of forming air pockets so it as to be compress, its a must
As you can see on the pic I'm using wax paper instead of a release agent
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The space bar, the process now is starting with carbon fiber from the inside, fill with composite material, compress it, clean it
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160503_184147_zpslmipkqlr.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160503_184147_zpslmipkqlr.jpg.html)
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160503_183555_zpsyhlwf2bi.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160503_183555_zpsyhlwf2bi.jpg.html)
Reel stand, same as above except the middle post was cut leaving 3/8 on each side as inserts so I can drill hole in the center for the clamp
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160504_102909_zps6odxljxs.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160504_102909_zps6odxljxs.jpg.html)
Checking for the right curvature and enough space for the carbon fiber
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To be continued.. And hope I'm not boring you
Marc..
Boring's arse......it's just not right you a dude hanging like that....I'm missing one more 4/0 frame my CC plates I received today, but may give this a go...keep it coming brotha!!!!
John
Quote from: Marcq on May 04, 2016, 06:28:18 PM
To be continued.. And hope I'm not boring you
Marc..
Not at all! It's really cool what you are doing with these. Just wondering, have you thought of combining the two spacer bars with the base to make a 1-piece frame?
I'd really like to try this myself at some point. Any tips you want to share would be most appreciated.
Thanks guys for not being bored ;)
Quote from: BryanC on May 04, 2016, 06:33:45 PM
Just wondering, have you thought of combining the two spacer bars with the base to make a 1-piece frame?
I'd really like to try this myself at some point. Any tips you want to share would be most appreciated.
On my next project, on a squidder but want to see if the composite material I'm using is strong enough, it should, everything tied up together makes it strong. Could actually do it on this 113, but eliminating the post, keeping small inserts would be better
There's some fabrication stuff I left out, didn't think it was the best way to do thing, I'm learning on the process. But if you guys have any particular question don't hesitate
Thanks
Marc..
Thanks Marc this is very interesting.
I'm enjoying seeing what you are doing with carbon fiber, and look forward to seeing the results of your testing. great work, keep it coming
I wonder if a small vacuumed packer (like a food saver) could provide enough vacuum to pull any air pockets out during the curing stage? Just a thought. I once looked at getting set up to make composit wings for high end remote control airplanes. I bet these 'kit' airplane guys could provide some valuable pointers. I myself have no experience working with this stuff, but find it fascinating none-the-less. Keep it coming!
Small parts like this could be handled in a chamber vac easily.
Thanks guys for the encouragement, i just love fabricating stuff
Quote from: Tightlines666 on May 04, 2016, 07:55:03 PM
I wonder if a small vacuumed packer (like a food saver) could provide enough vacuum to pull any air pockets out during the curing stage? Just a thought. I once looked at getting set up to make composit wings for high end remote control airplanes. I bet these 'kit' airplane guys could provide some valuable pointers. I myself have no experience working with this stuff, but find it fascinating none-the-less. Keep it coming!
Thought about a vacuum but I would need a perfect mold, and you can only have that when the part is finished and tested and made into a mold, that's a long process, the reel is my mold, and trying to keep waste to a minimum and plus I don't need much tooling
That's basically what you need
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160504_133052_zpsj5mom24q.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160504_133052_zpsj5mom24q.jpg.html)
Yeah those airplane guys :D :D I made with a friend of mine that was in the aircraft industry at that time(1987) a F16 from a kit, six feet long, we added retractable landing gear but it added to much weight and crashed two times, like in the movies :D :D, first time I used epoxy
Now I have this urge to do the side plate too, like a caged 113h 8)
Marc..
Great stuff Marcq!
Could you use an Accurate or Tib frame to shape a mold?
Thanks.
Steve
Looking good Marc! I played with some CF for handles and it looks really nice. Not the least bit boring, so keep it rolling!
....................Lou
Quote from: swill88 on May 04, 2016, 08:39:19 PM
Great stuff Marcq!
Could you use an Accurate or Tib frame to shape a mold?
Thanks.
Steve
Yes you could, but would need special tooling for the insert. Actually you cant , to many sharp corners and you cant really inject it
Marc..
Going to make 4 of those ring, part 1 for the plate
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Marc..
Quote from: Marcq on May 04, 2016, 08:33:26 PM
Thanks guys for the encouragement, i just love fabricating stuff
Quote from: Tightlines666 on May 04, 2016, 07:55:03 PM
I wonder if a small vacuumed packer (like a food saver) could provide enough vacuum to pull any air pockets out during the curing stage? Just a thought. I once looked at getting set up to make composit wings for high end remote control airplanes. I bet these 'kit' airplane guys could provide some valuable pointers. I myself have no experience working with this stuff, but find it fascinating none-the-less. Keep it coming!
......
Now I have this urge to do the side plate too, like a caged 113h 8)
Marc..
Right.. why stop there... sideplates.. full frame.. handle arm... now that would be sweet. Quite honestly I am surprised no major reel manufacturer has ventured into the realm of composites, and ceramics... these materials hold promise IMHO.
John
Quote from: Tightlines666 on May 04, 2016, 09:40:13 PM
Quite honestly I am surprised no major reel manufacturer has ventured into the realm of composites, and ceramics... these materials hold promise IMHO.
John
Probably cost, graphite is cheaper but the look is boring. I would not be surprise if reel manufacturer eventually explore that route, carbon fiber is becoming affordable
Marc..
I think the spacer bars would be cool on any reel. It would make a post reel much stronger. You might be in production one day ;D
Quote from: handi2 on May 04, 2016, 11:14:00 PM
I think the spacer bars would be cool on any reel. It would make a post reel much stronger. You might be in production one day ;D
:D :D Cost me $ 25 for the 114 space bar but 50 hours of time ;)
Only kidding, still just an exiting hobby
Would be cool to create your own reel 8)
Marc..
many custom builders here.
CF custom parts are always eye catching
on a 113h I would prefer a half frame made of CF than the current aluminiun Tib frames, just for the look
Just incase you wanna splurge on a carbon knob and don't feel like making your own....http://www.ebay.com/itm/321833770805?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Amazing work man, that 113h is one of a kind.
Keep the details coming Marq, very interested in your processes here. So far, this is great work you're showing.
Quote from: Yogi_fish808 on May 05, 2016, 06:33:33 AM
Just incase you wanna splurge on a carbon knob and don't feel like making your own....http://www.ebay.com/itm/321833770805?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Amazing work man, that 113h is one of a kind.
At that price I'm going to make my own for sure :o
Marc..
Quote from: Rothmar2 on May 05, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
Keep the details coming Marq, very interested in your processes here. So far, this is great work you're showing.
Unfortunately I need to step away from the project for a bit
Stay tuned
Thanks
Marc..
Back at it 8)
Space bar and reel seat are coming along nicely
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160523_162159_zpslrykegcu.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160523_162159_zpslrykegcu.jpg.html)
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160523_215556_zpsmuj4wzl0.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160523_215556_zpsmuj4wzl0.jpg.html)
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160524_123308_zpsi45t4s6t.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160524_123308_zpsi45t4s6t.jpg.html)
Also started the non handle side plate
Will not go that route for the other side plate
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(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160519_152400_zpswghxqogv.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160519_152400_zpswghxqogv.jpg.html)
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160524_123010_zpsnjdeyeh8.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160524_123010_zpsnjdeyeh8.jpg.html)
To be continued
Marc..
Dang son....hence the phrase "You gotta want it"....
Quote from: thorhammer on May 25, 2016, 01:37:17 AM
Dang son....hence the phrase "You gotta want it"....
:D :D Yeah!!
Marc..
That's what Daron told me about fishing stand-up with 14/0...lol
Stand up with a 14/0 !
Yikes, I think maybe with a full harness and aircraft cable guy wires staked to the ground!
Continuing..
Nothing goes to waste, will be using making parts inside the reel, like standoff
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160525_160229_zps3shxjosw.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160525_160229_zps3shxjosw.jpg.html)
Not quite thick enough, maybe two layers of carbon on the ring so the spool goes inside a bit more. I'm not using a adjustment type bearing
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160526_153831_zpsjwnhladw.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160526_153831_zpsjwnhladw.jpg.html)
Notice how loose the bearing is in the plate, it's for a purpose, not having precision tool, I needed a way to adjust the spool center, with the small plate on the right, it fits the bearing perfect, I will be able to achieve that and it will be glued to the plate at the end
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160526_152753_zpsbhbnykuw.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160526_152753_zpsbhbnykuw.jpg.html)
I might change the shape of the plates, probably no sharp corners
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Marc..
Wow those are awesome, love following your work here.
Quote from: David Hall on May 27, 2016, 02:11:17 AM
Wow those are awesome, love following your work here.
Thanks David
Wrapping the post
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Installing SS T-nut for the reel clamp
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(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160527_111922_zpswdxvw9q9.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160527_111922_zpswdxvw9q9.jpg.html)
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Marc..
Very interesting. Dumb question....isn't carbon fibre brittle if it twists? Prone to lateral cracks?
I have no idea.
But I sure think it looks nice.
Quote from: Rancanfish on May 27, 2016, 07:16:21 PM
Very interesting. Dumb question....isn't carbon fibre brittle if it twists? Prone to lateral cracks?
I have no idea.
But I sure think it looks nice.
Without the resin/epoxy it's not brittle but with resin with a thickness of 0.023(a credit card is 0.031), it will break quite easy because of its rigidness. You need a very good pair of scissors to cut the fabric, easier with the resin in it
I like it because of the lightness of it, the non handle side CF plate is so far less then half the weight of the original Penn plate with the rings
I'm a noob at it, did a lot a fiber glass on boats but this is a first for me
Thanks
Marc..
Keep it coming Marq. Have started on a rod clamp inspired by what you're doing here. Have laid up a polyester/fibreglass core slab, and machined back on the mini-lathe. Will then wrap the finished piece with carbon fibre and epoxy. Will post it up on the 500 thread what I have done so far. Won't get it completed until next time home, off to work Monday.
Quote from: Rothmar2 on May 28, 2016, 05:21:09 AM
Keep it coming Marq. Have started on a rod clamp inspired by what you're doing here. Have laid up a polyester/fibreglass core slab, and machined back on the mini-lathe. Will then wrap the finished piece with carbon fibre and epoxy. Will post it up on the 500 thread what I have done so far. Won't get it completed until next time home, off to work Monday.
Cool!! Looking forward to it 8)
Marc..
Going to start the handle side plate soon. I'm going to go that route for the biggest flat part like the plate itself, it will save me some time and the mess . 4x4 3.1mm
http://www.protechcomposites.com/3-1mm-plates/
Marc..
Marc - I have to bump this and ask for an update...too cool not too 8)
Marc has been quiet for a month now, I'm hoping he's just too busy working on this awesome project and will come out with a bang soon.
Sal
Yeah bump and nudge from me too, would love to see more of this project. I have been inspired already.
Marcq hasn't posted since Aug 1, that was almost 5 months ago. I hope everything is OK.
Sid
Quote from: sdlehr on December 28, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
Marcq hasn't posted since Aug 1, that was almost 5 months ago. I hope everything is OK.
Sid
Sid, Marcq Last Active: November 17, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
Sal
Yup. We're both right. But seeing as he's logged in more recently than what I had thought makes me a little less concerned. Thanks.
Sid
Thanks Marcq, for sharing so much finer details, on this post, you have to be commended for sharing as you did, we haven't heard from you for some time, hope your in good health, cheers Don
Sorry for the late reply guys, injured myself (falling apart it seems), being busy, I'm back 100 percent
Stay tuned
Marc..
Damn!! Didn't realize it's been such a long time ???
I feel so much better yeah!!
Here's the latest
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Now I don't feel like doing the right side plate, I feel like putting a black aluminum side plate for now. The left side plate will be glued to the space bar and the reel seat like a cage
Marc..
Marc..
Great to see this one up and running again. Keep it coming Marcq.
Have a Torium handle conversion inspired from this thread, that I was going to share, but after the recent debacle with Photobucket, don't know if I can be bothered. Especially now some of my other threads are practically useless, and I just don't have the time or know-how to shift the photo-hosting and update the links.
But please keep this one alive.
This thread had slipped off of my radar, good to see you working on it again Marc - it's inspiring stuff. I'm looking forward to further developments.
Mike
Quote from: mhc on July 04, 2017, 09:49:46 AM
This thread had slipped off of my radar, good to see you working on it again Marc - it's inspiring stuff. I'm looking forward to further developments.
Mike
X2
X3.... but what kind of glue? Do you use the same epoxy?
-steve
Thanks guys
Quote from: oc1 on July 05, 2017, 08:15:31 AM
X3.... but what kind of glue? Do you use the same epoxy?
-steve
Yes, same epoxy Steve
Thanks, Marc
Marc,
Once you are done, could you try a 3/0 handle side plate that is designed to fit a jigmaster bridge??? This way we could put a black pearl double dog bridge into a 3/0 with no grinding.....
This could be the next leap right here...
Eugene
what you need is a small autoclave