Took my Vanford apart today to find the source of rubbing noise I have been hearing. Tried to keep the A/R clutch from coming apart.That didnt work. So I put it back together and the clutch only was working intermittently. Fast forward an hour and change I finally thought i got it working right after cleaning the clutch with rubbing alcohol.Then I put the whole reel back together. Now its back to intermittent stopping and the AR clutch is kicking in when I reel forward trying to take up line instead of reverse.
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Logan from Drearie Erie
Ya got a Model number where we can look at the schematic as it looks like there are at least 14 differet Vanford Shimano's .
I completely forgot the model number. Sorry about that. Its the Vanford 2500HG
All I can find so far is Vanford 2500 SHG does it look anything like this Schemaic?
Looks like the 2500hg. Only difference i can find on the schematic is the drag stack. Which looks to be a couple washers smaller in the 2500shg.
Sorry for the poor quality photo
From what I can see this is the model Blown up and items 18732,19883,18735,and 19866are your Roller Clutch parts ? You can enlarge this even more by left clicking on the image then once again .
Thanks. Im not sure why but everytime so far today when I put the AR back together it reels where forward is reverse and engages the AR as the reel is trying to take in slack line. Im guessing something is backwards but Im just not sure.
In old Auto transmissions this type of oneway clutch was called a Sprag and if installed wrong wou;d cause a sundry of Problems ...lol
Main thing to do is situate those rollers all the same as in sanwitch sping roller ,spring roller spring roller and so forth so that when you attempt to turn the center it will only turn in one direction .
You may just have it in upside down but try an align everything in the order to get to only move in one dierection and make that direction the anti way you want it to go .
I looked at one of those today at our little tackle shop. What do you think of it?
Could you have put one or more of the springs in backwards ?
Are you sure you have all the spring/wavy washers in place ?
Can't really tell from your photo but it looks like you have 3 or 4 missing ?
Dang schematic of course does not even show them . ???
Honestly i've fished with it twice before this. I just kept hearing a rubbing/shuffling sound that was bugging me.... So i took it apart. I like the reel a lot. Ive paired it with a 7'1 st croix victory and its under 10oz with line. I do think the 2500 Stradic FL I have is smoother but this is about an ounce or so lighter. Might not seem like much to most folks but I have a reconstructed arm so every bit of weight I can save while fishing helps.
All the spring are in the picture. I tried switching them up again and it did the same thing. Going to keep trying.
Mos likely you need to turn the thing over as it is working backwards me thinks.
only know the old grey ones w/ 5-6 screws that could be removed as a unit -- not hands-on familiar w/ these
assuming that's reassembled correctly, try flipping the big steel bushing in the center (RD19899)
old ones were "dual-diameter" & went in fat side up -- otherwise, A/R was messed up somewhat like you describe
AND!!! they were sold w/ ARB as set, had no individual part# & weren't even shown on the schematic, at all
Quote from: Wompus Cat on August 21, 2021, 12:09:33 AM
Mos likely you need to turn the thing over as it is working backwards me thinks.
That picture was just showing what the inside looked like.
(https://alantani.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33774.0;attach=103235;image)
If it looks the same on the other side then flip it over like a coin and install it .
Should work .
Finally figured it out. I was just about to give up and walk over to FishUSA in the AM and ask thr counter guys working if they have dealt with it before. Luckily saved me the short walk. If you push the each spring counterclockwise side and slide the cylinders in to the left of the spring it will work. You just have to be patient and hope everything is super clean and sitting just perfect.
Thanks to everyone who commented.
I really appreciate it.
Logan
The side you see in the picture is the bottom that goes down and has a cover you press in which is barely pressed in. The top side not seen has a labyrinth system you put a similar piece on top of to help keep water out. Significantly different from the older Grey AR.
Quote from: Logan7755 on August 21, 2021, 02:41:20 AM
The side you see in the picture is the bottom that goes down and has a cover you press in which is barely pressed in. The top side not seen has a labyrinth system you put a similar piece on top of to help keep water out. Significantly different from the older Grey AR.
Could not see the Labyrinth in the Schematic .But it sure looked like you could just flip it over then the spring/roller /roller/spring /roller would be working in the opposite direction and what was needed to get it working again .
Glad you figured it out .I may be tearing one down soon and can refer to this as well as others can in the future
Could not see the Labyrinth in the Schematic .But it sure looked like you could just flip it over then the spring/roller /roller/spring /roller would be working in the opposite direction and what was needed to get it working again .
Glad you figured it out .I may be tearing one down soon and can refer to this as well as others can in the future
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Tomorrow when I have some free time I will open up the reel and take a few pictures of the labyrinth system for future reference. The key is to have the reel upside down when you remove and reinstall the AR. I incorrectly thought it had to be removed to open the side plate. I now know it doesn't need to be removed. Thank you again for your help.
Interesting name for a shimano. Didn't all their spinners have "S" names?
It looks very similar to the AR in my spheros, in which case I believe you yave the rollers on the rong side of the spring. I'm afraid to say something drastic like that if I'm wrong but given your description its seeming possible
Bump!
I am intensely curious what the outcome of all this is. Did you get it back up and running?
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on September 07, 2021, 12:27:57 PM
Bump!
I am intensely curious what the outcome of all this is. Did you get it back up and running?
Go to the top post on this page where he says he got it working .
He had something in upside down or the springs in wrong but said he had it working and was gonna show us that the Sprag would only go in one way where I suspected he merely had it upside down since it was working Bass Ackwards . He must be busy fishing with it an has no time to post the afore mentioned pics of the Labyrinth he called it .
Untill I see this Labyrinth I am still thinking he just had it upside down .
Quote from: Wompus Cat on September 07, 2021, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on September 07, 2021, 12:27:57 PM
Bump!
I am intensely curious what the outcome of all this is. Did you get it back up and running?
Go to the top post on this page where he says he got it working .
He had something in upside down or the springs in wrong but said he had it working and was gonna show us that the Sprag would only go in one way where I suspected he merely had it upside down since it was working Bass Ackwards . He must be busy fishing with it an has no time to post the afore mentioned pics of the Labyrinth he called it .
Untill I see this Labyrinth I am still thinking he just had it upside down .
Ok then, clearly I missed that. In fact it was answered before I commented. I apparently need more coffee. But I was right about the problem so that's cool i guess.
QuoteOk then, clearly I missed that. In fact it was answered before I commented. I apparently need more coffee. But I was right about the problem so that's cool i guess.
Someone else on page one was Right about the problem too I think ;D
Still think the thing was in upside down....lol
You can't install the Shimano ARs upside down. They have posts on the underside that locate them on the front face of the body of the reel.
You can see them at the 12 and 6 positions of this image:
(https://alantani.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33774.0;attach=103235;image)
It was the springs being installed on the wrong side of the rollers.
Quote from: boon on September 08, 2021, 12:30:28 AM
You can't install the Shimano ARs upside down. They have posts on the underside that locate them on the front face of the body of the reel.
You can see them at the 12 and 6 positions of this image:
(https://alantani.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33774.0;attach=103235;image)
It was the springs being installed on the wrong side of the rollers.
Still would like to see the other side as we seen this one already . It don't make any diff as it is still a sprag and to work properly the thing has to be assembled to lock up in the right direction .
I have a Vanford 4000 that use use surf fishing with 12lb. Works fine but not any better than the Johnny Morris reels I got from Bass Pro. Used it about 15 times so far, I just finished a new rod for it, I'll see if I like it better on the new one. No way I'm taking it apart, I Added some grease when I got it and rinse it after every session, hopefully it will hold up.