Parts #RD1023 Handle Lock Screw, handle lock washer#RD1008 and handle lock retainer#RD1007
Or are there aftermarket parts I'm unaware of?
is this late-80's HUGE 500-size, or
mid-90's-to-present tiny 500-size?
(not that old -- just boxy-looking)
personal reel, or a job?
"make it all that it can be", OR just get it working?
Quote from: philaroman on January 11, 2021, 06:43:14 AM
is this late-80's HUGE 500-size, or
mid-90's-to-present tiny 500-size?
(not that old -- just boxy-looking)
personal reel, or a job?
"make it all that it can be", OR just get it working?
I believe it is the mid 90's smaller 500.
I just want to connect the handle, or "upgrade" it if getting NOS/OEM parts isn't possible.
I also have a SpeedMaster 6000SM which I WOULD be interested in turning that into a monster... it already feels insane compared to say... my 706z or something similar in size.
(//)
absolutely ANY Shimano handle screw assembly w/ same general look (and many others w/ separate cap) up to 4000 & most 5000 will work
your part #'s are obsolete, simply because they have not made that specific flavor of plastic in that shade of black, for a while ;D
I have stuff from 3-BB Spirex 500F/FA (later generation of "boxy little 500") that should all fit: tiny double-paddle handle w/ nut/screw, metal spool,
prob. more BB's (not sure which/where in older design -- are your main nylon bushings same size as pinion bearing?)
off hand, for big reel, have a pile of pristine Sustain 6000FA single-shielded main/pinion bearings... maybe much more
can't find your schem... is there something else on reel -- Triton, Bantam, etc.?
is it a Custom-X: https://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/Custom/SHIMANO%20CUSTOM%20X%20SPEEDMASTER%20CX6000SM%2887-18%29.pdf (https://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/Custom/SHIMANO%20CUSTOM%20X%20SPEEDMASTER%20CX6000SM%2887-18%29.pdf)
almost certain, but check: are the pinion/main bearings/bushings all same dimensions?
(ignore any little ears/tabs on plastic bushings)
Quote from: philaroman on January 11, 2021, 06:37:45 PM
is it a Custom-X: https://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/Custom/SHIMANO%20CUSTOM%20X%20SPEEDMASTER%20CX6000SM%2887-18%29.pdf (https://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/Custom/SHIMANO%20CUSTOM%20X%20SPEEDMASTER%20CX6000SM%2887-18%29.pdf)
almost certain, but check: are the pinion/main bearings/bushings all same dimensions?
(ignore any little ears/tabs on plastic bushings)
Im not sure, ill have to check on the bearings but it is a custom-x, sorry!!
I havent taken either apart yet as I picked them up yesterday.
don't be sorry... Shimano's naming/numbering was seriously convoluted, then even worse than now
Speed Master was a model name AND a feature name slapped onto other model names
looks like original 3-digit Baitrunner without the Baitrunner feature ;D
(if spool is metal -- worth more as parts source, than working reel)
VERY early use of 4-digit models is confusing, as to size
my Baitrunner 450 is bigger than Sustain 6000FA; BB's & bling swap over nicely (plenty extras)
I don't play w/ bigger size, much -- not sure where there's a "parts caliber jump"
if yours is 650-size, my toys may not be as useful
Quote from: philaroman on January 11, 2021, 10:05:35 PM
don't be sorry... Shimano's naming/numbering was seriously convoluted, then even worse than now
Speed Master was a model name AND a feature name slapped onto other model names
looks like original 3-digit Baitrunner without the Baitrunner feature ;D
(if spool is metal -- worth more as parts source, than working reel; VERY early use of 4-digit models is confusing, as to size)
my Baitrunner 450 is bigger than modern Sustain 6000FA (BB's & bling swap over nicely) -- I don't play w/ bigger size, much
if yours is 650-size, my toys may not be as useful -- not sure where there's a "parts caliber jump"
Where would I be looking on the reel to figure out the sizing? I assume, to take off the spool and there should be some markings?
I edited... might be clearer
just compare line capacities to Baitrunner 450 & 650
Quote from: philaroman on January 11, 2021, 10:46:47 PM
I edited... might be clearer
just compare line capacities to Baitrunner 450 & 650
I get it, compare the capacity, but where do i find that info? Brand new to shimano reels
450 is 14/295; 17/250; 25/160
650 is 20/270; 25/230; 30/185
Quote from: philaroman on January 11, 2021, 11:58:15 PM
450 is 14/295; 17/250; 25/160
650 is 20/270; 25/230; 30/185
yup... Baitrunner 450 without the Baitrunner... AX-400/500 is also very similar
add 1 BB to main gear -- not much else to improve easily; not really worth improving, if it ain't easy
mine got more BB's AND bling, only because it's a Baitrunner -- wouldn't bother, otherwise
I can't seem to find "MLZ" in the Reelschmatics catalog.
The bolt for the handle fit, just not the cap. woot woot.
Kind of sad though, I like the MLZ and wanted the ultralite for some of my rods.
Probably will put it back and find another donor.
Cool knowledge though.
sorry, was waiting for Custom-X photo and forgot about you
schematics for MLZ are under miscellaneous (odd short-lived models):
https://www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/shimano-reel-schematics/shimano-misc-schematics/#gsc.tab=0 (https://www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/shimano-reel-schematics/shimano-misc-schematics/#gsc.tab=0)
don't know why you "like the MLZ and wanted the ultralite"... still have most parts for a clean MLX-20
heavy, clunky ML/M with bad drag, IMO -- I parted it out just for the brass bushings & some A/R parts
could prob. combine it w/ your MLZ, for a nice 3-bearing gearbox/body, but spool/drag design inherently SUCKS!
also, don't know why you thought, "I believe it is the mid 90's smaller 500", about the above beast -- schematics say '88:
https://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/FX%20Series/SHIMANO%20FXB500%2888-34%29.pdf (https://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/FX%20Series/SHIMANO%20FXB500%2888-34%29.pdf)
ignore everything I said about the handle screw!!! that's for newer, smaller reels
get some photos of FX-B next to Custom-X showing side w/ screw/cap
also, w/ external parts removed & pref. sideplates off to show BB/bushing cavity
FX-B has 35-y-o plastic bushings on main gear (1 on Custom-X, prob. same size)
should be replaced w/ bearings for strength & gear alignment/longevity, even more so than smoothness
the shematics list of the FX series
www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/shimano-reel-schematics/shimano-fx-series-schematics/#gsc.tab=0
Quote from: philaroman on January 15, 2021, 10:50:35 PM
sorry, was waiting for Custom-X photo and forgot about you
Its okay, lots of people forget about me. Parents left me in a walmart for 3 days on accident as a kid.
Quote from: philaroman on January 15, 2021, 10:50:35 PM
schematics for MLZ are under miscellaneous (odd short-lived models):
https://www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/shimano-reel-schematics/shimano-misc-schematics/#gsc.tab=0 (https://www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/shimano-reel-schematics/shimano-misc-schematics/#gsc.tab=0)
don't know why you "like the MLZ and wanted the ultralite"... still have most parts for a clean MLX-20
heavy, clunky ML/M with bad drag, IMO -- I parted it out just for the brass bushings & some A/R parts
could prob. combine it w/ your MLZ, for a nice 3-bearing gearbox/body, but spool/drag design inherently SUCKS!
I just like the fact that it its tiny. I haven't used it so I don't know how it is out in the reel world... haha I just need some smaller cap. reels
Quote from: philaroman on January 15, 2021, 10:50:35 PM
also, don't know why you thought, "I believe it is the mid 90's smaller 500", about the above beast -- schematics say '88:
Well, to me, it isn't a "large" reel by any means, so I figured it couldn't be that... like I said before, I'm very new to Shimano reels. .... but as I lay these two reels side by side they are almost the same size... so this guy is big. .. my bad.
I will take the additional photos shortly, my phone is nearly dead so I'm charging it. *sigh*
Here is the Custom with the side plate off.
I hope this is what you wanted to see.. if not I will tear it apart again.