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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Shimano => Topic started by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 06:01:57 PM

Title: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 06:01:57 PM
i need a little input from anyone on how to properly put back in the anti reverse cam spring ..part 3516 on this aero stradic 4000 reel I've owned new since 1996..looks like a slot in anti reverse part 3517 for spring to go in but i just can't seem to get it to go back in...anti reverse working perfectly but lever flops back and forth freely..any tips would be appreciated..Joe
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: alantani on December 28, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
crud.  i just don't work on enough of these.  hopefully someone here can.  more photo might be helpful as well.   :-\
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 07:43:22 PM
Took apart last February...just for cleaning..ended up dissembling whole reel for 2 springs it needed..not the one I can't get back in..like my old penn spinners ..a lot easier..hope someone can help .. no more shimano  take apart for me..lot of small parts
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: foakes on December 28, 2020, 07:52:48 PM
Gotta love Tupperware plastic reels with 3 times as many parts as necessary to catch a fish — on top of that, the parts are generally discontinued after 2 or 3 years.  Even on expensive reels like Shimano!

I stopped working on these a few years ago —

Don't need the aggravation...

Best, Fred
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: philaroman on December 28, 2020, 09:18:27 PM
know these well -- at a quick glance, looks like FB reel, FD box, blurred schem.
verify reel/box/schem match up & I'll look closer, tonight
https://www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/shimano-reel-schematics/shimano-stradic-schematics/#gsc.tab=0
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 09:46:30 PM
By schematics looks like fb..single post behind worm gear ..I have schematics also ..just can't get that spring for cam lever in position for lever to snap in and out..lost a more hair than I needed to on a reel..had plenty before going non penn..
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 09:54:58 PM
Actually thinking about it now..got it in late 80s early 90s..forgot I'm getting old..
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 10:41:39 PM
took back apart photos of spring on reel foot..
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 10:45:02 PM
don't know how to take photos correct i guess..
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: handi2 on December 28, 2020, 10:56:40 PM
You will have to pull the eccentric all the way out. You will find a small hole in it for bent leg of the spring. The other end of the spring tucks into the corner of the body. It's one of those that you have to turn and push the eccentric back into place.

Keith

Let me start over. The spring goes in first with one leg in a hole in the body right in the corner. Then you take the eccentric shaft down back in the reel while catching the other leg of the spring. Its still a push and turn process to get it back in.
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 11:03:30 PM
found no hole ..just a slot..really don't want to take back apart to take picture..
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: handi2 on December 28, 2020, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: joe k on December 28, 2020, 11:03:30 PM
found no hole ..just a slot..really don't want to take back apart to take picture..

Yes it's a slot in the pot metal part. It's very similar to a Penn spinner eccentric but harder to do with your reel.
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
ok ...gonna give it another try ...let ya all know if its a success story..spent way to much time on this reel
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: philaroman on December 28, 2020, 11:27:32 PM
never mind...  I rushed...  you seem to be OK, clerically: '96 4000FD
FB & 3versions of FD are almost same -- not even sure which I have

been a while, but as I recall, best to deal w/ PITA cam/spring, FIRST (empty gearbox)
there's "the maneuver" involved -- you feel like an idiot 'til you figure it out, then feel like an idiot 'cause it was easy  ::)
you may need to undo/redo The Maneuver to get the main in, but learn it w/ minimal parts in the way

you hold the cam LH inside gearbox, sticking out a bit on top
twist the cam however you need, to get the spring into correct holes regardless of incorrect position
then hold spring ends in correct holes w/ R thumb, press down & rotate (clockwise?)
everything should pop in place WITHOUT effort/force/scraping, then you secure it w/ switch on bottom



Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 28, 2020, 11:44:00 PM
im ultrasonic cleaning cam again .. as we speak ..slot no hole..trying purple power now for short period..did mineral spirits in if first  clean..
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: joe k on December 29, 2020, 02:27:44 AM
Thanks to all for help...Philaroman ..your right feel l pretty dumbfounded now..took reel reel totally apart last February..just a box of reel parts..soon as you message eccentric LH...came to me..got another cleaning anyways...bearings ,new springs,  accept for one giving me hard time...runs like new..will stick with my old penn spinners,,Joe
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: Rancanfish on December 29, 2020, 07:25:01 AM
Two suggestions, keep your Stradics and just lay down on your right side to take your pics.   ;D

I own at least twenty different Penns, not a single one is a spinner.
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: philaroman on December 29, 2020, 08:09:01 AM
that's the one I'm thinking of turning into a Dunkin'Stradic
easier to inspect than modern instant A/R and graphite frame won't corrode
have solid bronze bushings for main gear & maybe few other places

if you ever need a donor reel, Symetre 4000FB/FD is also same reel w/
cheaper handle; 1 less BB; plastic bottom cover
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: philaroman on December 29, 2020, 08:25:06 AM
BTW, those grey inlays in the frame are NOT graphite!!!
purely cosmetic cheap plastic that quickly reacts to mere accidental splash of acetone (white frame is unaffected)
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: Rancanfish on December 29, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
Man I hope you are starting a book Roman.  All your Shimano knowledge is gold.  You drop nuggets all the time.  Thanks for contributing.
Title: Re: shimano stradic 4000 help..
Post by: philaroman on December 30, 2020, 01:18:46 AM
thanks, I'm more impressed w/ the guys that know multiple generations of umpteen brands
I just kept an eye on an extra-partsy/fiddly Bike Shop  ;D  during/around an interesting decade
wish I knew concurrent Daiwa's as well -- THERE MUST BE A HELICAL EX-CENTER BRONZE MAIN, FOR LESS THAN A KIDNEY!!!